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Prety sure you are just here to argue

Joshua wrote down what he saw and thought. Again, If I was him, I would think the sun stopped to,

Again, We know today that is not true. But if you want to keep this up Well I can not help you
Pretty sure you are too lol.

What if rather Joshua and God are right and the Sun stopped moving, and so did the Moon; and merely the people today are the ones that are a combination of liars and morons?
 
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if one looked at reality, if the sun stopped where it was. and the plannets continued to move. each planet would end up losing its orbit around the sun, Because the whole solar system rotates, And each planet rotates around the sun, And each planet rotates on its axis

The rotation on ones axis is what causes night and day, NOT the rotation of the sun
 
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Pretty sure you are too lol.

What if rather Joshua and God are right and the Sun stopped moving, and so did the Moon; and merely the people today are the ones that are a combination of liars and morons?
if the sun stopped moving then the earth would have had to stop moving also, as would all the other planets. If it (the earth) continued to rotate, Unless the sun followed the earths rotation. Night would still happen.
 
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if one looked at reality, if the sun stopped where it was. and the plannets continued to move. each planet would end up losing its orbit around the sun, Because the whole solar system rotates, And each planet rotates around the sun, And each planet rotates on its axis

The rotation on ones axis is what causes night and day, NOT the rotation of the sun
If this is true then Joshua is a liar.

If what Joshua recorded is true, then this all has to be the lie.

Which one is the lie and which is the truth?


if the sun stopped moving then the earth would have had to stop moving also, as would all the other planets. If it (the earth) continued to rotate, Unless the sun followed the earths rotation. Night would still happen.
What if the earth was established that it does not move?
 

Rondonmon

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the seasons would still happen but areas of earth that had never had snow would get snow and areas that are cold would see hot climate.

The Milky Way Galaxy was formed before earth or the solar system star/sun, which has all kinds of lights that shine on earth as well not enough for photosynthesis yet enough to shine on.

Well the lesser light I don’t believe is the moon but the core buried under the crust of earth.
If you go to YOUTUBE and watch the video it will tell you the earth would be uninhabitable, only a small sliver around the equator would not be frozen with Ice or have violent weather 24/7/365. The Sun and earth are in the Milkway so some were formed before and I assume some after the Sun which of course is only a star like all the other stars.

Of course the lesser light is the moon, we see via the moon at night else it would be pitch black at night.
 
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If you go to YOUTUBE and watch the video it will tell you the earth would be uninhabitable, only a small sliver around the equator would not be frozen with Ice or have violent weather 24/7/365. The Sun and earth are in the Milkway so some were formed before and I assume some after the Sun which of course is only a star like all the other stars.

Of course the lesser light is the moon, we see via the moon at night else it would be pitch black at night.
God created the earth on day 3. God created the stars, the Sun, and the Moon on day 4.

Perhaps youtube has it all wrong and the Bible just happens to have it all right.
 

Rondonmon

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That's quite thoroughly laughable. Your moon-earth collision is nothing but speculation. Calling it "fact" is self-delusion.

When you want to get back to discussing actual historical events, let me know.
Your YEC is laughable brother, I find it amusing tbh, that any grown man would actually buy into that. You will find out when you get to heaven you are wrong, the whole YEC is nonsensical, we see light from stars billions of light-years away but of course, the universe is 6000 years old. I actually do study these things, you just follow other men's beliefs it seems. You will be in for a giant surprise when you get to heaven.

The Moon and the Earth didn't collide, good grief.
 
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If this is true then Joshua is a liar.

If what Joshua recorded is true, then this all has to be the lie.

Which one is the lie and which is the truth?
Joshua wrote what he saw, To him, the sun stopped moving.. It does not make him a liar.




What if the earth was established that it does not move?
Then it would eventually lose its orbit around the sun, because the sun would continue to rotate around the center of the galaxy
 

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Love ya sis, DO not want to put any enmity between us because we disagree here. Not that it would. But you know how things get sometimes..lol
I agree and there isn´t any enmity between us...to be honest, I haven´t been here in quite a while and I am upset to see that those whom I used to get along with, I can´t seem to get along with now...
 
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Jpshua wrote what he saw, To him, the sun stopped moving.. It does not make him a liar.




Then it would eventually lose its orbit around the sun, because the sun would continue to rotate around the center of the galaxy
Are you sure Joshua didn't just write what actually happened? I mean after all Joshua himself commanded the Sun to stand still and the Moon to stand still. He didn't command the earth to do anything. It even says that never before was there anything like it that God had respect enough to a man to do this.

Well what if the earth is not even in orbit around the sun? What if there is no center of the galaxy? What if all these things are just lies that men more recent in time made and God is true?
 
