Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

[biker]

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Then I saw a Lamb who appeared to have been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
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If they are not separate, how could Jesus as the Lamb take the scroll out of the right hand of the Father who is sitting on the throne?

another example would be that, after Jesus was baptized and came up out of the water, the sky parted and the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove, landed on Him and the voice of the Father from heaven said, "This is My Son whom I love. With you I am well pleased." This is another scripture which demonstrates that the Father and the Son are individual beings. The same example can be found when Jesus was on the mountain where after He was transfigured, where a cloud enveloped them and said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Listen to Him!” These verses show individuality.

When Jesus referred to himself as the Son of God, the Jews picked up stones to stone Him because by saying this the Jews said that He was making himself equal with God.

There are many, many more examples that I could list. But these are just something to consider.

And in the first portion of Revelation, it was Yeshua sitting on the Throne. And the slain lamb with 7 horns was not physically Yeshua, it was a Spiritual representation of the 7 Spirits of God and the price that was paid (hence the image of being slain). If you think Jesus is walking around with 7 horns I would be interested in that viewpoint. The entire Book of Revelation is from a Spiritual viewpoint. From the Beasts with many eyes worshipping God all of the time, to the symbolism of the Horse Riders, the Angels, the Trumpets, the whore, the Beast, the false prophet, the dragon, Babylon, the 7 Churches of Asia Minor. It's all Spiritual symbolism.


And Jesus said Before Abraham was "I AM!" In Exodus during the Burning Bush event, Jesus (in the Hebrew) tells Moses:

6 And He said, "I am ELOHIM of your father, ELOHIM of Abraham, ELOHIM of Isaac, and ELOHIM of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward ELOHIM.

ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:

Jesus said He was Elohim.

You say, that is impossible Elohim is plural!

ONLY IN ENGLISH TRANSLATION is it plural!

But in Hebrew/Aramaic/Yiddish it is SINGULAR!

Elohim in Hebrew script: the letters are, right-to-left:, aleph-lamed-he-yud-mem. Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים [ʔɛloːˈhim]) is a word in the Hebrew Bible, which refers to a single deity, particularly the Jewish God.

So Jesus told the Pharisees He was the God Moses spoke to and Moses knew as "I AM!"

The Jews already believe if you were the Elect that you were SONS and DAUGHTERS of GOD!

 

[Benadam]

Which means, they are not existing from same Beginning Point because One existed to Begat the Son to begat the Union of their Holy Spirit

Not so, the Father is the origin but the procession has no beginning or end. The Father always was begetting the Son and the Holy Spirit has always proceeded from them.

 

[biker]

I’m amazed the amount of anti-God posts are allowed to go without punishment on a CHRISTian forum. To deny the Trinity is to deny Christianity, imo.

I can't believe over an English version of the Bible, you think you are wiser and know God better than the Hebrews did, or the Church Fathers, whom 2 were literal DISCIPLES of the Apostle John (the Beloved)!

 

[biker]

Not so, the Father is the origin but the procession has no beginning or end. The Father always was begetting the Son and the Holy Spirit has always proceeded from them.

And still, there is an order to what you are stating. 1 before 1 before the other.

 

[biker]

I’m amazed the amount of anti-God posts are allowed to go without punishment on a CHRISTian forum. To deny the Trinity is to deny Christianity, imo.

Christian Forum?

Maybe you should research why the NSA is all over this website!

 

[biker]

BTW, look up the 325 AD Nicene Creed!
It is Trinitarian, which I follow.
I just don't follow the mumbo jumbo the English Bible claims!

 

[biker]

325 AD Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[biker]

325 AD Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

You know why this version is pure?

At most, it's one translation (Hebrew/Aramaic to Greek)!

It's not from Hebrew/Aramaic to Greek to Latin Vulgate or eventually to the English mumbo jumbo!

 

[biker]

I’m amazed the amount of anti-God posts are allowed to go without punishment on a CHRISTian forum. To deny the Trinity is to deny Christianity, imo.

Some interested people are reading.

Are you claiming, if someone DOES NOT FOLLOW THE VIEW YOU BELIEVE IN, THEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM THIS WEBSITE?

