Explain, "The unpardonable sin".

[seed_time_harvest]

If a person doesn’t care AT all to come to GOD and the only way to come to GOD IS In truth repenting from the heart would that be a pardonable sin for that person or would It be unpardonable?

 

[cv5]

That is not true. The Holy Spirit never takes over our choice to choose and there is no scripture that says so. We maintain our free will no matter what. Look at Judas, He went out with the 12 and then the 70 and cast out demons and healed to sick and infirm even though he would be the one who would betray Christ. Even after spending 3 years hanging out with Christ.
Luk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
According to Luke 10:20 the names of the disciples were already written in heaven and that includes Judas
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
Judas himself healed to sick and cast out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit that Christ gave them to use to glorify God yet even after being a part of casting out demons and healing the sick by the power of the Holy Spirit, JUDAS STILL CHOSE TO BETRAY CHRIST.
In these last verses 3 verses Christ tell the twelve that their reward can not be lost under the circumstances described by Christ in all of Matthew chapter 10.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Judas was among those twelve but Judas choose to betray Christ even after Christ gave him power by the Holy Spirit to cast out demons and heal the sick. So by the standerds set forth by the above scrptures we never loose the gift of free will and we can choose to turn our backs on Christ even after receiving the Holy Spirit. The name of Judas was already written in heaven before he betrayed Christ and we know his name was removed from heaven after he betrayed Christ.

You are wrong about Judas being saved. Judas was never saved. And Jesus gave him an open invitation for salvation right to the bitter end. Judas never lost his salvation because he never had it to begin with. The concept of being born the son of perdition is well beyond the human mind to grasp, but it is certainly Scriptural nevertheless. And it is certainly not God's faults that he knows the end from the beginning.

 

[massorite]

You are wrong about Judas being saved. Judas was never saved. And Jesus gave him an open invitation for salvation right to the bitter end. Judas never lost his salvation because he never had it to begin with. The concept of being born the son of perdition is well beyond the human mind to grasp, but it is certainly Scriptural nevertheless. And it is certainly not God's faults that he knows the end from the beginning.

Talk is cheap. Without scripture to back your claim up, you opinion is nothing more then your imagination with no backbone in it.

 

[Blade]

I can see and understand where if you reject Christ.. there is no forgiveness there. Yet everything every word Christ speaks means something and He said speaks against" . We talk about against the holy Spirit but.. who's interpition are we using on this? Ive seen works of the Holy Spirit where loving believers have made fun of that. Spoke against it. That means no forgiveness? Na.. I think they were blind. Christ said if you were blind you would have no sin.

Right after this Jesus said "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.".. has to have some meaning in all this

The Father is REAL. the Son is REAL...and oh the Holy Spirit is real. And .. I think believe He is so real that you will know, get warned before crossing that bridge.

 

[CS1]

Talk is cheap. Without scripture to back your claim up, you opinion is nothing more then your imagination with no backbone in it.

why are you rude ? lol I can ask you is speaking on the story line that is recorded in scripture using scripture?
When Jesus spoke to the disciples and Judas being there nothing Jesus said was including him( Judas ) ?.

did not Judas Himself ask Jesus "is it I" after Jesus told them one of you will betray me. Did not Judas have an opportunity to not do it?

 

[ScottyPchristian]

Ok talk is cheap. Put some scriptures where you mouth is. Prove me wrong by using scripture.
By your way of thinking God created some to suffer in hell for an eternity and some he created to live in Heaven for an eternity and if that is the case then what is the point of salvation. We shouldn't even need to be saved by Christ because we would already be saved from our mothers womb or for others they would have been predistened to suffer in hell from the womb of their mother so what would be the point of God creating any soul knowing He created that soul to suffer horrible pain and agony for an eternity.
No way Hosae you are wacked out.

