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What’s the matter vco, you don’t like it when someone stands up to your bullish attitude? Act like a real man, better yet act like a real Christian and I’ll treat you with the respect I afford my elders and brethren.
The relevance of my drowning analogy escapes you so we’ll simplify things. You’re drowning in ten feet of water, heck make it five feet, make it three, I don’t care; the fact is you’re still drowning until you’re face is out of the water.
If you need to maintain your salvation then your face is still in the water and you’re not saved. And don’t give me any crap about having your face underwater breathing through a straw. That’s a moot point because you can’t sustain that form of breathing for an extended period. Translation: not saved.
The relevance of my drowning analogy escapes you so we’ll simplify things. You’re drowning in ten feet of water, heck make it five feet, make it three, I don’t care; the fact is you’re still drowning until you’re face is out of the water.
If you need to maintain your salvation then your face is still in the water and you’re not saved. And don’t give me any crap about having your face underwater breathing through a straw. That’s a moot point because you can’t sustain that form of breathing for an extended period. Translation: not saved.
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Ms EleventhHour Peace Maker here 
... I feel you guys are talking about two different things altogether.
@VCO the point being made if I read @Lightskin correctly is that a person is saved once they have been fully rescued, not while in the process of being saved which is what @Judges1318 teaches.
Of course salvation comes at a moment in time, I do not think the analogy states otherwise.
The act of being rescued is FINAl, DONE, COMPLETE .. no analogy is perfect so speaking about exhaling on the way up is really a moot point.
... I feel you guys are talking about two different things altogether.@VCO the point being made if I read @Lightskin correctly is that a person is saved once they have been fully rescued, not while in the process of being saved which is what @Judges1318 teaches.
Of course salvation comes at a moment in time, I do not think the analogy states otherwise.
The act of being rescued is FINAl, DONE, COMPLETE .. no analogy is perfect so speaking about exhaling on the way up is really a moot point.
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That's right.
To those who believe.
Not to those who have been told not to believe in signs and wonders.
28When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”
“Yes, Lord,” they replied.
29Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30and their sight was restored. - Matthew 9:28-29
As we can see, the Cessationist Doctrine has removed even the mustard seed of faith from the church!
Just another negative result of the Reformed Movement.
To those who believe.
Not to those who have been told not to believe in signs and wonders.
28When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”
“Yes, Lord,” they replied.
29Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30and their sight was restored. - Matthew 9:28-29
As we can see, the Cessationist Doctrine has removed even the mustard seed of faith from the church!
Just another negative result of the Reformed Movement.
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No, Judges 1318 does not teach that.
The only 'process' there is in salvation is we have yet to be physically saved into our inheritance, the kingdom.
"This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time." - 1 Peter 1:5
You receive that future part of salvation if you stay shielded by God's power through the continuance of the faith you started out in.
No more faith means no more being shielded by God's power until the salvation to be revealed in the last time. Read the passage. Or did Peter really mean you stay 'shielded by God's power not through faith', too?
'Final, Done, Complete' does not mean, by definition, 'can't be undone'.
Of course things that are 'done, final, and complete' don't have to, by definition, stay that way. Good grief!
The only 'process' there is in salvation is we have yet to be physically saved into our inheritance, the kingdom.
"This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time." - 1 Peter 1:5
You receive that future part of salvation if you stay shielded by God's power through the continuance of the faith you started out in.
No more faith means no more being shielded by God's power until the salvation to be revealed in the last time. Read the passage. Or did Peter really mean you stay 'shielded by God's power not through faith', too?
'Final, Done, Complete' does not mean, by definition, 'can't be undone'.
Of course things that are 'done, final, and complete' don't have to, by definition, stay that way. Good grief!
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No, I believe in BIBLE and your TEACHING IF FAR FROM IT, but apparently you don't like Christians to respectfully show you are sinning. So be it. Your analogy held NO WATER, so I pointed it out. I have been WAY MORE PATIENT with you than others, and I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU TWO OR THREE WARNINGS about your DIVISIVE ATTITUDE before.
SO tell me what Denomination, or TYPE OF CHURCH you do GO TO ? ? ?
I go to a Non-Denominational, Conservative Evangelical, OSAS Doctrinally, Community BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH, and I have sincerely been BORN AGAIN ever since the Last Week of 1977.
Here is the verse that I SHOULD HAVE Quoting to you SEVERAL WEEKS or MONTHS AGO.
Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
I seriously believe that GOD expects me to give you two warning about YOUR DIVISIVE ATTITUDE, and on the THIRD OFFENSE, put you on my Permanent IGNORE LIST.
So you can consider this to be your FIRST WARNING.
Your last line is exactly why you have no spiritual comprehension and or know God biblically.....as a matter of fact...it reeks of ignorance and such an ignorance that there really is nothing to compare it to without being censored or banned by the mods.....it also devalues Jesus and his promises, power and work to the extent that there can only be one source of such a belief....that being the devil himself!
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I really think you are misunderstanding the point that @Lightskin was making.
Just take a step back and read the posts rather than jumping to conclusions.
Just take a step back and read the posts rather than jumping to conclusions.
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