Three Days and Three Nights

[garee]

Ok i do not fall into this group of believers.. I believe Jesus spent 3 nights and 3 days in the tomb.. 72 hours in total.. from sundown wednesday to sundown saturday..

In the tomb or in the heart of the earth?

 

[JaumeJ]

JaumeJ,

Your comments deal with issues for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.

Please forgive any oversight< my response is to the title only. thanks.

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "The first part of the three part demonstration began in the garden."

That's an issue for a different topic. Maybe you might start one?

 

[rstrats]

JaumeJ,
re: "Please forgive any oversight< my response is to the title only."

As I wrote previously, the topic title and OP were poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic. Unfortunately the title couldn't be edited once it was posted. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts and most recently in post #987.

 

[JaumeJ]

JaumeJ,
re: "Please forgive any oversight< my response is to the title only."

As I wrote previously, the topic title and OP were poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic. Unfortunately the title couldn't be edited once it was posted. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts and most recently in post #987.

Thank you.

 

[garee]

garee,
re: "The first part of the three part demonstration began in the garden."

That's an issue for a different topic. Maybe you might start one?

If we are talking about three days its the same .The demonstration of the father and Son of the mutual suffering does not begin in the literal tomb. That's the last part of the three part demonstration . We are still trying to define the phrase or metaphor "heart of the earth" ( Hard ?) .

Is heart of earth used in respect to corruption (suffering) or before corruption ?

Romans 8:21 27 King James Version (KJV) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "The demonstration of the father and Son of the mutual suffering does not begin in the literal tomb."

But this topic is meant for anyone who does think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

 

[FlyingDove]

watcger2013,
re: "You are basing your question on what."

OK, let me repeat once again:

The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

I simply wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred.

So again, the topic request for examples is with regard to the commonality of forecasting a daytime or a night time when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.



re: "Are you talking about Jesus death and Resurrection?..."

No, at least not for the purpose of this topic.

I'm adding my opinion to this discussion. It's one of many posted in this thread.

On Nisan 10 a Passover Lamb is chosen (Ex 12). It is inspected for any blemish until Nisan 14 when the actual sacrifice was made (Lev 23:5)

Christ triumphal entry begins on a Sunday/Nisan 10. He is inspected for blemishes via the Pharisees (Mk 12:17 & 25) And is killed on Nisan 14.

It's often referred to as passion week. Four day's noted above, three to go.

Nisan 14: Passover (day of preparation) started, Wed evening 7p until 7a.
Nisan 14 Thur morning 7a til 7p: 3pm Jesus dies/He is immediately in the spirit realm = day 1 in the belly of the earth

Nisan 15 Thurs (Seder meal - high Sabbath) 7p until 7a: Jesus is in the grave = 12 hours night 1
Nisan 15 Fri (high Sabbath) morning 7a until 7p: = 12 hours day 2.

Nisan 16 Fri evening (Sabbath) 7p until 7a: = 12 hours night 2
Nisan 16 Sat morning (Sabbath) 7a until 7p: = 12 hours day 3

Nisan 17 Sat evening 7p until 7a: (1st day of the week) any amount of time after 7p before 7a = night 3
Nisan 17 Sun (Resurrection Day) morning 7a until 7p: Disciples encounter risen Jesus Matt 28:1-10.

Post is My Opinion Only.

 

[bojack]

garee,
re: "The demonstration of the father and Son of the mutual suffering does not begin in the literal tomb."

But this topic is meant for anyone who does think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

Is there spiritual earth within created earth melded like flesh with spirit .. The Earth as we know it was called into being from the supernatural and at the End of time will disappear with the elements, right ?

 

[bojack]

I'm adding my opinion to this discussion. It's one of many posted in this thread.

On Nisan 10 a Passover Lamb is chosen (Ex 12). It is inspected for any blemish until Nisan 14 when the actual sacrifice was made (Lev 23:5)

Christ triumphal entry begins on a Sunday/Nisan 10. He is inspected for blemishes via the Pharisees (Mk 12:17 & 25) And is killed on Nisan 14.

It's often referred to as passion week. Four day's noted above, three to go.

Nisan 14: Passover (day of preparation) started, Wed evening 7p until 7a.
Nisan 14 Thur morning 7a til 7p: 3pm Jesus dies/He is immediately in the spirit realm = day 1 in the belly of the earth

Nisan 15 Thurs (Seder meal - high Sabbath) 7p until 7a: Jesus is in the grave = 12 hours night 1
Nisan 15 Fri (high Sabbath) morning 7a until 7p: = 12 hours day 2.

Nisan 16 Fri evening (Sabbath) 7p until 7a: = 12 hours night 2
Nisan 16 Sat morning (Sabbath) 7a until 7p: = 12 hours day 3

Nisan 17 Sat evening 7p until 7a: (1st day of the week) any amount of time after 7p before 7a = night 3
Nisan 17 Sun (Resurrection Day) morning 7a until 7p: Disciples encounter risen Jesus Matt 28:1-10.

