Three Gods or one? Explain the Trinity.

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Diakonos

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John 4:24
God is a Spirit
: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Notice after Jesus said, God is a Spirit there is [ : ] plus the S is Capped?

There is your answer and Truth. If God was a Person, Jesus would have said so.
In order to say something is false, you have to know what's true.
You say that God is not a person.
So what do you think a person is?
 
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God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.

but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
^^^^^
comes directly from John to his Disciples Polycarp and Iggy!
 
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In order to say something is false, you have to know what's true.
You say that God is not a person.
So what do you think a person is?

I am going by Jesus and His WORDS. His opinion only matters not what I think!
 
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Honest question. Do you believe that people who read translation of the translation do not get saved, or do not get affected by the Holy Spirit when they read?


Of course, the only TRUTH we need to know is that Jesus died for us and if we believe we are saved.
 
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How when I quote what Jesus said, there is still an argument?
 

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Of course, the only TRUTH we need to know is that Jesus died for us and if we believe we are saved.
“For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.” (Hebrews 5:12–6:2)

We are supposed to continue in our knowledge of the Word. Jesus even said so.
“So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;” (John 8:31)
 
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“For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.” (Hebrews 5:12–6:2)

We are supposed to continue in our knowledge of the Word. Jesus even said so.
“So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;” (John 8:31)

GROW UP, we are talking if you are saved or not, not what you progress into. Go reread that question.
 
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No. Jesus's words are consistent with the whole Bible. Yours are not.
Jesus treated the Holy Spirit as a person.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ

He does in the KJV but not the Greek version
 
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I am a Triune God believer, but from what Jesus said, Spirit.
If He said, Person, I would believe Person.
I do not interject but use HIS SAME words.
 

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I am a Triune God believer, but from what Jesus said, Spirit.
If He said, Person, I would believe Person.
I do not interject but use HIS SAME words.



GROW UP, we are talking if you are saved pr not, not what you progress into. Go reread that question.
Everything here is Scripture. Why are you upset?
“So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16)
 
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Tertullian 145-220
"The simple, indeed, (I will not call them unwise and unlearned,) who always constitute the majority of believers, are startled at the dispensation (of the Three in One), on the ground that their very rule of faith withdraws them from the world’s plurality of gods to the one only true God; not understanding that, although He is the one only God, He must yet be believed in with His own οἰκονομία . The numerical order and distribution of the Trinity they assume to be a division of the Unity; "

Lol he is calling out the error of those rejecting the trinity
Too funny
 
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Tell me what the Greek version says.


Perfect example of what I am saying:


KJV:
John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

All 3 verses the KJV calls the Comforter [HE]




Same verses from Aramaic translated to Greek:
16 And I shall be asking the Father, and He will be giving you another consoler, that it, indeed, may be with you for the eon

26 Now the consoler, the holy spirit, which the Father will be sending in My name, that will be teaching you all, and reminding you of all that I said to you."

26 Now, whenever the consoler which I shall be sending you from the Father may be coming, the spirit of truth which is going out from the Father, that will be testifying concerning Me."

The originals call the Holy Spirit [IT and THAT] They do not make the Holy Spirit a Person like the KJV does.
 
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Tertullian 145-220
"The simple, indeed, (I will not call them unwise and unlearned,) who always constitute the majority of believers, are startled at the dispensation (of the Three in One), on the ground that their very rule of faith withdraws them from the world’s plurality of gods to the one only true God; not understanding that, although He is the one only God, He must yet be believed in with His own οἰκονομία . The numerical order and distribution of the Trinity they assume to be a division of the Unity; "

Lol he is calling out the error of those rejecting the trinity
Too funny

And Tertullian joined the Heretic group called Montanism. You really have no clue.
 
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Tertullian 145-220
"The simple, indeed, (I will not call them unwise and unlearned,) who always constitute the majority of believers, are startled at the dispensation (of the Three in One), on the ground that their very rule of faith withdraws them from the world’s plurality of gods to the one only true God; not understanding that, although He is the one only God, He must yet be believed in with His own οἰκονομία . The numerical order and distribution of the Trinity they assume to be a division of the Unity; "

Lol he is calling out the error of those rejecting the trinity
Too funny


The very same author, Tertullian, who introduced the idea of the trinity later on a became a Montanism, which have been labelled as HERETICS.

  • Sometime before 210 Tertullian left the orthodox church to join a new prophetic sectarian movement known as Montanism (founded by the 2nd-century Phrygian prophet Montanus), which had spread from Asia Minor to Africa.
Tertullian | Christian theologian | Britannica
www.britannica.com/biography/Tertullian


So, if you want to accept someone's ideas who on purpose joined a group Heretics, than be my guest!