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Micaiah-imla

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Guojing said:
You have read Romans 9 to 11? Israel rejected their gospel and has been set aside by God
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“Their” gospel?

There’s only one gospel. And no where in the passage you cite does say anything about “setting aside” Israel.

All Israel shall be saved; those who will finally come to believe the gospel.

The unbelieving Jews rejected it; and God knew they would. There’s no ‘Plan B’.

Romans 11:1-2,5
[1] I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [2] God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...[5] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

There’s a remnant, not a nation.

God has not cast away his people (like Paul - a believer).

Romans 11:20,23
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: [23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Romans 9:6
[6]...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel
 
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dcontroversal

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Lightskin said:
It’s always about rape and murder with these worker bee salvationists, and never about breaking the speed limit. And yes, God’s grace is afforded to believers who sin. It’s simply astonishing that people don’t understand the very basics of grace.
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Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more <--written to saved, immersed church members and the APOSTLE includes himself with the next part.....but hey.....let's just reject it and sell Jesus out in favor of selfsavism.....!!
 
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Guojing

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Micaiah-imla said:
“Their” gospel?

There’s only one gospel. And no where in the passage you cite does say anything about “setting aside” Israel.

All Israel shall be saved; those who will finally come to believe the gospel.

The unbelieving Jews rejected it; and God knew they would. There’s no ‘Plan B’.

Romans 11:1-2,5
[1] I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [2] God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...[5] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

There’s a remnant, not a nation.

God has not cast away his people (like Paul - a believer).

Romans 11:20,23
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: [23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Romans 9:6
[6]...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel
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Yes, I agree with you, God will return to deal with Israel during the Tribulation. BUT NOW (Using one of Paul's phrases), Israel has been temporarily blinded. I didn't say it was Plan B, God knew from the beginning (Ephesians 3:9)

The Gospel of the Kingdom that was preached to them during the 4 Gospels and early Acts is no longer valid, as Paul would emphasized in Galatians.

Anyway, if you believe it is still valid today, the question remains, where were the signs and wonders promised to all of us in Mark 16:17-18?
 
azamzimtoti

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Guojing said:
YAnyway, if you believe it is still valid today, the question remains, where were the signs and wonders promised to all of us in Mark 16:17-18?
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So are you thinking the "signs and wonders" etc. are going to be around/come back in this upcoming "millennium"?
 
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azamzimtoti

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Guojing said:
They will return during the tribulation. Matthew 24:24 and revelation 11
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(Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect)

The above is not related to anytime past the generation that heard him speak

(Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled)
 
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Guojing

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azamzimtoti said:
(Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect)

The above is not related to anytime past the generation that heard him speak

(Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled)
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Jesus did not reveal the mystery of the grace dispensation then. The gospel then was still only for the Jews
 
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