Post is My Opinion Only.

Days are evening to morning or any part of the day, right ? Then the next day starts at sundown
Fascinating subject .. Didn't Jesus die at the preparation day about the time the Temple priest was to kill the Passover lamb ?

 

[FlyingDove]

Days are evening to morning or any part of the day, right ? Then the next day starts at sundown
Fascinating subject .. Didn't Jesus die at the preparation day about the time the Temple priest was to kill the Passover lamb ?

Again here, just my opinion:

Approximate Nisan 14 timeline:
Nisan 14 began at sundown. Jesus eats his last supper with his chosen 12 (7-9pm). They go the Garden of Gethsemane & Jesus prays (9pm -midnight) He is arrested (midnight) the Priests accuse, abuse & condemn Him (midnight-6am). He's taken to Pilate questioned, abused, scourged & sentenced to death (6am til 8am). Nailed to the cross (9am) suffers til & dies at (3pm) all on Nisan 14.

Christ death shadows Temple tradition:
At 9am on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest tied the lamb to a stake to be sacrificed. The Priest then blows the shofar (rams horn/trump). So all the people knew the chosen lamb is prepared to be sacrificed.

Early Nisan 14 God's sinless Lamb/Christ was carrying his cross, marching up the hill to Calvary. At 9am (Mk 15:25) on Nisan 14 Jesus the Lamb of God is tied and nailed to the cross.

3pm on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest brings a sharp knife and kills the sinless lamb. The Priest then blows the shofar (rams horn/trump). So, all the people know the Passover lamb as been sacrificed/killed.

At 3pm (Mk 15:33) on Nisan 14 Jesus Christ hears the Temple trump and in a loud voice (Jn 19:28 & 30) Jesus proclaims: tetelestai/It is FINISHED/Sin required wage: Paid in Full & dies. tetelestai/also an accounting term meaning Completed/Paid in Full.

Jesus passes through the Temple Veil & a great earthquake happens, the Veil is torn in 1/2. (Matt 27:51) Old covenant Levitical priesthood sacrificial system retirement begins here.

At Pentecost the old covenant (written on stone) is rendered obsolete. New covenant indwelling Holy Spirit (written on the heart) begins.

 

[Adstar]

In the tomb or in the heart of the earth?

I the Tomb..

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "If we are talking about three days its the same ."

We're not.



re: "We are still trying to define the phrase or metaphor 'heart of the earth'".

For the purpose of this topic it's been defined as the tomb.

 

[rstrats]

FlyingDove,
re: "I'm adding my opinion to this discussion."

This topic is not looking for opinions. It's looking for actual examples of where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

 

[rstrats]

bojack,

Are you a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion?

 

[bojack]

bojack,

Are you a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion?

Not sure what you're asking but I think Jesus was crucified on what they regarded as preparation day , Friday ..

 

[rstrats]

bojack,
re: "...I think Jesus was crucified on what they regarded as preparation day , Friday .."

If by Friday you mean the 6tlh day of the week, do you also think that He was referring to the tomb when He used the term "heart of the earth"?

 

[bojack]

bojack,
re: "...I think Jesus was crucified on what they regarded as preparation day , Friday .."

If by Friday you mean the 6tlh day of the week, do you also think that He was referring to the tomb when He used the term "heart of the earth"?

No , I meant the day before the Jewish 7th day Sabbath Saturday , sorry ..
Jesus give up the Ghost so I think He went to Paradise that day while His body remained on the cross then to the tomb . The Bible says Jesus suffered death and hell for us so I believe on the cross He took our sin and was disassociated from the Father because of it temporarily, then His body died physical death for 3 days until He resurrected .. OT Saints burst out of their grave, I'm not sure if it was when He died or if it was at His bodily resurrection .. We know the whole earth went dark then light for about 3 hrs? as the light of the earth went out and I think ancient China recorded it in their ancient history about that time ..
Which on a side note, only 2 times before any thing like that happened , once when God prolonged a day for Joshua until he finished up the ''Amalekites ?'' And once when the sun was commanded to back up 10 degrees , which on another side note insignificant or not, dark then light is one day , sundown to sunup, evening to morning ..
So I think there is a spiritual earth melded with physical earth and I think I said that some where and my opinion so far lol
Question marks above mean ''I think''

 

[garee]

I the Tomb..

Did you mean in the Tomb? Was the garden and cross demonstration in the tomb?

 

[Adstar]

Did you mean in the Tomb? Was the garden and cross demonstration in the tomb?

I mean Jesus was placed into the Tomb at sundown wednesday and came out of the tomb on Saturday sundown..