OK, it's obvious that your an Arminian and I'm a Calvinist so we have to part ways. The debate has been raging for over 500 years, by highly educated theologians and we're no closer to any agreement. You and I don't know much about the subject so it's better we just leave it alone, because you follow the Arminian teachers and I follow the Calvinists and none of us will give an inch

 

[seed_time_harvest]

first off, you have to be imparting something. Why don't you just stay with what Jesus said about "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" ? He is the authority on the subject. The words " unpardonable sin" are not in the word of God. A child is immature. IF you read the word of God, Jesus knew the thoughts of the pharisees who equated the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil YET they said so in ignorance. The Pharisees never mentioned the Holy Spirit only Jesus because it was said of Him He was the Son of David . They sought to discredit Jesus. That is when Jesus said in :

Matthew 12:30-32:
Mark 3:38-30
Luke 12:10

You are eliciting to make your point and that is wrong.

I wish I had used the word "communicating"Instead of the word "Imparting"
I was hoping Someone would get some If even a little bit,Some understanding of why some sins are pardonable and some sins are not pardonable and that's why I tried to relate "communicate"my feelings on why some sins are pardonable and some are not and In my opinion If you didn't really mean It then It was forgivable but If you really mean It then It's baked In and you can ask that person when they are mad or when they are not mad and they will still reject GOD.
IE Atheist

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM must worship HIM In Spirit and In truth.
Paul repented the Pharisees rejected GOD.

 

[cv5]

Ok talk is cheap. Put some scriptures where you mouth is. Prove me wrong by using scripture.
By your way of thinking God created some to suffer in hell for an eternity and some he created to live in Heaven for an eternity and if that is the case then what is the point of salvation. We shouldn't even need to be saved by Christ because we would already be saved from our mothers womb or for others they would have been predistened to suffer in hell from the womb of their mother so what would be the point of God creating any soul knowing He created that soul to suffer horrible pain and agony for an eternity.
No way Hosae you are wacked out.

Mathematically, conflict resolution and paradoxes are easily resolved in higher dimensional spaces. We of course are consigned to a merely three-dimensional space.

So let us not feel too bad if we don't have it quite figured out yet. Nevertheless foreordination and free will choice are both demonstrated and taught in Scripture. And I'm quite convinced that no one knows exactly where to draw the line. All that I know for sure is that God wants all men to be saved, and He has saved a remnant foreordained from the foundation of the world.

1 Cor 1:25
This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.

Rom 11:33
Oh, how great are God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways!

 

[massorite]

OK, it's obvious that your an Arminian and I'm a Calvinist so we have to part ways. The debate has been raging for over 500 years, by highly educated theologians and we're no closer to any agreement. You and I don't know much about the subject so it's better we just leave it alone, because you follow the Arminian teachers and I follow the Calvinists and none of us will give an inch

Sorry but I don't know a single thing about any kind of Arminian or Calvinists so I don't know what your talking about there. Everything I know about the Word Of God came from my studies and research. I don't know why but a lot of folks on CC have tried to pin a label on me claiming that I must have been taught or influenced by this group or that group and they all, like yourself claim to be aligned with this group or that group that teach that way or the other way. What ever happened to learning about the Word Of God strictly from the Word of God? Why is it that so many seem to disbelieve that when I tells them I learned everything I know about the Word of God strictly from the Word of God. I have never been to any kind of Christian school, Seminary, collage, university or any other Christian educational system since the day I was saved. Nor have I ever been influenced by any denominational doctrinal belief system of any kind. I learned about study tools and picked what I considered to be books of integrity put together by men of God who were very educated in theology, apologetics and the languages of Greek and Hebrew and those were and are still the only books I use to do research even as I sit here and post on CC and I never post anything without scripture to put backbone in anything I post when it comes to Doctrine. Why is it so hard for folks here on CC to believe that a person has been self educated about the Word of God and has never been influenced in any way by nothing but the word of God?
I am not like you. I will change the way I think about a biblical doctrinal belief but not without scripture to prove you point or that I am wrong. Any scripture that any person on CC uses to prove they are right and post it in a posts it for me to read I will first research every single word in that verse before I make my reply and if they are trying to "pull a rabbit out of a hat" with that scripture and it doesn't prove their point I will let them know. I don't do commentaries Calvin's because they are nothing more then another mans opinion. I research exactly the way God instructed me to.
Whatever happened to learning about that Word of God from nothing but the Word of God?

