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Nehemiah6

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It is now quite obvious that President Donald Trump has been deceived by (1) China, (2) WHO, (3) CDC, (4) NIH, (5) IHME, (6) Anthony Fauci, (7) Deborah Birx, (8) Bill Gates, and finally (9) all his advisors in government, who have allowed him to perpetrate numerous blunders. And he already knows that the mainstream media are simply liars, and should not be trusted.

Yet he has not frankly, honestly, and publicly admitted that the whole official response to the coronavirus pandemic was faulty from the get-go. A TOTAL FIASCO. Trump needs to tell the world “I was deceived on every side and made many mistakes”.

The whole free world looks to the US president for leadership, but leadership includes having the courage and the grace to frankly admit that you have been wrong. This could have a huge positive impact on all the countries of the free world. All Trump has to do is look at the cold hard facts, and then inform the world of a few hard truths:

1. The CDC estimates for influenza in the United States from October 1, 2010 to April 4, 2020 are VERY ROUGH ESTIMATES. This includes total illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths. This is important to note, since people seems to forget that rough estimates are not the same as actual figures

2. If we take 24,000 flu death as realistic (CDC uses this estimate as the minimum) and 56 million total illnesses as the maximum (another CDC estimate, the ratio of deaths to illnesses is 0.0004, or as a percentage it is only 0.04% (not 0.4% as some have claimed).

3. Flu season comes around every year, and absolutely no one panics. So the fear-mongering and panic-creation were by design, and the presidency was fooled into an improper response so that China would benefit in every way.

4. As of April 28, the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases was 1,011,877 and the number of reported deaths were 58,351 (Johns Hopkins Interactive Map). Since we know that coronavirus deaths are being over-reported, at least 10% of those deaths are invalid. So 52,000 deaths would be more realistic. Also confirmed cases are not equal to asymptomatic cases, which have been estimated at about 6-7 times the confirmed cases. So the total illnesses could be as high as 7,083,139 (rounded to 7 million).

5. The ratio of deaths to illnesses would then be about 0.0074, or as a percentage 0.74%. That is less than 1% of those who were confirmed as infected. But as a percentage of the total population of the USA (about 350 million) that is only a minuscule 0.0068%. Far less than deaths from fatal car accidents.

6. The IHME estimates have been HYPER-INFLATED because there is a coronavirus conspiracy. The fear-mongering and panic-creation began with the following headlines:

2.2 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE U.S. COULD DIE IF CORONAVIRUS GOES UNCHECKED

Then Breitbart News posted this on April 1, 2020:

"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) model cited by White House Coronavirus Task Force officials has increased its projections of the number of coronavirus deaths in the United States by August 4 to 93,765." That is almost double the number of deaths as of now. But the curve has been flattening since April 1 according to a TIME chart. And IHME has said that 31 states have already flattened their curves. Which means that the total actual deaths may only be around 54 - 55,000.

7. In view of this, a full re-opening of the economy immediately is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. At the same time, the administration has a responsibility to thoroughly investigate the conspiracy, and bring the conspirators to justice. Since no evildoers have been actually locked up under the Trump administration, they will all probably go scot-free.

We can rest assured that no one in any Western government will honestly admit that if appropriate steps had been taken on January 1 or even February 1, 2020 the whole pandemic scenario could have been avoided. The intelligence reports had been coming in since December.
A total shut-down of both borders, ports, airports, flights, etc. for 30 day would have stopped infected people coming in from China or anywhere else. The simplest solution is always the best, but it takes courage to say so.


What needs to also be publicly stated is that the flu vaccines have been generally effective less than 47% of the time, and that there is no reason to expect better results from any coronavirus vaccine. “Herd immunity” is better than vaccinations. This should also be a lesson to the general public that reliance on so-called experts is the worst thing any government can do. Common sense should prevail.
 

Nehemiah6

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WHY HASN'T FAUCI BEEN FIRED?

Here are some facts quoted from a conservative news source which confirm what I have posted earlier:

"FATALITY RATE
A recent Stanford University antibody study estimated the fatality rate from the virus is likely 0.1% to 0.2%. The World Health Organization (WHO) had estimated that the death rate was 20 to 30 times higher and called for isolation policies. On which version do you think the media focused?


In New York City, the U.S. epicenter of the pandemic, the death rate for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01%, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. People aged 75 and older, though, have a death rate 80 times that. For children under 18, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. That’s zero.

HEALTH AND AGE
More than half of the COVID-19 deaths in Europe occurred in long-term care or nursing-home facilities. At least one-fifth of the deaths recorded in the U.S. so far have occurred there.


