Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

[KJV1611]

no; there are many more ways to count than one

like you said:




even if we're not doing math -- 'with the measure you use' implies numerous measures. which is math, too.

Enlighten me, how else can we count the number 666?

 

[KJV1611]

Well notice the word phrasing in your first scripture passage, it says if any man worship the beast and his image and recieve his mark on his forehead or hand.
So in essence the word and I think answers the question, it appears that one must first have already pledged their allegiance to worship him and his image and recieving the mark is an outward declaration of that allegiance.
We also recieve a mark when we pledge our allegiance to God - the holy spirit. ours is an inner mark that cannot be seen with human eyes whiles theirs will be an outer mark which is actually very relevant.
We are saved by faith and with our hearts, people can go to church and can act the part showing an outward appearance of Godliness but in fact may not be saved at all

If the verse said what you just said I would believe what you said,but it doesn’t say that.

 

[posthuman]

666 = 6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones
666 = 0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones
666 = 0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones.

You have now counted the number 666 in all the ways it can be counted.

there are infinitely many more ways than that to write an algebraic expression whose summation is 666. 700 - 34, for example. and there are infinitely many partial sequences whose sum is 666. there's many more ways than one to define "+" too -- why are we using the method you're using?

 

[KJV1611]

i agree with your understanding. i think these things are telling us that the mark has a religious significance. it's associated with worshiping the beast. the beast's government has a religious aspect; i don't think the mark

The mark will likely change your dna to align with Satan. That is why you cannot repent of it. Just like we have a new heart, and new Spiritual dna from Jesus, the mark changes your dna permanently as one of Satans children.

The top candidates for a covid19 vaccine all have some form of rna it them. Read about the role of rna relative to dna. Look into the. I’ll and Melinda Gates Foundation funded company Moderna.

Yeah right, where can I find changing our DNA is the mark of the beast in the Bible?

Another 6 adding to the 66.

 

[KJV1611]

there are infinitely many more ways than that to write an algebraic expression whose summation is 666. 700 - 34, for example. and there are infinitely many partial sequences whose sum is 666. there's many more ways than one to define "+" too -- why are we using the method you're using?

700 - 34 is an expression of 666 but it’s not counting anything. Is it? If so please explain how. Seriously if there’s a another way to count a number I want to know because WISDOM is found by counting the number.

 

[KJV1611]

Why take a mark then? What is the alternative to why would anyone would want it? Because it looks cool? They ain't ignorant to take such a mark. Especially in those days and context.

You’re assuming that the mark is a literal mark. There are other marks that are not literal.

 

[posthuman]

Enlighten me, how else can we count the number 666?

for example




why don't i do that?

 

[KJV1611]

for example

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why don't i do that?

I have no clue what that means, what wisdom did we get from that count?

 

[posthuman]

700 - 34 is an expression of 666 but it’s not counting anything. Is it? If so please explain how. Seriously if there’s a another way to count a number I want to know because WISDOM is found by counting the number.

the 700 club minus two 17's.
17! = 153, which is the number of fish caught in the last chapter of John and 153 is also the number of men who came to tell Elijah 'man of God, come down!' in 2 Kings 1.

so maybe it's counting the 700 club lacking these two 17 factorials from scripture?
but this isn't the only thing 700-34 can represent. it can represent many, many things.

i'm trying to point out that there's a very real need to justify what kind of math we do.

 

[KJV1611]

Has it finally been resolved that the number is actually '666' and not '616'?

The number has never been in question by those who believe in the inerrant word of God.

 

[KJV1611]

the 700 club minus two 17's.
17! = 153, which is the number of fish caught in the last chapter of John and 153 is also the number of men who came to tell Elijah 'man of God, come down!' in 2 Kings 1.

so maybe it's counting the 700 club lacking these two 17 factorials from scripture?
but this isn't the only thing 700-34 can represent. it can represent many, many things.

i'm trying to point out that there's a very real need to justify what kind of math we do.

So your count didn’t reveal anything about the mark of the beast?

 

[posthuman]

The mark of the beast is any 6 that ADDS TO the 66.

as i understand it the Greek of this text has three symbols used to represent numbers, not the name or names of a number or numbers written out. it says literally, 600, 60, and 6.

so the scripture doesn't say "66" -- wouldn't you be a 6 adding to the 66 by claiming "the 66" is written here?