 

[tantalon]

It is very obvious no one knows the answer for the question, regarding the UNPARDONABLE SIN, although it is plain in the wording of the text. There needs to be a realization that the WORDING of the text gives the proper interpretation of the text. KJV.

 

[ScottyPchristian]

Sorry but I don't know a single thing about any kind of Arminian or Calvinists so I don't know what your talking about there. Everything I know about the Word Of God came from my studies and research. I don't know why but a lot of folks on CC have tried to pin a label on me claiming that I must have been taught or influenced by this group or that group and they all, like yourself claim to be aligned with this group or that group that teach that way or the other way. What ever happened to learning about the Word Of God strictly from the Word of God? Why is it that so many seem to disbelieve that when I tells them I learned everything I know about the Word of God strictly from the Word of God. I have never been to any kind of Christian school, Seminary, collage, university or any other Christian educational system since the day I was saved. Nor have I ever been influenced by any denominational doctrinal belief system of any kind. I learned about study tools and picked what I considered to be books of integrity put together by men of God who were very educated in theology, apologetics and the languages of Greek and Hebrew and those were and are still the only books I use to do research even as I sit here and post on CC and I never post anything without scripture to put backbone in anything I post when it comes to Doctrine. Why is it so hard for folks here on CC to believe that a person has been self educated about the Word of God and has never been influenced in any way by nothing but the word of God?
I am not like you. I will change the way I think about a biblical doctrinal belief but not without scripture to prove you point or that I am wrong. Any scripture that any person on CC uses to prove they are right and post it in a posts it for me to read I will first research every single word in that verse before I make my reply and if they are trying to "pull a rabbit out of a hat" with that scripture and it doesn't prove their point I will let them know. I don't do commentaries Calvin's because they are nothing more then another mans opinion. I research exactly the way God instructed me to.
Whatever happened to learning about that Word of God from nothing but the Word of God?

I'm not sure about your standing before the Lord, you claim to be saved but I don't get the sense that you belong to the body of Christ in a local Church.
Saved people aren't islands or rouge sheep. I get the sense that you don't even have a shepherd to teach you about God.
There are billions who claim to be saved, but the interesting thing is they all seem to believe in entirely different gods. The One true God said, there's only one way and One God yet we have all these people claiming to believe in that One true God but they all have different beliefs about who He is.
I worry when I hear someone base their salvation on their private interpretation of the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to lead us sheep, so it's very dangerous when a sheep goes off on it's own. The hungry lion devours it in no time at all.
I used to attend a Catholic Church, where the priest made a good point to me when I asked him why he doesn't encourage the congregation to study the Bible. He said the problem with that idea is, "you give the Bible to 10 people and they will came back with 10 different views.
He went on to explain that, the biggest mistake the Catholic Church made, was to release the Bible into the wider population. He said the result is, we now have 40,000 different denominations all claiming to possess the truth yet all disagreeing with each other.
So you can see the dilemma with private interpretations, you trust in your own understanding but God said in the book of Proverbs "cursed is the man who leans on his own understanding".

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It is very obvious no one knows the answer for the question, regarding the UNPARDONABLE SIN, although it is plain in the wording of the text. There needs to be a realization that the WORDING of the text gives the proper interpretation of the text. KJV.

But how do we know when the propper Interpretation has been given according to text?

 

[garee]

The unpardonable sin is "blasphemy" denying the hearing of faith that comes by hearing God. Giving that exclusive hearing or understanding that moves the believers over to another source of faith another teacher. the source of un belief . . Shown in the fall "you shall not die " the glory of God departed. In violation of the first commandment that protects the authorship of God not seen. God will not share his unseen glory with the corrupted things of men as a creature seen . One teaching Lord and Good Master eternal God not seen

 

[massorite]

