A discussion of the nearness of the endtimes

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Hmm not sure on the asteroid being it, seems wormwood would be a less planet destructive and more of a water toxicity issue


Could be, but from these scriptures in Revelation 8, its seems like a star, but on radar we know it is an asteroid.

Revelation 8:10
And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;


Revelation 8:11
And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
 
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Wouldn't it take at least a couple years for the temple to built though? If trump wanted to get that done he would be in a very small time range


Here is the kicker:
They have it already built, every piece down to the original. They claim it would take 2 weeks top to construct/assemble it all.
 
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Could be, but from these scriptures in Revelation 8, its seems like a star, but on radar we know it is an asteroid.

Revelation 8:10
And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;


Revelation 8:11
And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
But a asteroid is a rock and a star is hydrogen and helium mostly
 
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But a asteroid is a rock and a star is hydrogen and helium mostly
What was the original word. Was it translated correctly. I dont know I am only guessing lol.
 
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What was the original word. Was it translated correctly. I dont know I am only guessing lol.
Good question haven’t look into it, I know people once called the other planets wondering stars
 
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Good question haven’t look into it, I know people once called the other planets wondering stars
I am on my phone so it is much harder to look into. I know nobody knows the day but I once heard somebody say we dont know the day but it doesnt say we wont be told the year or close to it. Interesting thought.
 
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I am on my phone so it is much harder to look into. I know nobody knows the day but I once heard somebody say we dont know the day but it doesnt say we wont be told the year or close to it. Interesting thought.
that’s a good point, I hadn’t heard the saying before though yes interesting indeed
 
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But a asteroid is a rock and a star is hydrogen and helium mostly

Agreed, but John did not know the difference in seeing a flash of fire come hurling toward Earth and crashing into the water.
 
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Agreed, but John did not know the difference in seeing a flash of fire come hurling toward Earth and crashing into the water.
So are the words used not inspired or inspired.
 

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Please examine the original Israel and do an honest comparison to the Israel on the map today.
They only resemble each other in name. They maintain various denominations under an umbrell we have named Judaism. I have to cp here, there was never anything called Judaism in the israel of the twelve tribes, that is eleven and two half/tribes.
There is no High Priest who is the maximum authority of the Israelis. There is a human government. There are various "Jewish" denominations within the borders, all with their own traditions of their doctrines, that is to say traditions of man put forth as from God.
Keep looking and maybe all will realize that the Israel on the map of this age has nothing to do with the Israel of our Father. Our Jerusalem is New Jerusalem, and it will be brought down by our Father, King and Savior...….If this closing confuses the identity of God for you, refer to God-s Word at Isaiah 9:6.
God bless all who have been adopted to inherit the Israel of God, our Father, amen.
 

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I dont know anything about the end times. I have never read the book of Revelation. It just makes no sense to me. I have tried but I just dont understand it. Anyway mid last year the pastor started to talk about end times and I went home that night and asked God is this real or is this just another thing people have made up and are using it to scare people. I had a series of three dreams in a course of a couple of months. As far as this video is concerned, it could possibly happen.
Believe me when I say that the end ytimes and bible prophecy in general is the meat of all meats and for good reason. Bible scholars have studies for years and still are unable to unravel the entire thing in revelations alone but there is more than one book in the bible pertaining to bible prophecy specifically and in most of the symbolism is the main code of the usage so it is not always to interpret.
You have to have a real interest in it to even try to open that can of worms.
 

Blain

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So are the words used not inspired or inspired.
They are inspired it's just God doesn't always reveal the reason for the things he does. When he gave him those words he wanted to allow him to be able to describe it in a way that he could at that time.
I mean when I am lead to write my poems I don't know what I am writing I just write as the spirit leads I even use words I have never used and sometimes never heard of until then but the proof of it being inspired isn't knowing why he does things a certain way
 

Blain

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Hmm not sure on the asteroid being it, seems wormwood would be a less planet destructive and more of a water toxicity issue
Well since it is described as a star what he might have seen is a nuke. We live in the age of nuclear and chemical warfare it wouldn't be surprising if one was made that did this exact thing. The toxicity of radiation works the exact same way as described about wormwood
 
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Believe me when I say that the end ytimes and bible prophecy in general is the meat of all meats and for good reason. Bible scholars have studies for years and still are unable to unravel the entire thing in revelations alone but there is more than one book in the bible pertaining to bible prophecy specifically and in most of the symbolism is the main code of the usage so it is not always to interpret.
You have to have a real interest in it to even try to open that can of worms.
I dont really have an interest in the end times but I sure would like to know when it is lol.
@Blain did you watch that video by any chance??
 