 

[mailmandan]

The beast causes all to receive his mark in their right hand or their foreheads. If all people take his mark why would Christians knowingly take his mark?

Rev 13:16 (KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I’m not saying that Christians will knowingly take the mark, but will understand that it is the mark and there will be no accidental taking it. I find it interesting that the mark will go in your right hand or in your forehead. Well, some people are missing their right hand or their entire right arm, so then it would have to go in your forehead.

 

[posthuman]

I’m assuming that everyone on the thread knows the meaning of 6 and 66. 6 is the number man and 66 is the number of the word of God I.e. 66 books in the Bible. 66 decorations on the candlesticks in exodus etc.

you know, to a Jew like John who wrote this book, the OT doesn't have 39 books; it has 24. it was written on 24 scrolls.

24 + 27 = 51

one captain & his 50, btw, ((re: 2 Kings 1)) = 51

so how do i know you're not a 6 adding to the 51 by saying there are 66 books in the Bible?

does 57 mean anything to you?

 

[oldethennew]

no need to fret over numbers or what they may' mean to each and every 'man'
and their interpretation'... may we focus on the fact that they are symbolic=symbols,
not to stress over, but a guiding Holy Light, leading us into yet another dimension
of our journey UP God's HOLY-LADDER...

 

[KJV1611]

as i understand it the Greek of this text has three symbols used to represent numbers, not the name or names of a number or numbers written out. it says literally, 600, 60, and 6.

so the scripture doesn't say "66" -- wouldn't you be a 6 adding to the 66 by claiming "the 66" is written here?

Are you saying that the number if n Greek isn’t 666? Or are you saying that you can’t factor a Greek number?

 

[posthuman]

So your count didn’t reveal anything about the mark of the beast?

it's not "my count" is just an example to prove that there are multiple ways to make some sort of calculation that gets the result 666.

seriously if you've made this topic i presume you know that for 2,000 years men have been coming up with thousands of different ways to form some kind of analogy to something and do some kind of math and get the desired numerical result. i mean, gemmatria alone, there are hundreds and hundreds of ways people have associated a name or a phrase with this number.

i believe there is a burden of proof here associated with claiming "this is the **right** way to calculate the number" and i don't believe it's been met in this thread. but even more simply, i disagree from a mathematical standpoint that 'there's only one way to count 666' -- and many more than 3 ways. there are a lot more number systems than the integers and a lot more measures ((ways to define "+" and "=")) than the simple one you're assuming is appropriate here. i realize that you, and the vast majority of people who ever read this thread, are probably totally unaware of the breadth of mathematics that's being assumed, but i think it's important to point out.

an example of a different space would be taking {600, 60, 6} as a vector. 600 in some X direction, 60 in some Y, and 6 in some Z. and then we have to sort out which of the infinitely many 3-tuples is the right one to assign as "directions"

i'm not proposing some alternative explanation. i'm stressing that there are an enormous number of alternatives. so it is incumbent to be able to show why one understanding is the 'correct' one if anyone makes the claim that it is the only one.

 

[KJV1611]

I’m not saying that Christians will knowingly take the mark, but will understand that it is the mark and there will be no accidental taking it. I find it interesting that the mark will go in your right hand or in your forehead. Well, some people are missing their right hand or their entire right arm, so then it would have to go in your forehead.

The right hand is symbolic of salvation. Jesus sits at the right hand of the father. God saves with his right hand. The mark of the beast in the right hand is the hand of salvation. For works salvation people their own right hand saves them, not Gods. That theology comes from man, a 6, adding to the word of God.

 

[posthuman]

Are you saying that the number if n Greek isn’t 666? Or are you saying that you can’t factor a Greek number?

i'm saying that despite what's printed in your paper copy of the KJV,
the scripture does not say "666" and it doesn't say "six hundred sixty-six"

the scripture says "χξς" which AFAIK is representative of "600, 60, 6" in English.

 

[posthuman]

6 is the number man

where does the Bible say that?
Genesis 1-2?
if that's where you get it, wouldn't that be more accurately 6 is the number of the day of man's creation, not 6 = man?