I'm not sure about your standing before the Lord, you claim to be saved but I don't get the sense that you belong to the body of Christ in a local Church.
Saved people aren't islands or rouge sheep. I get the sense that you don't even have a shepherd to teach you about God.
There are billions who claim to be saved, but the interesting thing is they all seem to believe in entirely different gods. The One true God said, there's only one way and One God yet we have all these people claiming to believe in that One true God but they all have different beliefs about who He is.
I worry when I hear someone base their salvation on their private interpretation of the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to lead us sheep, so it's very dangerous when a sheep goes off on it's own. The hungry lion devours it in no time at all.
I used to attend a Catholic Church, where the priest made a good point to me when I asked him why he doesn't encourage the congregation to study the Bible. He said the problem with that idea is, "you give the Bible to 10 people and they will came back with 10 different views.
He went on to explain that, the biggest mistake the Catholic Church made, was to release the Bible into the wider population. He said the result is, we now have 40,000 different denominations all claiming to possess the truth yet all disagreeing with each other.
So you can see the dilemma with private interpretations, you trust in your own understanding but God said in the book of Proverbs "cursed is the man who leans on his own understanding".

Your wrong about me. You are assuming something about a person you have never met based on no proof at all. I have attended and have been plugged into congregations ever since I was delivered from alcohol and drugs in 1996. Its a long story but I was saved and baptize in 1973 and when I came up out of the water I loved everybody. The very first thing God gave me was an unquenchable desire to study and learn about his word. I started attending adult bible study classes at the church I got baptized in but they tried to teach me that the Lords prayer was obsolete among other false doctrinal beliefs. I did go to that church because of what kind of church it was but because I realized that I needed to turn my life over the Christ and to be baptized. Them problem was that I assumed that church was church and I had no idea there was such a thing as denominational differences. But as a baby in Christ when this church started to teach me stuff that wasn't according to what I was reading in the Word of God I would say things like, "That's not what I am reading in my bible". Anyways I ended up getting horrible rejected by that Church of Christ and I got a crippling church hurt. So I walked away from Christ thinking that if that was what Christianity was all about I didn't want any part of it. After 20+ years of living in un repented sin I had a dream one night and woke up delivered from alcohol and drugs. God picked up where I left off and I spent 8 years studying and researching the book of Revelation, 3 years on early church history and events and 4 years studying Islam and the Quran. And it was God who put this unquenchable desire to do all of this research and study all the while going to church, singing in the choir and going to bible study classes at many different churches for the last 25+ plus years. I have attended all of the major denominational churches and some back woods left field churches. The church I loved the most I attended for ten years and it is no more. God inspired me to leave that church because He saw it was about crash and burn. He protected me from that.
Today I attend a non denominational church that has been in operation for more then forty years and the congregation has a love for Christ and a sweet spirit, it has a diverse congregation and a great Pastor who does his homework. I have never been to another church that has so many biblically literate believers.
From the beginning God never intended for there to be any denominations. It was always supposed to be a theocracy. Do I agree with every doctrinal belief of the church? No and there are no perfect churches. I live by this motto, "If it is not written in the Word of God it is not"
God has blessed me with being able to see into the spirit realm a couple of times, I am not at all afraid of demons and the first time I ever saw a demon inside of a person was at that church back in 1973. An old lady suddenly turned around with a snarled up face and growled at me one day while we were sitting in the church waiting for the service to get started. Back then I didn't understand what was going on but today I do. God was letting me see how afraid of me satan was because of the condition of my heart.
I study from the Strongs, the Thayers Greek English Lexicon. the BDB Hebrew English Lexicon the Companion Bible the Geneva bible the JP Greens Interlinear Bible the Holman's Bible dictionary and many more. I have reda through the Bible 9 times and while I am reading through the Bible I stop and research anything I want to know more about or anything that catches my eye. I am not an Island but I am self taught and I use some of the best study tools that can be found and it was God who inspired me to self teach. Especially when there are so many Pastors who teach and preach non biblical garbage. I learned long ago that not everything a Pastor says can be trusted to be the truth.

