Catholicism vs Protestantism
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Jesus is not the totality of the God that Paul worshipped. The Father is also God, yet the father is not Jesus, yet there is only one God.
You can dispute my interpretation of what Paul said to the Athenians, of course. There is the part a little bit further down in Paul's talk where he cites the Greek poet. That would lend weight to the idea that Paul was talking to the Athenians about a God that they had some ideas about already.
You can dispute my interpretation of what Paul said to the Athenians, of course. There is the part a little bit further down in Paul's talk where he cites the Greek poet. That would lend weight to the idea that Paul was talking to the Athenians about a God that they had some ideas about already.
Well, I'm going with what I believe you're attempting to say, but it's taking a lot of effort to make sense out of that string of words.
I think you are not quite understanding the idea of "apart". We talked about this already. A person who is saved all alone on an island is still a part of the church. And since the church prays for all people, if anyone is saved I cannot truly be said to be apart from the church.
I think you are not quite understanding the idea of "apart". We talked about this already. A person who is saved all alone on an island is still a part of the church. And since the church prays for all people, if anyone is saved I cannot truly be said to be apart from the church.
Yea but come on man they worship a god that deny's Jesus is the Son. It can't be the same God plain and simple. Specifically the Islamic faith denies Jesus is God, so who's God are they worshiping? Not mine. Can't be. Just as you imply by saying god isn't "agreeing 100% about every single characteristic", well on the flip side, it's not taking 1 generic trait like believing in 1 God, and saying "yep, same god" either. The more you learn about Allah, the more you realize he is satan from the bible. Muhammad's god is satan. NOT the "same God", please don't think or imply that. (I mean think what you want, of course, but I hope you get my point)
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1 you misunderstood me because I make mistake
What I try to say is
The statement :A "Muslim in the plan of salvation."
Do not mean only Muslim that never heard Jesus in the plan of salvation.
So Muslim in the plan of salvation not because never heard Jesus, but profess abraham faith.
2. Muslim in the plan of salvation do not mean every profess Muslim save
It similar to Christian in the plan of salvation, not every profess Christian save.
What I try to say is
The statement :A "Muslim in the plan of salvation."
Do not mean only Muslim that never heard Jesus in the plan of salvation.
So Muslim in the plan of salvation not because never heard Jesus, but profess abraham faith.
2. Muslim in the plan of salvation do not mean every profess Muslim save
It similar to Christian in the plan of salvation, not every profess Christian save.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
According to catholic the plan of salvation include those who acknowledge creator.
Definition of acknowledge
1.accept or admit the existence or truth of.
"the plight of the refugees was acknowledged by the authorities"
Who is creator?
John say
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Creator is jesus.
Is Muslim accept Jesus ?
Is muslim believe Jesus as the creator? NO
So Muslim not acknowledge the creator
According to catholic the plan of salvation include those who acknowledge creator.
Definition of acknowledge
1.accept or admit the existence or truth of.
"the plight of the refugees was acknowledged by the authorities"
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(of a body of opinion) recognize the fact or importance or quality of.
"the art world has begun to acknowledge his genius
Who is creator?
John say
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Creator is jesus.
Is Muslim accept Jesus ?
Is muslim believe Jesus as the creator? NO
So Muslim not acknowledge the creator
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The requirement to be save is not believe only one God, but believe Jesus.
Muslim believe one god that tell mohammad , Jesus not die on the cross.
So Muslim god salvation happen because Jesus willing to die on the cross so Muslim god attack the foundation of Christian faith
Believe there is one God but not believe Jesus do not mean better than other.
Quran 4:157-158
And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him. Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Mighty and Wise.
Muslim believe one god that tell mohammad , Jesus not die on the cross.
So Muslim god salvation happen because Jesus willing to die on the cross so Muslim god attack the foundation of Christian faith
Believe there is one God but not believe Jesus do not mean better than other.
Quran 4:157-158
And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him. Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Mighty and Wise.
Right!
Romans 2: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life.
If that applied to some Athenians, it makes sense to me that it would also apply to some Hindus and Muslims.
I think the Quran talks about Jesus, but someone in a strict Muslim society, have they really heard about Jesus? I would say no, of course God is the judge.
But Muslims have an advantage over Hindus and Athenians, imo, and that they acknowledge a Creator who is merciful. And I think that's what the lumen gentium is getting at.
Romans 2: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life.
If that applied to some Athenians, it makes sense to me that it would also apply to some Hindus and Muslims.
I think the Quran talks about Jesus, but someone in a strict Muslim society, have they really heard about Jesus? I would say no, of course God is the judge.
But Muslims have an advantage over Hindus and Athenians, imo, and that they acknowledge a Creator who is merciful. And I think that's what the lumen gentium is getting at.