Animals in Heaven

[Magenta]

The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.

The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.

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God created animals, and saw that they were good.

 

[Diakonos]

Remember what happened to Nebuchadnezzar?

 

[tourist]

We each will have our own mansion. I would love for it to be filled with every puppy I have ever owned. j/s

If it was a good puppy it will be there with you.

 

[posthuman]

Where does the Bible say this?

Job 39:19-25, or Job 41 for example.

Again, where does the Bible say this?

Isaiah 1 as previously posted, or 'go to the ant, thou sluggard' for example.

have you not read these things?

nephesh chaya. living soul. go have a look at the Hebrew in Genesis 1-2.

 

[posthuman]

You have had a pet before right? Have you ever noticed how they have different personalities and quirks? How they can be really happy sad or angry? If you had a cat did you ever have trouble keeping it off the keyboard?
Something that has no soul could not do any of this it would just go through the motions like a machine

ikr

people who say things like this, i think, they have never shared a home with a dog or cat. or if they did it is sad they never took the time to pay attention to them. it does not take much perception to realize they have intelligence and will and emotion. 'the righteous has regard for his animal'

 

[posthuman]

He is saying that animals literally cannot reason...and by analogy, false teachers are acting like animals when they continue in their gross heresies

some animals are not as complex as others. and the verses are very clearly describing people -- people without souls? or with souls?

again, would you say a child, or a dottard, has no soul?
because they are simpler than you?
but God says, "nephesh chayah" -- in them is His own breath, just like you.

 

[Blain]

I'm going to spend time in other threads until you substantiate your belief with Scripture. I've already given you 3 scriptures and the lexical data to prove my point.

There is nothing wrong with my belief in scripture it is how you are trying to make it say something it isn't. You can show all the text you want too but you did it very poorly it is clearly not talking about actual animals and as for your saying animals have no reason why then did the man of wisdom Solomon say this?



24 There be four things which are little upon the earth, but they are exceeding wise:


25 The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer;


26 The conies are but a feeble folk, yet make they their houses in the rocks;


27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;


28 The spider taketh hold with her hands, and is in kings' palaces.

 

[Blain]

ikr

people who say things like this, i think, they have never shared a home with a dog or cat. or if they did it is sad they never took the time to pay attention to them. it does not take much perception to realize they have intelligence and will and emotion. 'the righteous has regard for his animal'

Oh I know for a fact animals have emotion. I had this adorably fat cat named bobby he was what I call a special case, he would bring my mom my sisters bra's as a gift everyday only my sisters bras and I learned very early on that he loves to have his belly rubbed but if you do it any more than three times he gets a crazy look in his eyes and bites you hard then he apologes by licking you lol

 

[Diakonos]

Job 39:19-25, or Job 41 for example

Can you be more specific. I read over that, I don't see any verse or section of verses that show us that an animal has a min, will and emotion.

 

[posthuman]

Can you be more specific. I read over that, I don't see any verse or section of verses that show us that an animal has a min, will and emotion.

He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength
(Job 39:21)
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With shaking and rage he races over the ground
(Job 39:24)

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mind, will, and emotion. rejoicing, shaking and rage.


have you never met a horse?

 

[posthuman]

if you try to pick up my piebald cat, he will give you a piece of his mind - and very emotionally express his will.

 

[Diakonos]

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He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength​

(Job 39:21)​

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With shaking and rage he races over the ground ​

(Job 39:24) ​

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mind, will, and emotion. rejoicing, shaking and rage.


have you never met a horse?

This might qualify as emotion, but definitely not mind and will. The mind allows us to think about the abstract and invent things and think outside the box, think independently of our experience....reasoning.
The will allows us to resist our natural impulses, like hunger, self preservation and sacrifice resources for a better investment, etc.
Animals don't do these things

 

[Blain]

This might qualify as emotion, but definitely not mind and will. The mind allows us to think about the abstract and invent things and think outside the box, think independently of our experience....reasoning.
The will allows us to resist our natural impulses, like hunger, self preservation and sacrifice resources for a better investment, etc.
Animals don't do these things

Actually while that is part of it basically the mind is more complex than that. Also that is how the human mind works we are more advanced in intelligence than animals. But the mind works in other ways as well, it recieve nerve messages like pain or if something is cold or feels good it also lets the body know if you need water or food other wise the body would starve or die of thirst and we would be unaware of it. Animals minds work the same in this respect, if a animal is hungry it seeks out food,
if it is cold it seeks shelter that is not only proof of animals having a mind but is a will as well as not all animals will follow their instincts to eat.
A mother bear for instance may be starving but she knows her cubs need food first so she searches for food for her cubs she will starve before she lets her cubs starve

 

[MattforJesus]

Does anyone think there are animals in Heaven? Jesus comes back on a white horse so I think there is....

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The spirit of people go upward for it shall return to God no matter how a person acted on earth, so the spirit is not part of anybody in the afterlife, but the soul lives on forever.

The spirit of the animals goes downward, and they return to dust.

