A discussion of the nearness of the endtimes

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Blain

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I'm Amillennial and believe Christ's return could be any day. Revelation 20 shows an overview of the New Covenant era from when Christ first bound Satan with the gospel. Satan has been loosed as is attacking the church with heresy and the world's false teachings and philosophies. Armageddon is the symbol of the spiritual war we fight just before the Lord returns.
I am probably a combination of pretrib and prewrath. I don't know for sure if he will take us to safety before we begin to really see all these horrible things but I am not afraid to have to deal with some tribulation however I also think there is a difference between the tribulation and his wrath. When he pours his wrath we won't be here for it
 

Nehemiah6

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Former President George W. Bush called for unity in a video, urging Americans to remember that "we are not partisan combatants".
The hypocrisy should be evident. George W. Bush and his family -- all Republicans -- opposed Trump and sided with Hillary and the Democrats all this time for no good reason. And while all the PURELY PARTISAN ATTACKS on Trump have continued for over three years, he has stood by and not said a word. Now that the crimes of Obama, Hillary, the Deep State, etc. are being exposed, he is suddenly concerned about partisanship.
 
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I am probably a combination of pretrib and prewrath. I don't know for sure if he will take us to safety before we begin to really see all these horrible things but I am not afraid to have to deal with some tribulation however I also think there is a difference between the tribulation and his wrath. When he pours his wrath we won't be here for it
As I understand it, the great tribulation, the worst ever according to Jesus happened in 70 AD during the destruction of Jerusalem. It was for the Jews only. Christians have nothing but tribulation from then until the end of the world, So we need to remain prepared for it. It is not wrath, but testing and trial to keep the herd thinned out. Antichrist made a heavy appearance in the Papacy from about the tenth century until the French Revolution. But we can expect more from him and Islam in the years to come.
 

Blain

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As I understand it, the great tribulation, the worst ever according to Jesus happened in 70 AD during the destruction of Jerusalem. It was for the Jews only. Christians have nothing but tribulation from then until the end of the world, So we need to remain prepared for it. It is not wrath, but testing and trial to keep the herd thinned out. Antichrist made a heavy appearance in the Papacy from about the tenth century until the French Revolution. But we can expect more from him and Islam in the years to come.
Well the thing with bible prophecy is that it seems to foreshadow a lot before the actual happening itself. So it may have been a foreshadow of what is to come, because believe me what is coming doesn't even belong in horror movies. I am talking the stench of freshly melted flesh that just looks like a puddle of bubbling meat kind of thing, people doing unspeakable things no matter how evil or disgusting like you could never look at any person the same way again knowing how far into the dark we are capable of going as humans and only then actually understanding the exact depth of the enemies evil.

I think everything before this was a foreshadowing what is ahead but I doubt very many actually understand the exact depth of horror that lays ahead, you would lose your lunch and curl up in a ball weeping if you saw it
 

Dino246

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As I understand it, the great tribulation, the worst ever according to Jesus happened in 70 AD during the destruction of Jerusalem. It was for the Jews only. Christians have nothing but tribulation from then until the end of the world, So we need to remain prepared for it. It is not wrath, but testing and trial to keep the herd thinned out. Antichrist made a heavy appearance in the Papacy from about the tenth century until the French Revolution. But we can expect more from him and Islam in the years to come.
Testing and trial 'to keep the herd thinned out'? That ain't Jesus!
 

Blain

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I justed wanted to say I am very happy and proud of everyone in manner of conduct of this particular subject, I know what sensitive topic this is and how it can enflame fiery debates and lashing out at each other and so again I am very proud of everyone you have no idea
 
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I had no idea like wow

Can't think of the person and the show he hosts, but it is set up in Israel, and he does is go around connecting those who want to support Israel with those who are in the "Loop" of what is really going on behind the scenes. The biggest thing I actually learned is Israel has petitioned the United Nations FOUR TIMES to rebuild their Temple. All 4 times been rejected because they claim it is Muslim Territory. Well, there are more Muslim Nations within the U.N. so naturally they vote "No." But Israel is not going to continue being denied and we know that because of Prophecy.
 

