Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

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John146

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KJV1611 said:
You're preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL.
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Ok, so...this is not the church age any longer. The time for faith alone has expired. Paul's teachings no longer are applied to the Jews in the last days. They are to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Christ. They must endure to the end. That's not church doctrine. The gospel of the kingdom will go back into effect with the kingdom and King at hand once again.
 
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John146 said:
Ok, so...this is not the church age any longer. The time for faith alone has expired. Paul's teachings no longer are applied to the Jews in the last days. They are to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Christ. They must endure to the end. That's not church doctrine. The gospel of the kingdom will go back into effect with the kingdom and King at hand once again.
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There is only one gospel John146.
 
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KJV1611 said:
There is only one gospel John146.
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For the Church age...the gospel of the kingdom is not Paul’s gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. Also, the everlasting gospel proclaimed by the angels at the end of the tribulation is not Paul’s gospel.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Paul’s gospel is not verse 7, no mention of the d,b,r for sins. Verse 7 are the words of the everlasting gospel.
 
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For the Church age...the gospel of the kingdom is not Paul’s gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. Also, the everlasting gospel proclaimed by the angels at the end of the tribulation is not Paul’s gospel.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Paul’s gospel is not verse 7, no mention of the d,b,r for sins. Verse 7 are the words of the everlasting gospel.
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That's the dispensational gospel. Biblical Christianity only has one gospel... saved by grace and it applied to the children of Israel and to us and to everyone in the future. There is only one gospel.
 
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That's the dispensational gospel. Biblical Christianity only has one gospel... saved by grace and it applied to the children of Israel and to us and to everyone in the future. There is only one gospel.
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If you preach the gospel of the kingdom or the everlasting gospel today, nobody’s getting saved. Paul’s gospel is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. No mention of the kingdom at hand or the hour of judgment is come.
 
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John146 said:
If you preach the gospel of the kingdom or the everlasting gospel today, nobody’s getting saved. Paul’s gospel is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. No mention of the kingdom at hand or the hour of judgment is come.
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How is the everlasting gospel any different than the gospel Jesus and Paul and Peter taught?
 
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25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, [e]as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”


Why are so many obsessed with hell. God slayed satan twice, once by killing the serpent and
the second time with Jesus crucified. Upon His death, Jesus ascended into hell, brought out
the saints, and locked the gates of hell and He kept the key. We are in Gods hands as believers
and that is the end of story so if anyone fears satan and demons; they so not trust God at all and should
change religions. I can understand pastors doing it because it brings in the cash but get out of the
flesh people and surrender to God and become a new creation in the spirit. That way if anyone is
bothered by satan or demons, they by definition believe that satan kill God.
 
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Relic said:
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, [e]as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”


Why are so many obsessed with hell. God slayed satan twice, once by killing the serpent and
the second time with Jesus crucified. Upon His death, Jesus ascended into hell, brought out
the saints, and locked the gates of hell and He kept the key. We are in Gods hands as believers
and that is the end of story so if anyone fears satan and demons; they so not trust God at all and should
change religions. I can understand pastors doing it because it brings in the cash but get out of the
flesh people and surrender to God and become a new creation in the spirit. That way if anyone is
bothered by satan or demons, they by definition believe that satan kill God.
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Biblical truth doesn't sell books, sensational fantasies sell books. I don't have the mark of the beast therefor I can't buy nor sell those things.
 
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KJV1611 said:
How is the everlasting gospel any different than the gospel Jesus and Paul and Peter taught?
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Here’s the everlasting gospel:
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

No mention of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. Neither did Jesus and the disciples preach this message. Preaching verse 7 above will not save anyone. Verse 7 is the good news that the Lord is returning and judgment is come.
 
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John146 said:
If you preach the gospel of the kingdom or the everlasting gospel today, nobody’s getting saved. Paul’s gospel is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. No mention of the kingdom at hand or the hour of judgment is come.
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John146 said:
Here’s the everlasting gospel:
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

No mention of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. Neither did Jesus and the disciples preach this message. Preaching verse 7 above will not save anyone. Verse 7 is the good news that the Lord is returning and judgment is come.
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None of this makes much sense to me 146.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
None of this makes much sense to me 146.
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Do you equate Paul’s gospel, how Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day, to the everlasting gospel in Revelation 14:7 which is Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters?
 
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John146 said:
Here’s the everlasting gospel:
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

No mention of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. Neither did Jesus and the disciples preach this message. Preaching verse 7 above will not save anyone. Verse 7 is the good news that the Lord is returning and judgment is come.
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I'm glad you brought this up because it's a perfect example of how to discern the timing of the book of Revelation. This is such a powerful illustration that you have called it "Another Gospel" for the Hebrew's because you realize that it's something new.

There's only one gospel and the bible makes that abundantly clear. So drop all your dispensational baggage and answer the two questions for your self.

When did the gospel (one and only) begin to be preached?
When was Revelation 14:6 fulfilled?
 
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John146 said:
Do you equate Paul’s gospel, how Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day, to the everlasting gospel in Revelation 14:7 which is Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters?
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I don't see how you can differentiate them
 
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KJV1611 said:
I'm glad you brought this up because it's a perfect example of how to discern the timing of the book of Revelation. This is such a powerful illustration that you have called it "Another Gospel" for the Hebrew's because you realize that it's something new.

There's only one gospel and the bible makes that abundantly clear. So drop all your dispensational baggage and answer the two questions for your self.

When did the gospel (one and only) begin to be preached?
When was Revelation 14:6 fulfilled?
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The gospel as we know it was fully made known to Paul. Revelation 14 is future, after the gathering of the Church.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
I don't see how you can differentiate them
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Ok, if you go out right now and preach, “Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters”....could anyone be saved by believing this message?
 
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John146 said:
Do you equate Paul’s gospel, how Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day, to the everlasting gospel in Revelation 14:7 which is Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters?
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Yes, one and the same - I'm asking how you make them different, just quoting a few verses does not establish what you are saying 146.
 
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Yes, one and the same - I'm asking how you make them different, just quoting a few verses does not establish what you are saying 146.
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Sooo, today, in order to be saved one doesn’t have to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins to be saved? That’s what you’re saying.
 
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