God gave mankind salvation not to the animals.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

This heaven and earth shall pass away for it has been tainted with sin, which the heavens shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth shall be burned up, and all the works of it.

Jesus went away to create a new heaven and earth where sin has never been, and sin will never be.

And the former earth shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, for it is associated with sin and rebellion, and the angels and saints shall remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem, and will feel as if they have always been there and nowhere else.

So at the new earth a person would not remember their mom and dad, and would not remember their pets, for then they would remember the earth.

The saints will remember nothing of the earth, and what went on there.

And there is no need to have pets for our relationship is only with God, the saints, and the angels.

But that does not mean there is not animals there at the new earth as the case of Jesus riding a white horse, and the saints follow Him on white horses, but horses from earth would not be there.

But I believe these horses are a temporary manifestation, and will cease, but I do not know.

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
Rev 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

But there is the 24 elders, and the four beasts.

 

[Diakonos]

Actually while that is part of it basically the mind is more complex than that. Also that is how the human mind works we are more advanced in intelligence than animals. But the mind works in other ways as well, it recieve nerve messages like pain or if something is cold or feels good it also lets the body know if you need water or food other wise the body would starve or die of thirst and we would be unaware of it. Animals minds work the same in this respect, if a animal is hungry it seeks out food,
if it is cold it seeks shelter that is not only proof of animals having a mind but is a will as well as not all animals will follow their instincts to eat.
A mother bear for instance may be starving but she knows her cubs need food first so she searches for food for her cubs she will starve before she lets her cubs starve

Right. Animals have basic instincts (so do we), but we have also been given the faculty of reasoning that animals don't have. There's a pretty clear distinction between humans and all other creatures. Animals eat, sleep, migrate, (sometimes build), and protect their kin. Humans do all this too...but we also make vehicles, study our own anatomy, devise systems of investment like stock markets and real estate, apply mathematics, philosophy, go to the moon.....and best of all....commune with the living God.
This is all possible because we are made in the image of God= 3-in-one. We are body, soul and spirit (1 Thess 5:23)
God made animals first, then He said "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness"

 

[Blain]

Right. Animals have basic instincts (so do we), but we have also been given the faculty of reasoning that animals don't have. There's a pretty clear distinction between humans and all other creatures. Animals eat, sleep, migrate, (sometimes build), and protect their kin. Humans do all this too...but we also make vehicles, study our own anatomy, devise systems of investment like stock markets and real estate, apply mathematics, philosophy, go to the moon.....and best of all....commune with the living God.
This is all possible because we are made in the image of God= 3-in-one. We are body, soul and spirit (1 Thess 5:23)
God made animals first, then He said "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness"

Okay but then if animals don't have souls then why do they have personalities and quirks? basic instincts is one thing but personalities and odd quirks don't go with that. Also I don't think a soul has to do with intelligence and for that matter how does one define what a soul actually is?

 

[Diakonos]

Okay but then if animals don't have souls then why do they have personalities and quirks? basic instincts is one thing but personalities and odd quirks don't go with that. Also I don't think a soul has to do with intelligence and for that matter how does one define what a soul actually is?

Where does knowledge reside in a human? in the soul or the spirit?

 

[posthuman]

The spirit of the animals goes downward, and they return to dust.

Read the verse again. It's a question, not a statement of fact. It is a rhetorical question, which is a question that has an obvious answer.
The obvious answer is, you don't know, but God does.

You have the same breath of life as a horse, and like a horse you go back down to dust. Who knows whether your spirit goes up to God or down to sheol?

 

[Blain]

Where does knowledge reside in a human? in the soul or the spirit?

Actually it resides in the mind itself there is no evidence that the soul or spirit resides in the actual mind itself. in fact the soul is often times referred to your true inner self the mind is the brain. Of course if there is scripture to prove where the soul resides and what exactly makes a soul I haven't found it.

 

[Diakonos]

Actually it resides in the mind itself there is no evidence that the soul or spirit resides in the actual mind itself. in fact the soul is often times referred to your true inner self the mind is the brain. Of course if there is scripture to prove where the soul resides and what exactly makes a soul I haven't found it.

The way that teachers and scholars and students have discovered the difference and meaning of "soul" and "spirit" is by looking every occurrence of these words in the Bible. When you see how the "soul" operates, you get a better picture of what it is. Same with the spirit and body.
For example:

From just one verse, we can deduce that the soul contains knowledge. Of course these principles will be consistent throughout the Bible because it is flawless.
Here's a supporting verse or 2:


The proverbs verse not only corroborates the psalm, but it also offers understanding of the heart and its function and what it can receive. This is extremely extensive topic that I won't go into here. But If you look at every time body, soul, spirit (and their synonyms), you can see a clear distinction between the three and also understand their functions. Sometimes terms are used interchangeably to make a poetic point.

From the verses above, we can see that knowledge resides primarily in the mind, and wisdom resides primarily in the heart.
heart is usually the synonym for spirit
mind is usually the synonym for soul