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Judges1318 said:
But your gospel says a person is allowed to sin any sin all they want, including going back to unbelief, because grace abounds all the more. And your gospel says how a person lives isn't a sign of them being saved or not. So why are you saying "it is obvious that he is not of God by his actions, deeds, words and twist of the word of God'?
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* but your gospel ( a lie) says that one is saved by belief alone, but then you go on to say that if one is not doing enough good works, or sins too much, then salvation can be lost.

now, most of us can see this obvious contradiction, if only you could...
 
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As an educator tp primaries I have a motto to them struggling.............
" When youve done your best just let it rest"
 
EleventhHour said:
You guys are really something else, the lengths you will go to ... just something!

Jesus told Peter his name was written in the book of life:
Luke 10:20

Peter knew who Jesus was, he announced Him as Son of the Living God.. sounds like faith to me and he denied Jesus three times in fact.
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Matthew 16:16 - Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

John 20:31 - but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. Sounds like saved to me. ;)

Also in John 13:10-11, we read - Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.”
 
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gb9 said:
* but your gospel ( a lie) says that one is saved by belief alone, but then you go on to say that if one is not doing enough good works, or sins too much, then salvation can be lost.

now, most of us can see this obvious contradiction, if only you could...
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As long as you believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sin your sins are covered.
The danger is sin can harden you to unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-13 ).
After which your sins are no longer covered by God's forgiveness, because you no longer believe in God's forgiveness.
 
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Judges1318 said:
As long as you believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sin your sins are covered.
The danger is sin can harden you to unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-13 ).
After which your sins are no longer covered by God's forgiveness, because you no longer believe in God's forgiveness.
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Half a gospel, is no Gospel at all.... your clamouring on about 'ongoing belief' means nothing because you obviously do not get it.

We are saved BY GRACE

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Half a gospel, is no Gospel at all.... your clamouring on about 'ongoing belief' means nothing because you obviously do not get it.

We are saved BY GRACE

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
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Unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Judges1318 said:
As long as you believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sin your sins are covered.
The danger is sin can harden you to unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-13 ).
After which your sins are no longer covered by God's forgiveness, because you no longer believe in God's forgiveness.
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Hebrews 3 speaks of Israel's unbelief in Yah after they were delivered from Egypt.

they grumbled , doubted , and complained all the way to canaan . then they wanted to send spies. then they refused to enter.

so, point 1- Israel never really believed . God said of them " there hearts are always going astray , and they never knew My ways'.

point 2- God did not withdraw His promise to Israel, after all the sin and unbelief , God took them to the promised land. Israel refused to enter.


so, there you go. another proof of your theological fail.
 
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gb9 said:
Hebrews 3 speaks of Israel's unbelief in Yah after they were delivered from Egypt.

they grumbled , doubted , and complained all the way to canaan . then they wanted to send spies. then they refused to enter.

so, point 1- Israel never really believed . God said of them " there hearts are always going astray , and they never knew My ways'.

point 2- God did not withdraw His promise to Israel, after all the sin and unbelief , God took them to the promised land. Israel refused to enter.


so, there you go. another proof of your theological fail.
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What happened to them was written down as an example for us.

If your heart gets hardened to unbelief you will not inherit the kingdom.
Unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom.
 
Judges1318 said:
But your gospel says a person is allowed to sin any sin all they want, including going back to unbelief, because grace abounds all the more. And your gospel says how a person lives isn't a sign of them being saved or not. So why are you saying "it is obvious that he is not of God by his actions, deeds, words and twist of the word of God'?
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Someone (like you) who does not preach "The Gospel" and you have been told this many times... is the starting point and you deny the Gospel because we are saved by Grace.

God does not reduce His grace or withhold it because of sin, nor does He does not un-save us because of sin because then Grace would NOT be Grace.

“Moreover, the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.”
- Romans 5:20

Yeah you go on about the meat of the word and you haven't figured out the milk yet.
 
Judges1318 said:
What happened to them was written down as an example for us.

If your heart gets hardened to unbelief you will not inherit the kingdom.
Unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom.
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they were not hardened by unbelief, they NEVER TRULY BELIEVED.

take you blinders off and see that.
 
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Judges1318 said:
You can't take the 'through faith' part of salvation out and still be saved.
Unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom of God.
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How ironic ....no one takes it out "belief" but you ... you take it out, you make if of no effect without result or consequence.
 
Judges1318 said:
As long as you believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sin your sins are covered.
The danger is sin can harden you to unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-13 ).
After which your sins are no longer covered by God's forgiveness, because you no longer believe in God's forgiveness.
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Hebrews 3:12-13

Out of context.. .. wrong

Failure to enter the land” is NOT the equivalent of failing to enter heaven or loosing salvation.
 
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Judges1318 said:
As long as you believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sin your sins are covered.
The danger is sin can harden you to unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-13 ).
After which your sins are no longer covered by God's forgiveness, because you no longer believe in God's forgiveness.
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And if you read the Old Testament you will see their sins had been forgiven.
 
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