No more Pig Meat!

[Mii]

They do not listen to Paul when he tells us that: " many are weak and sick among you, and many are fallen asleep." (1cor11:30) God wants us to be healthy. David shows us that the law was given because God wants what is best for us. "Oh, how I love Your law! All day long it is my meditation." (Psalm 119:97)

First (and hopefully only) angry reaction on this site.

Please don't cherry pick scriptures. This verse in corinthians is about communion and drinking in an unworthy manner. Re-read the rest of the passage if you would or explain why you felt like that has anything to do with eating pork.




I have had internal discussions about pork and felt led to consume it far less (if at all). If someone makes a meal and didn't ask first though, I'll usually eat it with thanksgiving. I've just moved to beef and turkey instead as a reasonably solid rule otherwise.

 

[JohnR7]

As for the clear indication that God stands behind His word (He does) the number of sick employees in this company is not indictive that God is against the eating of pork. There are sick employees in many industries and companies.

My wife works for a nursing home where 0 people have died and 0 people have been reported to have the corona virus. Over 40 percent of Connecticut's coronavirus deaths have occurred in nursing homes. So to me this is an indication that they are doing their job here in Ohio. For you nothing means nothing so you would be just as happy to put your parents in a nursing home where there is a high death rate from the virus compared to a nursing home where the death rate is zero.

 

[JohnR7]

Please don't cherry pick scriptures.

I am talking about ALL of the 119 psalm. There are 176 verses in this psalm. I am not picking ONE of them AT ALL. I just presented that as an example to verify what I am saying. But there are 175 more we can read and study if you want.

If you are accusing of cherry picking them maybe that is what you do. People are always guilty of what they accuse others of.

 

[JohnR7]

This verse in corinthians is about communion and drinking in an unworthy manner.

The verse in Cor is about MANY people that are sick. You tell me why MANY are sick and a number have died. Jesus tells us that MANY people are going to perish. Few find their way to eternal life. You tell me what makes the difference between the many and the few? Just what is it about communion that is causing MANY people to be sick? Just what is it they are doing that is causing them to come under the judgement of God? In what way does Paul recommend they are to judge themselves?

 

[JohnR7]

China, the company must have no regard for human life

Correct, China (Charlie) has NO regard for human life. The evidence of that is in the high abortion rate. Also we had a high school student from Wuhan that was a foreign exchange student. My wife use to cook him dinner every day and something he told us almost every day is that in China there are way to many people so they have no regard for human life. He was very afraid of the Government and very afraid to break any laws because they do not go easy on criminals in Wuhan. In fact they pretty much take on the status of a organ donor when you become a lost cause criminal in China. The question is how much of a grip does the communist party have on the Wuhan Institute of Virology? How much is this institute a tool in their hand for creating a virus to eliminate old people that can not contribute and cost money to take care of? How in the world did they trick US into paying for that research? I was trained in the '70's to deal with Charlie in Vietnam. He likes to set traps for people. He is a lot tricker then you seem to be willing to give him credit for.

 

[JohnR7]

I work around chemicals.

I remember that so well when I was in my 20's. I would work, go home, sleep and in the morning I felt fine, no problem. I did not wear gloves, I did not put on a mask. I did not see any reason for any of that. Then years later it all catches up with you. Your immunity system says enough, I can not take it anymore. God is good though and He can help us with all of that. It is a lot easier to look back to see what we should have done different. It is difficult to look forward to see how we should live and what we should be doing.

 

[JohnR7]

We wasn't designed to live here forever.

God has a plan and a purpose for us. Eventually we make a big enough of a mess that we give up and we give into God to just do whatever it is He wants us to do so we can finish what He has sent us here to do.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

We can do that. I am ready to study the Bible any time. You mention: Acts 15:10 (NIV) "Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?" This is a situation where they add to the law of God. Today they have a list of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments). Jesus gives us three, to love God, love our Neighbor and to love ourself. That means they add 610 commandments to what Jesus gives us. If you ask them why do you add to what Moses tells us to do, they will not be able to answer. http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

Acts 15:10 is scripture. Part of the canon. Inspired and Holy. Are you a Christian or do you follow Judaism? Because the more we speak the more you deny the NT.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I remember that so well when I was in my 20's. I would work, go home, sleep and in the morning I felt fine, no problem. I did not wear gloves, I did not put on a mask. I did not see any reason for any of that. Then years later it all catches up with you. Your immunity system says enough, I can not take it anymore. God is good though and He can help us with all of that. It is a lot easier to look back to see what we should have done different. It is difficult to look forward to see how we should live and what we should be doing.

Its life. I take every precaution. But I choose to stay. To put food on the table. If death doesn't come that way, it will another. My soul is saved and that is all that matters.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

God has a plan and a purpose for us. Eventually we make a big enough of a mess that we give up and we give into God to just do whatever it is He wants us to do so we can finish what He has sent us here to do.

A purpose or plan doesn't involve forever on Earth. Stephen's death is what really caused Christians to flee but in doing so brought evangelism to all surrounding areas. God's plan can be achieved amidst our choices. Jonah made a bad choice to run. But God's plan was still completed.

 

[cv5]

You did not read the chart I gave you. You are allowed UP TO 20 grams of Sat fat a day. IF you eat more then this then you are setting youself up for things like a heart attack, stroke, cancer, diabeties and other diseases.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/can-bacon-be-part-of-a-healthy-diet#1

Mennonites consume huge amounts of saturated fats and are fine. Evidently they are so active they burn it off.

