creationist debate?

[eternally-gratefull]

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Could you please explain this? Are you referring to the LORDŚ REST, or the peopleś rest.

The 7th day sabaath rest

I use this passage to show how God showed us that these 6 days should be literal. When he told the children of Israel to work for 6 days (literal) and then to rest on the 7th (sabbath) Because He himself worked for 6 Days to create, and on the 7th day he himself rested

Ex 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

If each of those days of creation were anything ofther than a literal day, then what God said is not completely true, it would be deceptive

 

[miknik5]

Jesus said He saw Satan fall like lightning. That meant God tossed him at full throttle speed and he came crashing into this Earth which is his kingdom now.

If you refer to Revelation 12, you will understand that all this happened from the beginning,
further, as Ezekiel (sorry can remember chapter right now) says, this satan was the covering angel...and walked in the garden as a covering angel...so his work was to cover/protect, until the fullness would come...

The plan for mankind came from the beginning...and satan knew the plan from the beginning.
He just didn´t like the plan...

 

[miknik5]

The 7th day sabaath rest

I use this passage to show how God showed us that these 6 days should be literal. When he told the children of Israel to work for 6 days (literal) and then to rest on the 7th (sabbath) Because He himself worked for 6 Days to create, and on the 7th day he himself rested

Ex 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

If each of those days of creation were anything ofther than a literal day, then what God said is not completely true, it would be deceptive

Thank you, thatś what I thought...further, as is mentioned, none of those who belong to GOD, were supposed to work at sundown, so their work day, before the sabbath, was really during the light of day...and JESUS goes on to say, is there not 12 hours in the day...

 

[miknik5]

The Ark of Noah is way too small for Dinosaurs. But we know they factually existed. I claim it was the Creation of Genesis 1:1 and when Satan came like a fast ball from a pitcher doing a trillion miles per lightyear and he hit the face of the Earth broadside, that caused a Calamity that killed the Dinosaurs. And it sent Earth into an "Ice Age" until God's anger cooled down and He created Adam.

Again, refer to Ezekiel 28

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you, thatś what I thought...further, as is mentioned, none of those who belong to GOD, were supposed to work at sundown, so their work day, before the sabbath, was really during the light of day...and JESUS goes on to say, is there not 12 hours in the day...

amen

There is really no literal way to take each day of creation of anything other than a literal day. This "yom" argument, while it may be true it was not ALWAYS a literal day. Is uncapable of holding true in Gen 1 with all the other evidence showing it was a literal day.

 

[Diakonos]

How can this be if there was NOT yet a firmament that separated the waters above from the waters below...that would mean, prior to this that those life forms were only those that could live submerged in water...

Please refer to Genesis 1:7

Its called the "gap theory", and surprisingly it does have Biblical credibility. I encourage you to give it a chance even though it seems strange on the surface. Take a look at Isa 45:18, where it says "He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it formless and void". So It begs the question: How was is formless and void then in Genesis 1:2? If you carefully study the grammar of Genesis 1:2, It literally translates as "But the earth became formless and void".
In the Hebrew there, "But" is an adversative conjunction, denoting an opposite....and "became" is a transitive verb, denoting actionable change.
Once you notice this, another questions is begged: How?....The answer lies in the fall of Satan, perhaps the "profaning of his sanctuaries" (Ezk 28).
The gap theory would also suggest that the Earth we live on was the 2nd earth, or the re-creation of the 1st one.
Again, the intriguing verse is Isaiah 45:18: "He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it formless and void" (same Hebrew word (Tohu va Bohu)=formless and void/chaos/wasteland/uninhabitable, etc.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its called the "gap theory", and surprisingly it does have Biblical credibility. I encourage you to give it a chance even though it seems strange on the surface. Take a look at Isa 45:18, where it says "He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it formless and void". So It begs the question: How was is formless and void then in Genesis 1:2? If you carefully study the grammar of Genesis 1:2, It literally translates as "But the earth became formless and void".
In the Hebrew there, "But" is an adversative conjunction, denoting an opposite....and "became" is a transitive verb, denoting actionable change.
Once you notice this, another questions is begged: How?....The answer lies in the fall of Satan, perhaps the "profaning of his sanctuaries" (Ezk 28).
The gap theory would also suggest that the Earth we live on was the 2nd earth, or the re-creation of the 1st one.
Again, the intriguing verse is Isaiah 45:18: "He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it formless and void" (same Hebrew word (Tohu va Bohu)=formless and void/chaos/wasteland/uninhabitable, etc.

I used to be an avid gap theorist. I no longer hold to this view. There are just to. Many problems with this theory and the flood actually answers all questions thus eliminating the need for a gap theory

 

[biker]

Definitely not! My past behaviour has made everyone hate me! (& I don’t blame them). A ‘real’ Christian 🤔 “Christ in them” think I’ve may have met one, but I’m not 100% sure (they weren’t gentle meek & mild though, I can tell you that much & everyone rejected them, including me)😔

But Christ was all of what you listed plus He was a fire and brimstone preacher. He got into the faces of the hypocrites like the pharisees and scribes and had no issues calling them vipers and full of dead bones. So being Christ like is a multitude of things and much of it depends upon the circumstance at hand. imo!