Blain

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Can't think of the person and the show he hosts, but it is set up in Israel, and he does is go around connecting those who want to support Israel with those who are in the "Loop" of what is really going on behind the scenes. The biggest thing I actually learned is Israel has petitioned the United Nations FOUR TIMES to rebuild their Temple. All 4 times been rejected because they claim it is Muslim Territory. Well, there are more Muslim Nations within the U.N. so naturally they vote "No." But Israel is not going to continue being denied and we know that because of Prophecy.
Yeah I had heard that islamic technically owns that territory but I didn't expect the temple to be built anytime soon
 
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Yeah I had heard that islamic technically owns that territory but I didn't expect the temple to be built anytime soon


For Centuries Nations have fought to keep Israel safe except for the Muslims. They went to war to overtake Israel. Which I don't understand because Israel was dwelled by the Nephilim who the Hebrews defeated/killed by God's help. But somehow, the Palestinians claim they have always been there from day 1. That's an obvious lie, and they aren't even close to being the majority there, it's like 9 million Jews to a couple million Palestinians. No way should the USA have allowed the Muslims to gain power in the U.N. It's done nothing but bit us.
 

Blain

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For Centuries Nations have fought to keep Israel safe except for the Muslims. They went to war to overtake Israel. Which I don't understand because Israel was dwelled by the Nephilim who the Hebrews defeated/killed by God's help. But somehow, the Palestinians claim they have always been there from day 1. That's an obvious lie, and they aren't even close to being the majority there, it's like 9 million Jews to a couple million Palestinians. No way should the USA have allowed the Muslims to gain power in the U.N. It's done nothing but bit us.
Well I don't know why they covet that land so much but it may be that that their bible which I think is called the Koran may have a different story compared to the bible and so maybe they grew up believing it?
 

tanakh

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I have no idea whether we are in the last days or not. Every generation has thought they were in them and pointed to events to prove
it. The existence of the state of Israel doen't help to determine the question either. There were Jews living in what was called Palestine for centuries before 1948. Today there are more living round the world than in Israel who are happy to remain wherever they are. Our
relationship with God in the here and now is more important than speculating about these matters.
 

Dino246

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Peter wrote in his first letter, "For He [Christ] was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God...."

I see only two ways to interpret that statement: either we have been in "the last times" since Peter wrote those words, or "the last times" took place in Peter's day.

I used to believe the first option, because I really hadn't given it much thought. Now I look at it and it simply doesn't make good sense. There have been "end-time prophets" since the early days of the church, telling their contemporaries that "The end is near!" They simply cannot all be right, but they can all be wrong! EVERY such "prophet" has been wrong so far. Why do we continue to lend them our ears? The only answer is to search the Scriptures for ourselves and see what God is saying to this generation, and what was said to the generation long past.
 
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Not to stir the pot as most of you know how much that bothers me but as for the rapture tribulation and the end times in general how near do you really think it is? Granted I know there is mass diversity of the timing of the rapture and the book of revelkations unfolding but lets say for the topic of discussion that say the rapture was to be the first thing to happen since most of us already believe we have been in the end times since Jesus rose from the dead.


How close do you think it could actually be? what signs might point to this and what scripture and evidence could possibly prove this?
And for everyone who doesn't believe in the pretrib rapture what do you think is next? how close might it be and what signs evidence and scriptures might help to prove this? The way the world is going I think it is wise to pay attention to the book of revelations more than ever and while I pray this doesn't turn into a blood shed debate I hope we can discuss things and look at different points of views together learn and grow and maybe even be more aware of these times than before.
As for the rapture I believe it is happening right now. We are being gathered together to Jesus Christ and people are being raptured in there own timing. It is commonly believed that when it says we will be caught up to meet our loved ones in the air that it means only our spirits are caught up but nowhere does it say that only our spirits are caught up to meet in the clouds. Therefore, it is an interpretation that only our spirits are caught up in the air. Since there is not much difference between the physical and spiritual there is absolutely nothing to prevent houses, churches, communities, buildings, roads, land, states and countries, etc from being caught up as well.

When we are "changed" as scripture says we will be in the twinkling of the eye it separates our fleshly bodies from our spiritual bodies into two beings. If we are a believer then when we are raptured we leave our fleshly bodies behind and go with our spiritual bodies. if we are an unbeliever then we leave our spiritual body behind and we go with the fleshly body. There will be two in the field one is taken and the other left just as scripture records. So most people will not readily notice when we are raptured because they still see the fleshly body but our spirit has been raptured. Therefore as we go up higher and higher and as people "change" and are raptured we as believers will see a change in homes, churches, communities, states, countries, etc. If you think in terms of one you cannot understand how this works. You must begin to think in multidimensions and in terms of two.