 

[massorite]

I'm not sure about your standing before the Lord, you claim to be saved but I don't get the sense that you belong to the body of Christ in a local Church.
Saved people aren't islands or rouge sheep. I get the sense that you don't even have a shepherd to teach you about God.
There are billions who claim to be saved, but the interesting thing is they all seem to believe in entirely different gods. The One true God said, there's only one way and One God yet we have all these people claiming to believe in that One true God but they all have different beliefs about who He is.
I worry when I hear someone base their salvation on their private interpretation of the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to lead us sheep, so it's very dangerous when a sheep goes off on it's own. The hungry lion devours it in no time at all.
I used to attend a Catholic Church, where the priest made a good point to me when I asked him why he doesn't encourage the congregation to study the Bible. He said the problem with that idea is, "you give the Bible to 10 people and they will came back with 10 different views.
He went on to explain that, the biggest mistake the Catholic Church made, was to release the Bible into the wider population. He said the result is, we now have 40,000 different denominations all claiming to possess the truth yet all disagreeing with each other.
So you can see the dilemma with private interpretations, you trust in your own understanding but God said in the book of Proverbs "cursed is the man who leans on his own understanding".

One more thing. I could care less about what you think about my standing before the Lord. Your not God, I don't have to answer to you and you don't have the ability to see into my heart. But my Father does and my standing before Him is all I care about not my standing before you.

 

[garee]

I'm not sure about your standing before the Lord, you claim to be saved but I don't get the sense that you belong to the body of Christ in a local Church.
Saved people aren't islands or rouge sheep. I get the sense that you don't even have a shepherd to teach you about God.
There are billions who claim to be saved, but the interesting thing is they all seem to believe in entirely different gods. The One true God said, there's only one way and One God yet we have all these people claiming to believe in that One true God but they all have different beliefs about who He is.
I worry when I hear someone base their salvation on their private interpretation of the scriptures. God has appointed shepherds to lead us sheep, so it's very dangerous when a sheep goes off on it's own. The hungry lion devours it in no time at all.
I used to attend a Catholic Church, where the priest made a good point to me when I asked him why he doesn't encourage the congregation to study the Bible. He said the problem with that idea is, "you give the Bible to 10 people and they will came back with 10 different views.
He went on to explain that, the biggest mistake the Catholic Church made, was to release the Bible into the wider population. He said the result is, we now have 40,000 different denominations all claiming to possess the truth yet all disagreeing with each other.
So you can see the dilemma with private interpretations, you trust in your own understanding but God said in the book of Proverbs "cursed is the man who leans on his own understanding".

Private interpretations are our personal commentary of what we believe the Holy Spirt is teaching. Catholicism turns that upside down and attempts to make their private interpretation the greatest even calling it a Devine sacred oral tradition that do make the interpretation of God without effect .Seeing no man can serve two teaching masters .

Sounds like the wiles of the another christ (anti) or another teaching master other than the Spirit of Christ who does dwell in each individual and lovingly commands each one to study to show themselves approved to the one not seen as the one source of Christian faith .he warns us ( 1 John 2:27-28 )of the antichrists many they say we do need a man to teach us and comforts us by informing us to abide in Him as he teaches us and bring to our memory the things he has taught us.

Catholicism is a dark place in need of the light of the gospel. Those who seek after worker with familiar spirits that are called patron saints have no light unto their feet no good foundation

No such thing a non denominational to those who walk or understand by a faith that exclusively comes from hearing God. The first denomination on this side of the cross is called the Nazarene or the Way .There are 7 sects listed in Revelation that make up the church unseen spiritual house of God.

Catholics have another teaching master or authority other than all thing written in the law and prophets(sola scriptura) as oral traditions of men. Their kind of faith is in respect to necromancy seeking workers familiar spirits as the one teaching masters made up of a legion of corrupted mankind called fathers making the work of our unseen Holy Father in heaven without effect. The commandment to call no man on earth father has no effect to those who have legion (3500) and rising .

The word seek below is used in two way the first to represent those who seek after workers with familiar spirits (patron saints) as necromancy. Rachel was used in that way when she hid the idol images used to commune with the legion.

The second use of the word seek comes from the work of God with us within the believer doing the will of of father working in us.

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isiah 8:19-20

 

[ScottyPchristian]

One more thing. I could care less about what you think about my standing before the Lord. Your not God, I don't have to answer to you and you don't have the ability to see into my heart. But my Father does and my standing before Him is all I care about not my standing before you.

Thank you for confirming what I suspected all along. Christ created His Church and all you want to do is attack it.

 

[presidente]

(This sin has nothing to do with unbelief, Jesus himself, God the Father, or personal sins of the flesh).