 

[G2RBeliever]

I disagree @miknik5 that satan knew the plan from the beginninb!

Had he known ,I believe he would have done EVERYTHING he could have to prevent Jesus death ,if he had known THAT was the beginning of his end


When he rebelled against God ,he was cut off and cast down.....we cannot know when that was.

 

[biker]

Thats a bunch of assumptions.

Ever seen a Lebanon Cedar tree? According to the account, The behemoth had a tail like a cedar. Here is a picture of one with people standing next to it for comparison

This was no elephant or "Hippo" as many want to claim it is.

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Could also be a whale. The Behemoth is not clarified if its a land or water dweller.

 

[biker]

How can this be if there was NOT yet a firmament that separated the waters above from the waters below...that would mean, prior to this that those life forms were only those that could live submerged in water...

Please refer to Genesis 1:7

And how do we not know the fast ball God threw Satan into the Earth disrupted it to the point it had to all be redone? I just have learned that the Hebrew/Jew people, outside of their rejection of Christ, are pretting sharp when it comes to the Tanakh, and the Torah specifically.

 

[miknik5]

Thankyou all, It appears that some poster’s don’t want to have Bible discussions (on a Christian chat forum!). There are other platforms to discuss secular topics, why choose this one? Unless of course, there is an agenda😐God forbid. If Christians are discouraged from discussing The Bible, what else is there to discuss?
“They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching, breaking of bread, fellowship and prayer (and The Lord added to their number daily).
like this quote:-
“God himself has condescended to teach the way: for this very end, He came from heaven. He hath written it down in a book. O give me that book! At any price give me the Book of God!...Here is knowledge enough for me. Let me be “homo unius libri ”. (“A man of one Book”)
Wesley (paraphrased)

Who is NOT, in their response, referring to biblical scripture? Shouldn´t THE WORD of GOD be within that person, already...therefore, when they discuss the things of GOD, with others who also belong to GOD, shouldn´t both be able to bring to mind the very scripture that person is referring to?

Please, who is NOT referring to THE WORD?

 

[Reformyourself]

Well if "behaviour" is your measurement tool you will be looking for a long time, one can always find faults in others.

Yes, 9 years! It has been a long time...seek and you will find. “By their fruits you will know them” & “test every spirit, to see if it is from God”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Could also be a whale. The Behemoth is not clarified if its a land or water dweller.

“Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
16 See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
17 He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
18 His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
19 He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.

No, I do not think it could be a whale..

 

[biker]

I used to be an avid gap theorist. I no longer hold to this view. There are just to. Many problems with this theory and the flood actually answers all questions thus eliminating the need for a gap theory

But the Flood of Noah was not long enough to kill off the vegetation. Noah sent a dove out who brought back a branch with leaves. This proves this Flood did nowhere the damage we read how the Earth is in Genesis 1:2.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

In terms of the creation being in six days, you don't really have to go very far to figure this out, it is also on the first page. Right in the first chapter it says "....and the evening and the morning were day one......and the evening and the morning were day two.....and the evening and the morning were day three.....etc."

So it's pretty simple, a day is an evening and a morning.

 

[miknik5]

And how do we not know the fast ball God threw Satan into the Earth disrupted it to the point it had to all be redone? I just have learned that the Hebrew/Jew people, outside of their rejection of Christ, are pretting sharp when it comes to the Tanakh, and the Torah specifically.

I´ve read your post with regards to the dinosaur age, after my first post to you regarding the firmament, and your post stops me in my tracks...I do not have a response....yet....

Maybe I will
Maybe I won´t.

I have to pray and think on it and believe, if HE is willing, that HE will give me an answer.
I tell you sir...I KNOW when HE answers me...and until then, I won´t open my mouth.

But if HE doesn´t, then this is all in line to ¨foolish geneology¨

It does NOTHING to change the STORY of our salvation in, by and through CHRIST...which is all HIS WORD ever testified and pointed us to

 

[Diakonos]

The Ark of Noah is way too small for Dinosaurs. But we know they factually existed. I claim it was the Creation of Genesis 1:1 and when Satan came like a fast ball from a pitcher doing a trillion miles per lightyear and he hit the face of the Earth broadside, that caused a Calamity that killed the Dinosaurs. And it sent Earth into an "Ice Age" until God's anger cooled down and He created Adam.

Actually, yes they would. length 300 cubits, breadth 50 cubits, and height 30 cubits.
The average sized adult animal is an adult sheep (dinosaurs accounted for). After accounting generously for all the animals that were to enter the ark, there would have been about 75,000 animals total, but the ark was big enough to fit 125,000. So it would be only about 60% full, with plenty of wiggle room.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But the Flood of Noah was not long enough to kill off the vegetation. Noah sent a dove out who brought back a branch with leaves. This proves this Flood did nowhere the damage we read how the Earth is in Genesis 1:2.

What?

Noahs flood was upon the earth for over a year..

Noahs flood was a major catastrophy which changed the face of the earth

 

[Diakonos]

I used to be an avid gap theorist. I no longer hold to this view. There are just to. Many problems with this theory and the flood actually answers all questions thus eliminating the need for a gap theory

I wouldn't consider myself avid, its just a direction I lean towards