These videos give an illustration of what we can expect. It includes the rapture and how we become two when we are changed.

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/thedayofthelord.mp4

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/fleshspirit.mp4
 
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Not to stir the pot as most of you know how much that bothers me but as for the rapture tribulation and the end times in general how near do you really think it is? Granted I know there is mass diversity of the timing of the rapture and the book of revelkations unfolding but lets say for the topic of discussion that say the rapture was to be the first thing to happen since most of us already believe we have been in the end times since Jesus rose from the dead.


How close do you think it could actually be? what signs might point to this and what scripture and evidence could possibly prove this?
And for everyone who doesn't believe in the pretrib rapture what do you think is next? how close might it be and what signs evidence and scriptures might help to prove this? The way the world is going I think it is wise to pay attention to the book of revelations more than ever and while I pray this doesn't turn into a blood shed debate I hope we can discuss things and look at different points of views together learn and grow and maybe even be more aware of these times than before.
Anti-Christ in the temple of Solomon is considered one of the definitive signs to accurately measure the remaining time until the second coming of Christ. Once that it totally rebuilt then it's a matter of mere years. As far as the rapture goes, it's either post-tribulation or pre-tribulation. See the book of Revelations.
 
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As for the rapture I believe it is happening right now. We are being gathered together to Jesus Christ and people are being raptured in there own timing. It is commonly believed that when it says we will be caught up to meet our loved ones in the air that it means only our spirits are caught up but nowhere does it say that only our spirits are caught up to meet in the clouds. Therefore, it is an interpretation that only our spirits are caught up in the air. Since there is not much difference between the physical and spiritual there is absolutely nothing to prevent houses, churches, communities, buildings, roads, land, states and countries, etc from being caught up as well.

When we are "changed" as scripture says we will be in the twinkling of the eye it separates our fleshly bodies from our spiritual bodies into two beings. If we are a believer then when we are raptured we leave our fleshly bodies behind and go with our spiritual bodies. if we are an unbeliever then we leave our spiritual body behind and we go with the fleshly body. There will be two in the field one is taken and the other left just as scripture records. So most people will not readily notice when we are raptured because they still see the fleshly body but our spirit has been raptured. Therefore as we go up higher and higher and as people "change" and are raptured we as believers will see a change in homes, churches, communities, states, countries, etc. If you think in terms of one you cannot understand how this works. You must begin to think in multidimensions and in terms of two.

These videos give an illustration of what we can expect. It includes the rapture and how we become two when we are changed.

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/thedayofthelord.mp4

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/fleshspirit.mp4
Then questions: where was our soul to begin with, was it in our bodies or somewhere else?

If in the body then did we ever recognize it? If it left or stayed then how would we know the difference?

If it was never in the body then where was it?
 

shittim

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Whatever the future holds, when we leave here our ability to do His will here will come to an end, that is what we are to be focused on.
 
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Then questions: where was our soul to begin with, was it in our bodies or somewhere else?

If in the body then did we ever recognize it? If it left or stayed then how would we know the difference?

If it was never in the body then where was it?
When we are "changed" there is a duplicate created one for the spirit and one for the flesh. I differentiate between the soul and spirit as does the old testament. The new testament does not differentiate between our soul and our spirit. Our soul in this context is our emotional state of being separate and distinct from our mind and body and our spirit comes from God.

When we are "changed" we will know that there are two of us but we don't necessarily get "raptured" at the same time that we are "changed". When our spirit gets "raptured" is when we leave our fleshly body behind and we may not know what our fleshly body is doing because we are with the spiritual body.
 

Blade

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Hey Blain.. I am by far no expert on this lol. Allot was written (OT) about Israel when she was not a nation. So when Israel became a nation in a day as its written and we see Israel blooming. Israel is the time piece. Are we not the generation that seen all this? We've seen all kind of earthquakes storms what not.. but never all at once. Caught up.. nice fun at times to debate it but in the end it comes down to "speculation" something God never does. We have the word that would seem has reached every nation of this blue ball..

He will appear in the air dead rise.. we which remain go up to be with the lord forever. No where in that does the whole world see Him. And I do not believe there is anything that HAS to happen for the catching up to take place. WHEN you ask? No clue.. so me.. I am ready now.. always looking up. So I believe any moment.

I will say this.. the Father controls time. So He can make this last one more min or another 30 years and still be right inline with the word.