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dcontroversal said:
And he uses the phrase....AS SOME SLANDEROUSLY REPORT...

Judges SLANDERS those who rightfully believe in a 100% grace/faith based eternal NON LOSABLE salvation....!!
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It was slanderous of Paul because he did not teach that you could go back to unbelief and you remain saved.
But you do.
The accusation is true in your case, so it's not slanderous.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Same style of Ralph....next he will accuse Jesus of sinning because he ate with whores, drunks and Pharisees.......wonder if he watches commercials about condoms, gays, lesbians, women in bras and panties etc....or how about billboards on highways that promote sex shops or strip joints.......he is such a hypocrite peddling a self saving religion that a blind man without echo location can peg him down!
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How are any of these things equal to actually viewing Netflix (Hulu, etc.) porn, genitals and all?
Looks like you're trying to excuse watching porn.
Are you?
 
dcontroversal said:
Eternal life is eternal genius and the GIFTS (PLURAL) OF God are irrevocably given...
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Both, eternal life being eternal, and the gifts being irrevocable are true, just not as you define and apply them.
You have un-rightly divided these truths out from the whole context of scripture and made them mean what you want them to mean.
Not you, specifically. I know this horrible Freegrace doctrine was not invented by you.
 
Judges1318 said:
As you probably know, Moses was raised up and appointed by God to lead His people out of the slavery and bondage of Egypt.
He is a type and shadow of how Jesus was raised up and appointed by God to lead His people out of the slavery and bondage of sin.
Along the way, Moses was cut off from entering into the inheritance because of the sin of the people.
They go in while Moses gets cut off.
This is a picture for us of how Jesus was also cut off because of our sin.
He got cut off while we who sinned enter in.

Remember, Moses is a picture of the reality, Christ.
Don't overthink it and ruin this wonderful glimpse into the penalty Christ endured because of us who sinned.
Watch, some will.
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Ok, so are you comparing Moses being cut off to Jesus in the sense of how on the cross Jesus paid the penalty for our sins? Is that what you are saying?
 
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CherieR said:
Ok, so are you comparing Moses being cut off to Jesus in the sense of how on the cross Jesus paid the penalty for our sins? Is that what you are saying?
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Yes.
We are the ones who deserve to not enter in because of our sin, yet it is Jesus who gets cut off.
Go figure.
But that's God's grace for you!
 
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gb9 said:
looks like you look for any and every excuse to accuse others...
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Defensiveness about sin is a sign you are dealing with an unbeliever. Meaning, a person who has not yet entered into a spiritual relationship with Christ. They may have Nicodemus' 'water only' birth, but they do not have the 'by the Spirit' birth yet. Freegrace doctrine is especially dangerous because it rationalizes sin and doesn't bring the conviction necessary to move a person from the end of themselves into a saving, spiritual relationship with Christ.

So tell me, in Freegrace doctrine, why is God's grace so wonderful in salvation (and it surely is!) but then falls flat on it's face in bringing a person to obedience? In Freegrace doctrine the focus is always on you being able to stay in sin and excusing it in the name of grace instead of the focus being on Christ bringing you out of the bondage of sin and into the glorious freedom of the children of God. I guess in Freegrace 'freedom' means freedom from responsibility for your sin, not freedom from being enslaved by your sin.
 
EleventhHour said:
Thank you.

I am indeed outside of you "non-saving gospel" that is for sure...... and thankfully it puts me in the company of the many on here who actually preach the TRUE GOSPEL.
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Are you in an epic struggle with sin, or have you rationalized it and accepted it in the name of grace?
 
CherieR said:
This is your belief about @EleventhHour and I believe that your assessment is incorrect.

In Romans 14:4 ( NKJV ) it states: "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand."
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I am Biblically entitled to consider someone a brother/sister or not.
There are several scriptures that explain this.
What I can not do, and which I'm not doing is condemning them to hell, for as long as there is breath there is hope.
I'm simply deciding in my own heart if I should consider them a fellow believer or not as the Bible instructs me and you to do.
I'm mainly doing that here so she and others can be loosed from this dangerous doctrine of Freegrace that rationalizes slavery to sin in the name of grace instead of recognizing it as a sign a person has not come to the end of themselves yet and been born again.

But anyway, I respect your assessment of her spiritual condition.
You are certainly entitled to discern her spiritual status the way you will, just as I am able to also.
 
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