Nearly all the patients hospitalized for the coronavirus in New York City had underlying health conditions, according to a recent study.

“Health records from 5,700 patients hospitalized within the Northwell Health system — which housed the most patients in the country throughout the pandemic — showed that 94 percent of patients had more than one disease other than COVID-19, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association,” Fox News reported. The study found 42% of the patients were overweight and 53% had hypertension, and the others suffered from a variety of ailments."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/curl-covid-19-turning-huge-hoax-perpetrated-media/

To confirm that Fauci is part of the conspiracy to shut down the economy and keep everyone at home, we now find that he is praising expensive and less effective Remdesivir (produced by Gilead) to high heaven (since he is involved with Gilead in a conflict of interest) when he put down hydroxychloroquine (which is both cheap and effective), and actually tried to *correct* Trump about the latter.

"Recent history provides too many examples of institutional failure. We have already examined how lacking Dr. Anthony Fauci is now and has been before and during the HIV/AIDS crisis. He is a fraud. Whether he is a crook or a fool is perhaps open to interpretation.

“Despite President Donald Trump’s enthusiasm for the drug hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus, the federal funding powerhouse led by Dr. Anthony Fauci isn’t spending any money on it, and clinical trials for it are lagging behind other drug studies,” CNN reports.

Instead Fauci has been touting Remdesivir from Gilead through the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). Gilead’s Remdesivir costs thousands of dollars and works less well than hydroxychloroquine—a generic that has worked all over the world. Remdesivir requires intravenous administration and has stronger side effects.

Why is the good doctor pushing a bad cure?... Fauci works closely with Gilead and other drug manufacturers. Once again Gilead has helped advance Fauci’s public persona while he has advanced their drugs, sometimes even against the interests of the U.S. government or HIV/AIDS patients.

Fauci even praised a Gilead television ad for Truvada, or PreP, a $1,000-a-month drug. It’s illegal in most countries for pharmaceutical companies to advertise, but Fauci found much to like in the ad. He had reason to. After all, his organization funded the study with your money."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-less-expensive-effective-hydroxychloroquine/
 
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What will it take for you to realize Trump DID THIS TO US.... he is part of the global elite.
 
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#6
WHY HASN'T FAUCI BEEN FIRED?

Here are some facts quoted from a conservative news source which confirm what I have posted earlier:

"FATALITY RATE
A recent Stanford University antibody study estimated the fatality rate from the virus is likely 0.1% to 0.2%. The World Health Organization (WHO) had estimated that the death rate was 20 to 30 times higher and called for isolation policies. On which version do you think the media focused?


In New York City, the U.S. epicenter of the pandemic, the death rate for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01%, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. People aged 75 and older, though, have a death rate 80 times that. For children under 18, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. That’s zero.

HEALTH AND AGE
More than half of the COVID-19 deaths in Europe occurred in long-term care or nursing-home facilities. At least one-fifth of the deaths recorded in the U.S. so far have occurred there.


Nearly all the patients hospitalized for the coronavirus in New York City had underlying health conditions, according to a recent study.

“Health records from 5,700 patients hospitalized within the Northwell Health system — which housed the most patients in the country throughout the pandemic — showed that 94 percent of patients had more than one disease other than COVID-19, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association,” Fox News reported. The study found 42% of the patients were overweight and 53% had hypertension, and the others suffered from a variety of ailments."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/curl-covid-19-turning-huge-hoax-perpetrated-media/

To confirm that Fauci is part of the conspiracy to shut down the economy and keep everyone at home, we now find that he is praising expensive and less effective Remdesivir (produced by Gilead) to high heaven (since he is involved with Gilead in a conflict of interest) when he put down hydroxychloroquine (which is both cheap and effective), and actually tried to *correct* Trump about the latter.

"Recent history provides too many examples of institutional failure. We have already examined how lacking Dr. Anthony Fauci is now and has been before and during the HIV/AIDS crisis. He is a fraud. Whether he is a crook or a fool is perhaps open to interpretation.

“Despite President Donald Trump’s enthusiasm for the drug hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus, the federal funding powerhouse led by Dr. Anthony Fauci isn’t spending any money on it, and clinical trials for it are lagging behind other drug studies,” CNN reports.

Instead Fauci has been touting Remdesivir from Gilead through the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). Gilead’s Remdesivir costs thousands of dollars and works less well than hydroxychloroquine—a generic that has worked all over the world. Remdesivir requires intravenous administration and has stronger side effects.

Why is the good doctor pushing a bad cure?... Fauci works closely with Gilead and other drug manufacturers. Once again Gilead has helped advance Fauci’s public persona while he has advanced their drugs, sometimes even against the interests of the U.S. government or HIV/AIDS patients.