Blain

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I dont really have an interest in the end times but I sure would like to know when it is lol.
@Blain did you watch that video by any chance??
I was about to also out of curiosity what were the dreams you had if you don't mind me asking I have had quite a few myself
 

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Here is the kicker:
They have it already built, every piece down to the original. They claim it would take 2 weeks top to construct/assemble it all.
I had no idea like wow
 

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First the seals must be opened and the horsemen ride forth.
The events of the first five seals began soon after the book of Revelation was written. See the Olivet Discourse.

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I, White Horse (Rev 6:1,2)
Horseman with bow and crown
bow = attacks on Bible truth
crown = usurped authority
“conquering and to conquer”
False Christs (including popes) (Mt 24:5)
False Prophets (Mt 24:11)


2. Red Horse (Rev 6:3,4)
Horseman with great sword
“take peace from the earth,
kill one another”
Sword = warfare
Wars, rumours of wars, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom (Mt 24:6,7)

3. Black Horse (Rev 6:5,6)
Horseman with pair of balances
“a measure of wheat for a penny,
Three measure of barley for a penny”
Famine
...And there shall be famines (Mt 24:7)


4. Pale Horse (Rev 6:7,8)
Horsemen; Death and Hades
“Kill with the sword, with hunger, with death, with beasts of the earth”
Death
...pestilences, earthquakes, martyrdom, executions, betrayals
(Mt 24:7-12)
Hades
The majority of those who have died are in Hades

The fifth seal focuses on Christian martyrs, of which there were plenty under Roman persecution, and have been ever since.

As to the nearness of the end (meaning the Second Coming of Christ) we know for a fact that Orthodox Jews in Israel have made detailed preparations for the building of the third temple in Jerusalem. It must be built before the Antichrist takes control. We also know that the Great Apostasy within Christendom has come into effect, and the majority of denominations have departed from Bible truth.
 

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So I am watching the video posted by Ruby and I am shocked. I had a dream similar to this guys experience in 2018. I was in space looking at earth and I see a giant asteroid zoom by and crash into earth causing ripples all over the planet cutting off all power and electricity and then the ripples rewind and the ripples covered the earth again. the next night I had a dream exactly like it but it was aliens that went to earth this time.

I had forgotten about it until now
 
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Not to stir the pot as most of you know how much that bothers me but as for the rapture tribulation and the end times in general how near do you really think it is? Granted I know there is mass diversity of the timing of the rapture and the book of revelkations unfolding but lets say for the topic of discussion that say the rapture was to be the first thing to happen since most of us already believe we have been in the end times since Jesus rose from the dead.


How close do you think it could actually be? what signs might point to this and what scripture and evidence could possibly prove this?
And for everyone who doesn't believe in the pretrib rapture what do you think is next? how close might it be and what signs evidence and scriptures might help to prove this? The way the world is going I think it is wise to pay attention to the book of revelations more than ever and while I pray this doesn't turn into a blood shed debate I hope we can discuss things and look at different points of views together learn and grow and maybe even be more aware of these times than before.
I'm Amillennial and believe Christ's return could be any day. Revelation 20 shows an overview of the New Covenant era from when Christ first bound Satan with the gospel. Satan has been loosed as is attacking the church with heresy and the world's false teachings and philosophies. Armageddon is the symbol of the spiritual war we fight just before the Lord returns.
 
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Not to stir the pot as most of you know how much that bothers me but as for the rapture tribulation and the end times in general how near do you really think it is?

How close do you think it could actually be? what signs might point to this and what scripture and evidence could possibly prove this?
God has to end this sin business on earth one day, but He will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the man of sin, and when they take his mark then salvation is no longer available to them and He will put down the world, and have His people with Him.

God warns the saints of the new age movement which will come out at the latter times, and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and evolved to be an ascended master and avatar, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.

Forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction.

Command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

Took prayer out of school and taught evolution, and science confirms evolution.

On the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

The time will come the world will want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement, evolution is religion.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked.