According to Matthew 12 and parallel passages, the unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. People are confused about what that means because 'blasphemy' is a little used word. But Jesus in the Matthew version rewords it for us-- "but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him ".

Augustine wrote a nauseatingly long argument in which he argued against the possiblity of blaspheming the Holy Spirit by unreasonably redefining a wide array of things as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, then arguing against a plain sense understanding of what it means.

Many people are influenced by this, so we have people now defining blaspheming the Holy Spirit redefined as unbelief, rejecting the gospel, dying in unbelief, or just something impossible to do. The idea of a sin being unforgivable does not fit with some people's systematic theology or else is so scarey they seek to do away with it from their doctrine.

But we can see what the Lord Jesus was warning against. In this particular case, those opposing Him were saying He cast out devils by Beelzebub. The Spirit by Whom He was casting out demons was the Holy Spirit, but they equated the Spirit with the prince of devils.

We should be careful not to speak ill of the Spirit or to accuse Him of being a devil when we see His works.

 

[ScottyPchristian]

Private interpretations are our personal commentary of what we believe the Holy Spirt is teaching. Catholicism turns that upside down and attempts to make their private interpretation the greatest even calling it a Devine sacred oral tradition that do make the interpretation of God without effect .Seeing no man can serve two teaching masters .

Sounds like the wiles of the another christ (anti) or another teaching master other than the Spirit of Christ who does dwell in each individual and lovingly commands each one to study to show themselves approved to the one not seen as the one source of Christian faith .he warns us ( 1 John 2:27-28 )of the antichrists many they say we do need a man to teach us and comforts us by informing us to abide in Him as he teaches us and bring to our memory the things he has taught us.

Catholicism is a dark place in need of the light of the gospel. Those who seek after worker with familiar spirits that are called patron saints have no light unto their feet no good foundation

No such thing a non denominational to those who walk or understand by a faith that exclusively comes from hearing God. The first denomination on this side of the cross is called the Nazarene or the Way .There are 7 sects listed in Revelation that make up the church unseen spiritual house of God.

Catholics have another teaching master or authority other than all thing written in the law and prophets(sola scriptura) as oral traditions of men. Their kind of faith is in respect to necromancy seeking workers familiar spirits as the one teaching masters made up of a legion of corrupted mankind called fathers making the work of our unseen Holy Father in heaven without effect. The commandment to call no man on earth father has no effect to those who have legion (3500) and rising .

The word seek below is used in two way the first to represent those who seek after workers with familiar spirits (patron saints) as necromancy. Rachel was used in that way when she hid the idol images used to commune with the legion.

The second use of the word seek comes from the work of God with us within the believer doing the will of of father working in us.

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isiah 8:19-20

I believe the RCC has evolved into something completely different to what it originally was.
The Protestant Churches got most of their theology from the RCC, we did a church history study and I was surprised find that the RCC has a very sound theological view on all the mayor Bible doctrines. So we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Yes I know we can pick it apart, but we should remember that millions of Roman Catholics are saved people.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending any of their heretical teachings. All I'm saying is that it does teach some good things,but they mix some black magic into their ceremonies.

 

[garee]

I believe the RCC has evolved into something completely different to what it originally was.
The Protestant Churches got most of their theology from the RCC, we did a church history study and I was surprised find that the RCC has a very sound theological view on all the mayor Bible doctrines. So we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Yes I know we can pick it apart, but we should remember that millions of Roman Catholics are saved people.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending any of their heretical teachings. All I'm saying is that it does teach some good things,but they mix some black magic into their ceremonies.

I would think if they refuse to obey the commandments found in sola scriptura (all things written in the law and the prophets) as the one source of Christian faith .Its a dark place no light. Its not a matter of picking them apart but bringing into the light that could draw them together with the Protestant's .

Sola scriptura is the reforming authority in any generation or reformation. It worked in both the 1st. century and 15 th.

Not on Jot or tittle will be removed and given over to a law of the fathers (oral traditions of men that they must according to the written law of the fathers call the oral tradition "Sacred Divine" it as a law of the fathers does make the tradition of God without effect. In that way no man can serve two teaching masters. One is our father, the teacher in heaven .