Fauci even praised a Gilead television ad for Truvada, or PreP, a $1,000-a-month drug. It’s illegal in most countries for pharmaceutical companies to advertise, but Fauci found much to like in the ad. He had reason to. After all, his organization funded the study with your money."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-less-expensive-effective-hydroxychloroquine/
So you are suggesting that Dr. Fauci should be fired for demanding social distancing and not being able to cure aides? you're a hoot!!!
 
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#7
It is now quite obvious that President Donald Trump has been deceived by (1) China, (2) WHO, (3) CDC, (4) NIH, (5) IHME, (6) Anthony Fauci, (7) Deborah Birx, (8) Bill Gates, and finally (9) all his advisors in government, who have allowed him to perpetrate numerous blunders. And he already knows that the mainstream media are simply liars, and should not be trusted.

Yet he has not frankly, honestly, and publicly admitted that the whole official response to the coronavirus pandemic was faulty from the get-go. A TOTAL FIASCO. Trump needs to tell the world “I was deceived on every side and made many mistakes”.

The whole free world looks to the US president for leadership, but leadership includes having the courage and the grace to frankly admit that you have been wrong. This could have a huge positive impact on all the countries of the free world. All Trump has to do is look at the cold hard facts, and then inform the world of a few hard truths:

1. The CDC estimates for influenza in the United States from October 1, 2010 to April 4, 2020 are VERY ROUGH ESTIMATES. This includes total illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths. This is important to note, since people seems to forget that rough estimates are not the same as actual figures

2. If we take 24,000 flu death as realistic (CDC uses this estimate as the minimum) and 56 million total illnesses as the maximum (another CDC estimate, the ratio of deaths to illnesses is 0.0004, or as a percentage it is only 0.04% (not 0.4% as some have claimed).

3. Flu season comes around every year, and absolutely no one panics. So the fear-mongering and panic-creation were by design, and the presidency was fooled into an improper response so that China would benefit in every way.

4. As of April 28, the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases was 1,011,877 and the number of reported deaths were 58,351 (Johns Hopkins Interactive Map). Since we know that coronavirus deaths are being over-reported, at least 10% of those deaths are invalid. So 52,000 deaths would be more realistic. Also confirmed cases are not equal to asymptomatic cases, which have been estimated at about 6-7 times the confirmed cases. So the total illnesses could be as high as 7,083,139 (rounded to 7 million).

5. The ratio of deaths to illnesses would then be about 0.0074, or as a percentage 0.74%. That is less than 1% of those who were confirmed as infected. But as a percentage of the total population of the USA (about 350 million) that is only a minuscule 0.0068%. Far less than deaths from fatal car accidents.

6. The IHME estimates have been HYPER-INFLATED because there is a coronavirus conspiracy. The fear-mongering and panic-creation began with the following headlines:

2.2 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE U.S. COULD DIE IF CORONAVIRUS GOES UNCHECKED

Then Breitbart News posted this on April 1, 2020:

"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) model cited by White House Coronavirus Task Force officials has increased its projections of the number of coronavirus deaths in the United States by August 4 to 93,765." That is almost double the number of deaths as of now. But the curve has been flattening since April 1 according to a TIME chart. And IHME has said that 31 states have already flattened their curves. Which means that the total actual deaths may only be around 54 - 55,000.

7. In view of this, a full re-opening of the economy immediately is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. At the same time, the administration has a responsibility to thoroughly investigate the conspiracy, and bring the conspirators to justice. Since no evildoers have been actually locked up under the Trump administration, they will all probably go scot-free.

We can rest assured that no one in any Western government will honestly admit that if appropriate steps had been taken on January 1 or even February 1, 2020 the whole pandemic scenario could have been avoided. The intelligence reports had been coming in since December.
A total shut-down of both borders, ports, airports, flights, etc. for 30 day would have stopped infected people coming in from China or anywhere else. The simplest solution is always the best, but it takes courage to say so.


What needs to also be publicly stated is that the flu vaccines have been generally effective less than 47% of the time, and that there is no reason to expect better results from any coronavirus vaccine. “Herd immunity” is better than vaccinations. This should also be a lesson to the general public that reliance on so-called experts is the worst thing any government can do. Common sense should prevail.

The only person's that Trump was deceived by is Fox News. When is he going to learn that Sean Hannity is an idiot! I know Trumpist have already drank the "cool aid" Are you going to drink the bleach too!!!
 