 

[biker]

I’m amazed the amount of anti-God posts are allowed to go without punishment on a CHRISTian forum. To deny the Trinity is to deny Christianity, imo.

ARE YOU CLAIMING, MEMBERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY NOT BEING MODERN DAY TRINITARIANS?

ARE YOU CLAIMING, THAT ANYONE WHO ACCEPTS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR, IS NOT ACTUALLY SAVED IF THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MODERN DAY TRINITY?

YOUR POST MAKES IT SEEM LIKE MAYBE "YOU, YOURSELF" HAVE HAD PEOPLE REMOVED FROM THIS WEBSITE!

TELL ME SOMETHING MR./MRS. SACKCLOTH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS MEMBER BEING REMOVED?
keithr
Banned

 

[biker]

I have read keithr, now Banned, posts.
Personally, I do not agree with much of what he added, but I do not see why he was Banned. I am not the only one who cannot understand why he was Banned. So tell me, so we all can understand why he was Banned?

Personally, for the reason why this website is being monitored, I find it amazing you would Ban anyone!

 

[biker]

I shall return, one of my job details, outside monitoring those detained being questioned, I evaluate the mental awareness of Officers who were involved in weapon discharge.

But I would like to know why
keithr
Banned
was Banned?

 

[biker]

I did some quick research and just as I had already known, there is not 1 example of where Christ, His Disciples, or anyone of importance throughout the New Testament that BANNED/KICKED OUT people who opposed their views. I did see where they opened up and allowed them in deeper.

So I have concluded, outside of why I already am a trinity Believer based upon the 325 AD Nicene Creed, I am not drawn to the Modern Day Trinity Idealism because YOU ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!

There literally IS NO EXAMPLE FROM YOU that resembles Christ at all!

My only regret, is that I cannot say this TO YOUR FACE AND WATCH YOUR EXPRESSIONS!

 

[biker]

I don't know what god you are serving, because the only god your example reflects is that of SATAN!

 

[biker]

Just WHO do YOU think YOU ARE banning family members of Yeshua?

 

[biker]

If I end up getting any say, I vote for NSA to take YOU DOWN!

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

ARE YOU CLAIMING, MEMBERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY NOT BEING MODERN DAY TRINITARIANS?

ARE YOU CLAIMING, THAT ANYONE WHO ACCEPTS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR, IS NOT ACTUALLY SAVED IF THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MODERN DAY TRINITY?

YOUR POST MAKES IT SEEM LIKE MAYBE "YOU, YOURSELF" HAVE HAD PEOPLE REMOVED FROM THIS WEBSITE!

TELL ME SOMETHING MR./MRS. SACKCLOTH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS MEMBER BEING REMOVED?
keithr
Banned

Never conversed with that person. But the Nicene Creed is something I hold to as well. It is Trinitarian to the core. And it is soaked in biblical truth.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Some interested people are reading.

Are you claiming, if someone DOES NOT FOLLOW THE VIEW YOU BELIEVE IN, THEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM THIS WEBSITE?

Yes. Anti-Trinity doctrine is heresy and does not belong on this forum. Clear enough for you bruh?

 

[biker]

Yes. Anti-Trinity doctrine is heresy and does not belong on this forum. Clear enough for you bruh?

But going by assumptions and making up your own definitions are not Heresy?

Where is the term God the Son located?
Where is the term God the Holy Spirit located at?
Where is the term Persons describing the Godhead at?

The Nicene Creed does not use any of these and yet it is still Triune based.

If someone cannot question where you are making up these terms from, why should they hold onto man made idealisms that seem to be what you are doing?

 

[biker]

When you use terms and definitions such as Separate Beings, Persons, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Equal, Co-exist, Co-Eternal, and the slew of other man made terms NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE, you are commiting HERESY!

None of those terms ^ were "Inspired by the Holy Spirit," they were later defined by man.

Is MAN'S GOSPEL going to secure your Salvation, or the Gospel according to Christ Jesus?

Any OTHER GOSPEL THAN CHRIST'S is of the ANTICHRIST!