 

[Mii]

I am talking about ALL of the 119 psalm. There are 176 verses in this psalm. I am not picking ONE of them AT ALL. I just presented that as an example to verify what I am saying. But there are 175 more we can read and study if you want.

If you are accusing of cherry picking them maybe that is what you do. People are always guilty of what they accuse others of.

I am referring to the passage in corinthians in case that was unclear. If so I apologize. I'm a fan of the passage in Psalms and think "that" at least could be used in your assertion, whether I agree or disagree with it.

You did not explain why you think just because a passage talks at length about communion being taken in an unworthy manner and for this reason there are many sick and dead among you.


If this were a passage that was vague about what it was about that would be one thing.

It seems you are applying it to death in general for iniquity which you are asserting in this thread is dietary. This passage doesn't lend any credence as it is a different topic entirely.



Just re-read over it again man.

 

[cv5]

My wife and my son are Asian. So I always get a good laugh when people call me a racist. Also I know people accuse others of what THEY are guilty off. So you just admitted to us all that YOU are a racist. I ran my son's DNA and it came back northern China which is Mongolian when means he is a descendant of Genghis Khan. That is no surprise because Genghis is a common ancestor for 16 million people today. Although the people we are talking about has to do with the Empirer in Beijing and their desire to be in control. People have common ancestors because they were able to provide food for their descendants. Like this virus began with one person. Most likely a careless lab assistant. Now a large percentage of the world's population is infected after just a few months. On the first day of this year only 8 people were infected with the virus. Now in three or four months time over 200,000 are dead and the numbers are still increasing. But if we call this a "China virus" because it began in Wuhan China then you accuse us of being racist and I am going to accuse YOU of being a part of the cover up for the nature of this virus and what is going on.

Its the China virus, engineered in the Wuhan lev 4 lab. If fact there are at least (3) different lawsuits filed in the US demanding 20 + TRILLION $$$$ in damages.....EACH. So lets wait for the evidence in the discovery process shall we?

 

[acts5_29]

God declared pork is clean.

End of story.

 

[JohnR7]

beef & lamb and other factories processing kosher meats have also temporarily closed for the same reasons.

proof in pudding.

Proof that maybe they are not so kosher and they need to clean their act up. Otherwise there would be no need for them to close. God has everything under His control and He is going to work all things according to His plan and purpose. I do not know why we have to go though some of the things we have to endure in life. But this all seems to be a part of God's plan of restoration. We are told that all things work together for good and that in everything we are to give thanks. The last thing we would ever want to do is grumble and complain before God.

 

[JohnR7]

Its the China virus, engineered in the Wuhan lev 4 lab. If fact there are at least (3) different lawsuits filed in the US demanding 20 + TRILLION $$$$ in damages.....EACH. So lets wait for the evidence in the discovery process shall we?

The problem is we were paying for the research $3.7 million dollars out of a $42 billion dollar budgeted for the NIH. So all of congress, all of the senate & the president has their signature on the money for that research. All because we trusted in Frances Collins and he was held in high regard as the best man for the job. Now 200,000 people are dead even though Collins said it was all safe and that there was no problem based on peer review analysis of the reseach being done.

There was an insurance company in Boston that had a lot of wind damage. They wanted to blame the construction company and the architect that designed their building. They won their case in court. Only problem was they were the insurance company for the defendant. So they pretty much successfully sued themselves. We can sue Wuhan Institute of virology if we want in international court but we paid for that research so we may end up suing ourselves.

Just like back in Vietnam Charlie is a lot more clever than people want to give him credit for. I think Trump should have proceeded with caution and not stepped on Charlie's toes the way he did. Slow gradual change without a lot of yapping about undermining China and their economy. There are people who believe this is a deliberate act of war no matter what their propaganda is. Charlie is saying if your gonna mess with the bull your gonna get the horns. Even though they go after older people which for them is target anyways because they do not want to have to take care of the older people and pay health care for them. From their perspective they are doing us a favor to help us get rid of a burdon because they do not have the compassion for people the way we do.

 

[JohnR7]

God declared pork is clean.

That is not what the Bible teaches us. The problem is not eating pork. The problem is telling people that "pork is clean". "Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19) Jesus said we are to "practice and teach these commands". God makes this very clear who serves Him and who represents Him. So people are without excuse. You can do whatever you want. I am only accountable for me and what I tell people. What they do with that is totally up to them and no reflection on me.

 

[p_rehbein]

There isn't very much on this earth that someone, somewhere will figure out a way to eat or make a beverage out of is there?

Given that.....................

 

[JohnR7]

Bacon and ham is good too and of course pepperoni.

I use to like eating pepperoni pizza. Only problem is it sets off my defibrillator (four times). If you ever wonder what that is like - is it like getting hit with a baseball bat. There is a wire that goes down into my heart the defibrillator thinks I am dead and is trying to shock me back to life again.

So you can do what you want. But I think I will pass on eating the pepperoni.

 

[JohnR7]

There isn't very much on this earth that someone, somewhere will figure out a way to eat or make a beverage out of is there?

I had my wife pick up some meat substitute at the store. It tastes ok. But they say we are to rotate what we eat and not eat anything regular.