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Reformyourself

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1. Light-good
2. Firmament-good
3. Separated land/sea-good
4. Luminaries-good
5. Sea creatures and birds-good
6. Land creatures - humanity-good
7. Rest-sanctification-very good
 
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Luke 16:31
But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Really? It isn't possible for dinosaurs to have been taken aboard when relatively young... and small? Have you seen how big the ark was?
And remember, 2 of each kind..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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True, but Ancient people like Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Asians, and others never speak about roaming Dinosaurs. Neither does the Bible. No one within the Bible speaks of Dinosaurs. But they did exist. This much we know. I am guessing they were here before Adam.
Yet we see Job could remember the behemoth, the greatest of all creatures to roam the earth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is in relationship that Peter in 2 Peter 3:6 was discussing a Flood before Noah's and it was caused by Satan.

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:



God Formed The Earth To Be Inhabited Turn your Bible with me to,
Isaiah 45:18 18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD, and there is none else.”

Our Heavenly Father “formed” the earth to be inhabited. He formed the earth for people, animals, insects, and plants to thrive.
He did not form the earth “without form, void”, full of “darkness” and covered in water, nor could life emerge from the earth if it was “an indistinguishable ruin”.

God did not create the earth “in vain” (Strong’s: H8414) which is the same Hebrew word we find in Genesis 1:2 being “without form”. Jehovah, our Heavenly Father is telling us plainly, He did not create the earth “vain,” He did not create the earth “without form”.
Instead, He created the earth with “form” (Strong’s: H3335) which means,

“To mould into a form; especially as a potter”.
Our Father is the Potter who molded the earth into form, He “established” (Strong’s: H3559) the earth which means He “perfected” it, (Isaiah 64:8).

Scripture makes it abundantly clear, our Father “is not the author of confusion,” He is not the Creator of “a desolation,” “but of peace” and ‘perfection’, (1 Corinthians 14:33, Psalms 18:30).

Isaiah 45:18 perfectly aligns with Genesis 1:2 when we understand “was” should have been translated “became”.

These facts bring harmony to the Scriptures. He formed the earth in perfection, but it “became without form, void,” and full of “darkness” due to Satan’s Sin in “The World That Was”, “before the heavens and earth which are now.”

The World That Was “Became” Covered In Water Our Father is gracious enough to provide us with multiple witnesses to the facts we have covered so far. We are going to turn our Bible to the book of Psalms, and we should understand Psalms 104:5-30 perfectly overlays with Genesis 1:1-31.

Psalms 104:5 5 “Who laid the foundations of the earth that it should not be removed for ever.”

Jehovah, our Heavenly Father laid the foundations of the earth “in the beginning” as Genesis 1:1 documents. Scripture makes it clear, the earth will never be removed, (Genesis 8:22).

When this took place is unknown to mankind, it could have been millions or even billions of years ago. I am sure one day our Father will provide us with these details.

Psalms 104:6 6 “Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.”

While Psalms 104:5 explains our Father “laid the foundations of the earth” in the beginning, verse 6 explains He then covered the earth with water. Meaning, it was not covered with water before, but “became” covered in water, “became without form, void” and full of “darkness” as we learned in Genesis 1:2.

Scripture provides us with even more clarity and detail by explaining there was so much water it “stood above the mountains”. Simply meaning, there was no “dry land” which completely aligns with the state of the earth as outlined in Genesis 1:2;9 until “the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,” during the Seven Days of Genesis.

For our Father to create the earth in ‘perfection’ and then destroy “The World That Was” by covering the earth in water means something happened. There had to be a reason for Him to take such action. As we have explained, this was due to Satan’s Sin in The First Earth Age.

This is the earth age and its destruction which Peter describes as the world that was, caused by Lucifer and the angels who followed him, Revelation 12:4. This is not describing Noah’s flood, which is of this second and present earth age, the age of the judgment of all men. The flood of Genesis 6 had the family of Noah, birds, and no mention of cities which were destroyed. In verse twenty-two, God tells us of the shortcomings of His children during this present earth age, because there is hardly any teaching of the 1st earth age and its overthrow, yet the scientific community knows that this earth had undergone turmoil at one time.
1. Void and without form was it original state
2.overflowed with water was noah flood
3. it was created to be inhabited, that why it was created in 6 days exactly as God said,
 

Kolistus

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Evolution has nothing to do with creation, but Some ‘believers’ insinuate that they believe everything in The Bible, except that I know they struggle with the literal 6 day Genesis account (as I did). People accept evolution, because it makes more sense (easier to believe). However, IF a believer rejects the creation account, they certainly could not accept the resurrection (though they will say they do). As I have already said, anybody can say they’re a believer.
Why cant someone accept the resurrection if they dont believe the creation account as 24hour periods? I agree its 24hour periods, that is what our week is based on, but just out of curiosity im asking.
 
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Why cant someone accept the resurrection if they dont believe the creation account as 24hour periods? I agree its 24hour periods, that is what our week is based on, but just out of curiosity im asking.
😊 its all or nothing. (in my opinion). 1 book
 

Magenta

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Genesis 2:4-6
4. This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5. before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6.but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. 👍
Yes, thank you... though I was hoping for @biker to answer ;):)
 

Magenta

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😉 why am I not surprised 😉
@biker 's claim was that it made no sense to think the atmosphere changed during the flood, and yet the fact that it had not rained before the flood and that rain has been a weather phenomena to this day since seems to unavoidably suggest that the atmosphere did change...
 

Lightskin

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😊 its all or nothing. (in my opinion). 1 book
For God so loved the world He gave His own Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Nope, nothing there about thoughts on evolution prohibiting salvation. But I digress.
 
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Reformyourself

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They can, regardless of differing opinions.
It’s like Groundhog Day 🙄
Luke 16:31
But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
 

Lightskin

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It’s like Groundhog Day 🙄
Luke 16:31
But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
Out of context, but thanks for trying.
 
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@biker 's claim was that it made no sense to think the atmosphere changed during the flood, and yet the fact that it had not rained before the flood and that rain has been a weather phenomena to this day since seems to unavoidably suggest that the atmosphere did change...
Sorry, thought you didn’t know 😬
 

Magenta

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Sorry, thought you didn’t know 😬
I was pretty sure the Bible said it had not rained before the flood, however, when I looked it up to ascertain where it was written, I found gotquestions.org answer to be wrong in this regard. I know they are not right on everything, but being wrong on this matter did surprise and dismay me, for Genesis 2:5 clearly says across all translations some form of: the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth.
 
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“God himself has condescended to teach the way: for this very end, He came from heaven. He hath written it down in a book. O give me that book! At any price give me the Book of God!...Here is knowledge enough for me. Let me be “homo unius libri ”. (“A man of one Book”)
Wesley (paraphrased)
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