Requirements of Salvation
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This was not just some random sin. In verse 20, Peter made it clear to Simon, “your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.” Peter went on to tell Simon to repent of his wickedness and said he was poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity. You call that saved? 
Verse 24 doesn’t change that and we see that Simon was fearful, but did it lead to repentance or was he only wanting to escape the consequences of his sin?
Verse 24 doesn’t change that and we see that Simon was fearful, but did it lead to repentance or was he only wanting to escape the consequences of his sin?
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Luke 18:9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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How is it that people who are unable to perfectly obey God like to make a case that you have to work to be saved? They are liars and hypocrites.
They like to boast that they are not fornicators or murderers, but what about all the other commands that they break?
The "little" sins that they commit in their thoughts and in their actions, they ignore them.
Let's talk about God's grace. And pray that He releases his supernatural strength into our lives that we may do His will. That we may bear fruits.
Let us talk about the faithfulness, patience and longsuffering of God our maker in putting up with us.
Let's talk about how Jesus took our place on the cross.
We need to encourage each other to do good, but we must understand it is only by God's strength.
So not because you are strong in certain areas of your life, you are going to tell the person who is struggling that they are not saved. You need to pray for them and encourage them. That's how it should be.
They like to boast that they are not fornicators or murderers, but what about all the other commands that they break?
The "little" sins that they commit in their thoughts and in their actions, they ignore them.
Let's talk about God's grace. And pray that He releases his supernatural strength into our lives that we may do His will. That we may bear fruits.
Let us talk about the faithfulness, patience and longsuffering of God our maker in putting up with us.
Let's talk about how Jesus took our place on the cross.
We need to encourage each other to do good, but we must understand it is only by God's strength.
So not because you are strong in certain areas of your life, you are going to tell the person who is struggling that they are not saved. You need to pray for them and encourage them. That's how it should be.
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If you think you can live in sin willfully, living an unholy life contrary to God's will and still be saved, you are wrong.
It is all about having a good conscience toward God. That is why Christ died for our sins so that we could receive atonement for them. Meaning to appease God's anger toward us because our sins. If after being forgiven of our sins and we continue on in them willfully we are told in Hebrews 10:26-31
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26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Sin accidentally happens sometimes but we are to grow in purity and faith more and more until our last day, striving to be perfect until we are actually made on the day of judgment. If we sin, repent. But to those who willfully sin thinking you can have pleasure in unrighteousness and still be saved, you will be damned just as God tells us.
It is all about having a good conscience toward God. That is why Christ died for our sins so that we could receive atonement for them. Meaning to appease God's anger toward us because our sins. If after being forgiven of our sins and we continue on in them willfully we are told in Hebrews 10:26-31
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26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Sin accidentally happens sometimes but we are to grow in purity and faith more and more until our last day, striving to be perfect until we are actually made on the day of judgment. If we sin, repent. But to those who willfully sin thinking you can have pleasure in unrighteousness and still be saved, you will be damned just as God tells us.
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Yes they also ignore that which they ought to do like 'love the Lord their God with all their mind, all their heart, all their soul, all their strength...all the time and their neighbor as themselves. By this standard, they fall woefully short and if they think they are doing pretty well, they are woefully deceived.
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Again yanking verses out of context.That passage in Hebrews is a warning to not turn from Christ by reverting back to the Levitical system for their forgiveness. Once they had come to the knowledge of forgiveness in Christ they would be spurning the precious blood of Jesus by reverting back to animal sacrifices. The backdrop was the new Hebrew converts were facing extreme pressure and persecution to deny this new faith.
Strongs is a Concordance. That means it is a back translation from Hebrew to English. What you need is a Lexicon.
The best example is BDB or Brown-Driver-Briggs for Hebrew, and Bauer or BDAG Bauer, Danker:
https://www.logos.com/product/3878/...t-and-other-early-christian-literature-3rd-ed
Further. I certainly never said anything about John the Baptist writing the John books. It was John, the beloved disciple of Jesus, who wrote them, in a simple English.
However my biggest objection to your post, is not that shuv means to turn away in Hebrew. It does mean that! However, the NT was written in Greek, and metanoia means repentance in the NT. Nor are the words perfectly the same, but close enough.
Please stop with all the red herrings, and admit that what repentance means in Hebrew is not the same word in Greek, which the NT was written in.
The best example is BDB or Brown-Driver-Briggs for Hebrew, and Bauer or BDAG Bauer, Danker:
https://www.logos.com/product/3878/...t-and-other-early-christian-literature-3rd-ed
Further. I certainly never said anything about John the Baptist writing the John books. It was John, the beloved disciple of Jesus, who wrote them, in a simple English.
However my biggest objection to your post, is not that shuv means to turn away in Hebrew. It does mean that! However, the NT was written in Greek, and metanoia means repentance in the NT. Nor are the words perfectly the same, but close enough.
Please stop with all the red herrings, and admit that what repentance means in Hebrew is not the same word in Greek, which the NT was written in.
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