Hegel System, sets up 2 opposing forces for it gets everyone involved for they will choose a side, and then cooperation between the 2 opposing forces, brings the people together and a new system.

Russia and America, Republican and Democrat, are actually working together as the 2 opposing forces, and they will start cooperating with each other and start bringing the world together, but other nations are with them.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

After WW1, set up League of Nations.

After WW2, set up United Nations, New York, United Religions, San Francisco.

Desert Storm, George Bush talked of a new world order and peace for the world, and how the world would react towards Saddam Hussein.

President Trump wants the United Nations to take a more active role in the world, and for the nations to step it up and work for peace in the world.

Pushes for peace in the Middle East between Jews and Palestinians more than any other president.

The nations will eventually come together and say Peace and safety as they work for peace on earth, and Paul said the saints will not be deceived by that for they know it is not the operation of God, and Jesus will deliver the saints from the temptation that shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon earth, for they have a decision to make to get with God or follow the world.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East between the Jews and Palestinians which will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land so he can deceive them in the future claiming to be their God and Messiah, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The Jews will rebuild their temple and go back to animal sacrifices with no hassle from the Palestinians, and the Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

When the nations come together, and the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East the 7 years period will begin.

For the first three and one half years the New Age Christ will work as a great man of peace, and push the agenda of the new age movement to prepare the world for when he claims to be God, and cause it to be popular.

The world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Repentance and salvation are still available to the world for the first three and one half years, so the saints will remain on earth, which Paul said the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until the world stops the preaching of the Gospel, which is the falling away first, and the man of sin claims to be God.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to repent of their sins, and turn to God, and stop their going by the new age movement exalting themselves, and realize they cannot achieve peace on earth by their own efforts.

An example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.

WW2, set up United Nations, United Religions, did not turn to God.

And that pattern will continue until the war of Islam against the world for they stopped Islam from being preached too.

Islam and the world clash, and that war is so terrible that it left the world without hope, and the 10 horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace.

After the 6th trumpet they do not repent of their sins, and turn to God, but accept the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth, and God allows the man of sin to rule over them, and deceive them to follow him.

The New Age Christ will claim to be the Jews God and Messiah, and addresses the world that he harnessed the power of nature, and evolved to be greater and spiritual, and the false prophet will do miracles in the sight of people to convince them the New Age Christ did receive power through nature, and shared this power with the false prophet, and will share this power with all who follow him.

When the world follows the man of sin, and takes his mark, then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world.

For the last three and one half years God will send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, and at the end of that time Israel as a nation will be in the truth.

For the last three and one half years the beast makes war against the saints, and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall accomplish to scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished.

Then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, and then puts down all rule, authority, and power, and the kingdoms of the earth become the kingdoms of Christ.

The wrath of God shall be poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon which Jesus comes back with all the saints, and defeats the world, and saves Israel.

The millennial reign of Christ shall begin, and Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem along with the saints, and the kingdom restored to Israel, and the heathen that God spared have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD, and keep the feast of tabernacles to stay right with God.

Then at the end of the millennial reign heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints will be at the New Jerusalem, a place where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and the former earth and heaven shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, for it is associated with sin and rebellion, and the angels and saints will feel as if they have always been there and nowhere else.

And so shall they be forever with the Lord, Amen.

America and Russia will start cooperating with each other, and Republican and Democrat will start cooperating with each other, for they were working together all along, for the 2 opposing forces cover the ways of people, and then they cooperate and it brings the people together for they will go along with the 2 opposing forces with a new system the traits of both systems, which they believe is a better system, and causes the people to harmonize.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, out of many, one, which they can only do that by having 2 opposing forces then cooperation for they cannot go about it one sided.

And the beauty of the Hegel System is people do not think there is a plan going on, and the closer they get to cooperating they start turning on the heat to further cause the people to think there is no plan going on because of their opposition, and then when they start cooperating people think it is the best thing to do.

And chaos is what will cause them to start cooperating like this coronavirus.

That is why the Republicans and Democrats are in opposition more than the past, and Trump is outgoing the way he is for they are turning up the heat for the time is soon to start cooperating, and to start getting the nations to come together, and produce the New Age Christ, which they do not believe he will help them until the nations come together as one and work for peace one earth.

So they are going to cause that to happen the nations coming together.

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