Nehemiah6

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So you are suggesting that Dr. Fauci should be fired for demanding social distancing and not being able to cure aides? you're a hoot!!!
No. I am suggesting that Fauci and Birx should be fired for fear-mongering and causing a TOTAL SHUT DOWN of the country, when there was no need for it. As for social distancing, reputable doctors are saying that (1) it is harmful because it prevents herd immunity and (2) it is also harmful for the stress and emotional and mental problems it causes. And because young children are not even at risk, schools are being reopened in Europe.

Fauci is a total fraud, but unless you are prepared to face the truth, you too are one of the deceived.
 
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So now you are saying that Dr. Fauci caused fear mongering around the world? China re-opened their cities and you see how well that is working out for them. LOL... I don't know where you live but where I live i don't see fear. All that I see is a bunch of spoiled , selfish , ingrates that are Whining because they they have to wait in line at a 7-11 to buy their cigarettes and slurpee's .
 
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"I'm going to prove you are duped by referencing the mainstream media and ABC government agencies because they always tell the truth. If you don't believe me, you are one of the deceived." - Nehemiah6
 
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The NWO is taking over the entire world and implementing Agenda 21 right in front of our eyes. In the meantime, FOX news is running cover for them by pumping out left-right political corruption propaganda. When all the while, there is no such thing as lef-right politics it's an illusion to keep the peasants inline.

And right wing Christians eat it up because they think God sent Donald Chump to MAGA.... utter insanity!
 

posthuman

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When is he going to learn that Sean Hannity is an idiot!

you may find this article interesting..

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-19-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death

a statistical study comparing viewers of Sean Hannity vs. Tucker Carlson showed greater incidence of infection & death among Hannity viewers, correlating with how Hannity downplayed the virus & called it a hoax, as opposed to Carlson's public reactions.

it's just stats, and the paper hasn't finished being peer-reviewed, but the study's authors did take careful account to screen out other factors and just look at what the effect of these two talking heads had on the people who listen to them, relative to the spreading of the virus.
 
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kaylagrl

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you may find this article interesting..

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-19-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death

a statistical study comparing viewers of Sean Hannity vs. Tucker Carlson showed greater incidence of infection & death among Hannity viewers, correlating with how Hannity downplayed the virus & called it a hoax, as opposed to Carlson's public reactions.

it's just stats, and the paper hasn't finished being peer-reviewed, but the study's authors did take careful account to screen out other factors and just look at what the effect of these two talking heads had on the people who listen to them, relative to the spreading of the virus.

Ummm vox?!
 

posthuman

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while we're in the conspiracy section,

maybe you ought to give a little thought to what might be behind FOX telling you that you cannot trust any other source of news except FOX.

it happens fairly often that i put some link to some article, and a certain group of people do not bother to read the article or even think about the subject, but just ignore it immediately because the news outlet isn't on their '
approved list' of sources.

that ain't a solid way of thinking, @kaylagrl
 
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kaylagrl

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kaylagrl

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while we're in the conspiracy section,

maybe you ought to give a little thought to what might be behind FOX telling you that you cannot trust any other source of news except FOX.

it happens fairly often that i put some link to some article, and a certain group of people do not bother to read the article or even think about the subject, but just ignore it immediately because the news outlet isn't on their 'approved list' of sources.

that ain't a solid way of thinking, @kaylagrl

I don't care who the source is, if they go against what I know to be true, I shut it off, INCLUDING Fox. So slow your roll. I don't watch Hannity, but I do watch Carleson from time to time. I take him with a grain of salt. But Tucker hasn't bought into this Wuhan virus either. He hasn't called it a hoax but he's had people with various views on the show. I don't believe the virus is a hoax, but I also don't believe it's as bad as the "numbers" are saying. Time will tell.
 

posthuman

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So you're saying VOX isn't anti-conservative? Because everything I've ever read from them has been. And you didn't compare Jesus to the MSM did you? :p
i'm telling @1christian1 that he might find this study interesting:

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202044.pdf

this one is a direct link to a pdf from the researchers.

i originally posted a link to an article giving a synopsis, because it's easier to read than the actual research paper, unless you're into statistical methodology, but some people just shoot-the-messenger.
 

posthuman

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So you're saying VOX isn't anti-conservative? Because everything I've ever read from them has been. And you didn't compare Jesus to the MSM did you? :p
no, i compared you --- who completely ignored the subject of my post --- to a person who won't even listen to the truth because they don't like where it comes from.

FOX is mainstream media. they are practically the epitome of mainstream media.
so what do you think, whenever someone is trying to tell me something, and they offer more information by pointing to an article from FOX, should i be like "
FOX?? LOL no way now i know whatever you are telling me is garbage" ?
would that be a reasonable reaction or would that be foolish & ignorant?


speaking of conspiracies.

He who answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him.
(Proverbs 18:13)