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I agree and there isn´t any enmity between us...to be honest, I haven´t been here in quite a while and I am upset to see that those whom I used to get along with, I can´t seem to get along with now...
it is sad that people take things so personally. I think it is one reason the world looks at us and laughs.
 

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God created the earth on day 3. God created the stars, the Sun, and the Moon on day 4.
WRONG.........God created the Earth and Sun on day 2, you can't have a Planet without a Sun to hold it in orbit. Do you know what FIRMAMENT MEANS? Skies, so in verse 7 where God says let the Skies divide the Waters in the Skies {Moisture/Rain} from the Waters BELOW the Skies {Oceans}. So the earth was already in place on DAY TWO, which means the Sun was in place also. The Heavens are the Skies, there are THREE Heavens, our Biosphere Dome, thee Universe Skies and God's Heaven outside our universe.

Gen. 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Perhaps youtube has it all wrong and the Bible just happens to have it all right.
Sure, we can't calculate how the weather would be without a moon......perhaps you have it wrong. Its not hard to calculate these events.
 

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It added about as much and was about as intellectual of a reply to the conversation as this quote did
I added more knowledge in my first post than is in the rest of this whole thread.

In the end, you are in error, and the facts are you lose so many souls you might could win by telling them the earth is 6000 years old, when its not, and many young people will not even let you in the door, because of that, and that is sad, because our A-1 job is to win souls. And when you get to heaven you will see the YEC was not of God.
 
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WRONG.........God created the Earth and Sun on day 2, you can't have a Planet without a Sun to hold it in orbit. Do you know what FIRMAMENT MEANS? Skies, so in verse 7 where God says let the Skies divide the Waters in the Skies {Moisture/Rain} from the Waters BELOW the Skies {Oceans}. So the earth was already in place on DAY TWO, which means the Sun was in place also. The Heavens are the Skies, there are THREE Heavens, our Biosphere Dome, thee Universe Skies and God's Heaven outside our universe.

Gen. 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.



Sure, we can't calculate how the weather would be without a moon......perhaps you have it wrong. Its not hard to calculate these events.
Yes, the firmament is the heavens.

I don't understand why you crossed all that out, all of that is correct, you just need to keep reading the next verses.

Genesis 1:9-13

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
 
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I added more knowledge in my first post than is in the rest of this whole thread.

In the end, you are in error, and the facts are you lose so many souls you might could win by telling them the earth is 6000 years old, when its not, and many young people will not even let you in the door, because of that, and that is sad, because our A-1 job is to win souls. And when you get to heaven you will see the YEC was not of God.
yawn

In your view

But you were not there. So you can give all the information you think it was required. does not prove a thing.

And your comment YEC is not from God. Well thats just childish. and adds nothing to the conversation. which is why the use responded to you the way they did.
 
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Are you sure Joshua didn't just write what actually happened? I mean after all Joshua himself commanded the Sun to stand still and the Moon to stand still. He didn't command the earth to do anything. It even says that never before was there anything like it that God had respect enough to a man to do this.

Well what if the earth is not even in orbit around the sun? What if there is no center of the galaxy? What if all these things are just lies that men more recent in time made and God is true?
you know what the problem is

Science proves this theory wrong. and I showed you why there a major problem with this thinking

so when you go tell people that the sun stood still and the earth kept moving, And makes you (and us) look bad.

Once again, Joshua asked for and wrote what he saw, In his view, the siu stood still. Because it did not move in the sky but stayed put.

If the earth kept rotating. this is an impossibility. No matter how bad you want it to be true
 
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you know what the problem is

Science proves this theory wrong. and I showed you why there a major problem with this thinking

so when you go tell people that the sun stood still and the earth kept moving, And makes you (and us) look bad.

Once again, Joshua asked for and wrote what he saw, In his view, the siu stood still. Because it did not move in the sky but stayed put.

If the earth kept rotating. this is an impossibility. No matter how bad you want it to be true
Maybe science falsely so-called is lying and the Bible is right.

Should I be ashamed of what God did and Joshua says just because some people might think I look bad?

Well, again, what if the earth was established that it does not move?

What if no matter how much you want a lie to be true so that you don't look bad in front of a bunch of infidels, heretics, and liars, that just simply Joshua says the Sun stood still and so did the Moon just like he commanded and God permitted?
 
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Maybe science falsely so-called is lying and the Bible is right.

Should I be ashamed of what God did and Joshua says just because some people might think I look bad?

Well, again, what if the earth was established that it does not move?

What if no matter how much you want a lie to be true so that you don't look bad in front of a bunch of infidels, heretics, and liars, that just simply Joshua says the Sun stood still and so did the Moon just like he commanded and God permitted?
good day sir

I no longer wish to continue with this conversation.

You go ahead and believe what you want