Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

[UnitedWithChrist]

When Jesus said I AM, he is really saying that He is Jahweh God the Father. That's why the Jews got angry.
It's like today when someone teaches that Jesus is really the true God that manifests in the flesh they got anger like the Jews.

Trinitarians believe Jesus is YHVH.

They just don't believe he is the Father.

And, again, it is ludicrous to believe this, with all the inter-personal relationships that are going on within the Triune God.

Unitarianism has no model for God being love by definition. The Triune God has been in relationship throughout eternity. He is community within unity.

By the way, for the open minded, Delighting in the Trinity by Michael Reeves is a book that delves into this topic...

 

[just_truth]

Hello again @just_truth, if the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit "got their Divinity" from God the Father, then they could not also be God from everlasting, which means that they could not be God (as there is but One). As God tells us in the Bible, no God was formed either before or after YHWH was .. e.g. Isaiah 43:10; , the God whose ~singular~ Name is also, "the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit", the Name of God we use during baptism .. Matthew 28:19.

As for who "the Trinitarians" you mentioned above are, that would be ALL of us, as the entirety of the historic Christian Church (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, Baptist, Lutheran, Anglican, etc.) has both believed and taught the Trinity since the First Century, for the simple reason that the doctrine of the Trinity is a summation of what the Bible teaches us about God.

As He told us in the beginning, we were created in His image.

Genesis 1​

“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..."​

The truth is, we constantly bicker and fight over MANY, MANY points of theology (the various churches and denominations that make up the whole of the church, that is), but as far as our Triune God is concerned, there is no debate, because we have all held (and continue to hold) to the exact same beliefs concerning the Godhead, and that, again, for millennia now. So, while you are certainly free to believe whatever you'd like to believe about God personally, the fact that you stand in opposition to every church body within the pale of Christian orthodoxy when you do would, at least, give me pause if I was you, and, no doubt further, give me a reason to take a much deeper look into "why" the church has held/continues to hold to this particular doctrine in such absolute unity with one another.

~Deut

Isaiah 43​

10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,​

“And My servant whom I have chosen,​

So that you may know and believe Me​

And understand that I am He.​

Before Me there was no God formed,​

And there will be none after Me.”​

​

First, let me correct regarding what I say that they GOT divinity of the Father, It more suitable to say their DIVINITY IS THE FATHER, further that the Holy Spirit is the extension of the Father's whole being, and it is only the Son in humanity has the beginning but his Divinity is from eternity.

 

[just_truth]

The Triune God has been in relationship throughout eternity. He is community within unity.

We cannot compare God relationship to human relationship, we can tell that human relationship is apparent because of physical aspect, since God alone is Spirit there could never be another spirit or Deity to become His relationship. The Logos is not another being but the self revelation of God and I cannot tell how God had interacted in a relationship with his Logos, when it later became flesh(Incarnation) the relationship is apparent between God(Father) and the Son(human), since in God's mindset the PLAN is already a reality when Incarnation started.

 

[Benadam]

I like this one. Like a previous example it's hidden in the first sentences of the bible.


1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


Jesus is the beginning and the end. The Father let's everything created to be created in the Son.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The Holy Spirit moves over the waters.

 

[Dave-L]

When Jesus said I AM, he is really saying that He is Jahweh God the Father. That's why the Jews got angry.
It's like today when someone teaches that Jesus is really the true God that manifests in the flesh they got anger like the Jews.

Jesus said he was God's Son. That made them angry.

 

[preacher4truth]

When Jesus said I AM, he is really saying that He is Jahweh God the Father. That's why the Jews got angry.
It's like today when someone teaches that Jesus is really the true God that manifests in the flesh they got anger like the Jews.

@Angela53510 by liking the above post surely you don't agree with the underlined?

 

[just_truth]

Jesus said he was God's Son. That made them angry.

The Jews did not know about the Son of God, the word I AM is the same what the God of Israel spoke His name in Old Testament no other than the Father.

 

[Dave-L]

The Jews did not know about the Son of God, the word I AM is the same what the God of Israel spoke His name in Old Testament no other than the Father.

“The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.” John 19:7 (KJV 1900)

 

[just_truth]

“The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.” John 19:7 (KJV 1900)

But the word I AM never mean a Son of God, but Jahweh.

 

[Dave-L]

But the word I AM never mean a Son of God, but Jahweh.

Jesus is YHWH, YHWH is the trinity.

 

[Benadam]

When Jesus taught that There was no greater man born of woman than John the baptist He was also teaching that He was not of this generation. That Adam was not His Father.

 

[just_truth]

Jesus is YHWH, YHWH is the trinity.

Yahweh is I AM only singular God, He did not introduce Himself WE are three.

 

[Dave-L]

Yahweh is I AM only singular God, He did not introduce Himself WE are three.

God is one being with 3 distinct persons of the same substance. Each having a different role.

 

[just_truth]

Jesus is YHWH, YHWH is the trinity.

Yahweh is I AM only singular God, He did not introduce Himself WE are three.
Yahweh is the one and only God. Yahweh says, “I am Yahweh, and there is no other, besides me there is no God” -Isaiah 45:5

 

[just_truth]

God is one being with 3 distinct persons of the same substance. Each having a different role.

What substance?

 

[just_truth]

Jesus said he was God's Son. That made them angry.

Jesus did not say He was the son of God, but He says I AM which means Jahweh.

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus did not say He was the son of God, but He says I AM which means Jahweh.

“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” John 10:36 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

What substance?

God is a Spiritual substance. Just as faith is the substance of things not seen.

 

[Dave-L]

Yahweh is I AM only singular God, He did not introduce Himself WE are three.
Yahweh is the one and only God. Yahweh says, “I am Yahweh, and there is no other, besides me there is no God” -Isaiah 45:5

You are cutting and pasting an idol from the bible it does not support.

 

[Angela53510]

@Angela53510 by liking the above post surely you don't agree with the underlined?

No I do not agree! I unchecked it. No clue why I checked it. I had a bad fall this week and hit my head. I assume my brain is still hurting. I know I posted a few things earlier and they made no sense at all.

Thanks for that catch, P4T!