Three Gods or one? Explain the Trinity.
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You have to be blind or something.
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The word was with God from the beginning
All things made by the word
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him
Jesus is the creator
Col 1
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Jesus as creator
Heb 2
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
You have to be blind or something.
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The word was with God from the beginning
All things made by the word
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him
Jesus is the creator
Col 1
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Jesus as creator
Heb 2
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
In your mind
Does this verse that says Jesus is the creator of all things not register?
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Does this verse that says Jesus is the creator of all things not register?
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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I asked you a very basic,generic,non intrusve question taht a babe in Christ should be able to answer.
Asked you twice and with great effort you deflected and could not give a simple answer.
I have a couple rules for conversing.
One of which is honesty.
If that is too much to ask...we are done.
What fathers do.
Enjoy watching their sons work.
Now learn how to answer as well as ask.
Asked you twice and with great effort you deflected and could not give a simple answer.
I have a couple rules for conversing.
One of which is honesty.
If that is too much to ask...we are done.
What fathers do.
Enjoy watching their sons work.
Now learn how to answer as well as ask.
6 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Jay; "still makes no sense, there is no mention of Jesus creating all things in this passage "
LOL
Comprehension son.
Study harder....but getahold of some comprehension.
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Jay; "still makes no sense, there is no mention of Jesus creating all things in this passage "
LOL
Comprehension son.
Study harder....but getahold of some comprehension.
We did get off onto an altogether separate tangent from what we were actually discussing. And for arguments sake, whether the Greek was translated from the Aramaic or not, we know Greek is what most New Testaments have been translated from. So then, that brings us back to the point I was making. Whether it is Aramaic or Greek, they both claim the Holy Spirit was not personable by calling IT and THAT. Which brings me to the point of how did the English think IT and THAT equaled to HE-HIS-HIM? It makes absolutely no sense for those translators to ASSUME what they did. It's as if they completely IGNORED the Church Fathers all together.
We know for a fact that the Church Fathers, Ignatius and Polycarp, were direct Disciples of John the Beloved Disciple and they believe this:
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
Can we assume the Apostle John taught them this?
And if this is what the Beloved John taught, why are we trying to make the Holy Spirit a person over bad translation?
Are we calling the Disciple John a LIAR?
J
your not getting the answer you want to hear, thats not my fault
through Him, Jesus, all things were created, i agree, but to me it does not mean Jesus alone created all this.
this is where your idea breaks down, to teach people the Father had no part in creation is not very wise. it contridicts scripture. your cherry picking little passages to try and puzzle peice this thing together and when you do this it leaves you with egg on your face, like i demonstrated with Peter in the garden which you didnt seem to understand.
1 Corinthians 8:6
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
all reality as we know it came from the Father but your idea says different.
through Him, Jesus, all things were created, i agree, but to me it does not mean Jesus alone created all this.
this is where your idea breaks down, to teach people the Father had no part in creation is not very wise. it contridicts scripture. your cherry picking little passages to try and puzzle peice this thing together and when you do this it leaves you with egg on your face, like i demonstrated with Peter in the garden which you didnt seem to understand.
1 Corinthians 8:6
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
all reality as we know it came from the Father but your idea says different.
No, you showed me what the KJV explains what the Holy Spirit is.
But if the KJV does not align with what the Apostle John taught his own Disciples, why are we not accepting that?
It makes sense to me since John was there when Jesus taught in person to believe him over the KJV.
So, why are we believing false translation?
@biker
Please answer me this:
"Today, if you would hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,
As in the day of Massah in the wilderness,
9 “When your fathers tested Me,
They tried Me, though they had seen My work.
10 “For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
11 “Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest.”"
-Psalm 95:7-11
Who is speaking in this verse?
Please answer me this:
"Today, if you would hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,
As in the day of Massah in the wilderness,
9 “When your fathers tested Me,
They tried Me, though they had seen My work.
10 “For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
11 “Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest.”"
-Psalm 95:7-11
Who is speaking in this verse?