Does God ever forsake you?
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The Lord will never leave or forsake you.
Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be opened.
The feeling you are missing is actually from yourself pulling yourself away from God. Be still and accept that God is near and that God hears you. Who would look at their child and say well you had another tantrum I'm not listening to you anymore? Though evil we treat our children better than that. Likewise God listens... And actually pulls you near him. Though you think it is you trying to reach him.
It is the heart of man that believes we are individuals and prideful bc then everything is done on our own. However.. God is all around and within. There actually is no "I." It is our pride that makes us believe we do it on our own, and then our downcast bc we were never created to be alone.
Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be opened.
The feeling you are missing is actually from yourself pulling yourself away from God. Be still and accept that God is near and that God hears you. Who would look at their child and say well you had another tantrum I'm not listening to you anymore? Though evil we treat our children better than that. Likewise God listens... And actually pulls you near him. Though you think it is you trying to reach him.
It is the heart of man that believes we are individuals and prideful bc then everything is done on our own. However.. God is all around and within. There actually is no "I." It is our pride that makes us believe we do it on our own, and then our downcast bc we were never created to be alone.
A lot of these folks are trying to answer your questions without knowing anything about you, including myself.
So I have a few questions for you.
Do you go to church?
Have you been baptized.
Are you saved but back slidden?
Have you ever been touched by the Holy Spirit?
J
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i think of it more that He is testing us, in the end we will be better prepared and thankful. is a child better prepared for the world if you do all the work for them?
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Many are called, but few are chosen, and when God calls a person He will work with that person to get them to the truth, and when they are saved then they have the Spirit, which Jesus will never leave or forsake them.
All sin can be forgiven even if you live in sin for a year, but God will not give up on you for the gifts and calling of God, are without repentance.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
But we cannot hold unto sin and be right with God, for then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.
So if we do sin we have to have the right attitude that we cannot hold unto sin and have salvation.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Some people hold unto sin and believe they still have salvation, and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, which He said turn away from those people.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
But these people can still be forgiven but they are not right when they hold unto sin, and some hold unto sin and believe they have salvation.
God's promise is to all who would believe and accept His Son Jesus Christ as Lord ( ruler of our life) and Savior ( defeated sin and death for us).
God can never go against His promise. God will never forsake you and you will see people through out scripture repeat that promise back to God.
The only forsaking that can take place is if we choose to defy or ignore God.
As for God and silence. Sometimes we have those seasons. Many in scripture only heard from a God 2 or 3 times in their whole life. Some none at all like Esther. God doesn't speak in the whole book. It is according to how you define God's presence. Esther may of never had the dreams, visions, burning Bush, or an Angel speak to her but God worked through her uncle Mordecai. And just like Esther I'm sure the Spirit is working in your life even if you dont fully understand how.
Some Christians have had seasons of great silence. Take what C.S. Lewis wrote about his feelings following Joy’s death in a series of notebooks that were later published just before his own death in 1963. Lewis’ most telling observation? The silence of God.
“No one ever told me that grief felt so like fear. I am not afraid, but the sensation is like being afraid. The same fluttering in the stomach, the same restlessness...On the rebound one passes into tears and pathos. Maudlin tears. I almost prefer the moments of agony. These are at least clean and honest...
...”Meanwhile, where is God?...When you are happy, so happy that you have no sense of needing Him...if you remember yourself and turn to Him with gratitude and praise, you will be – or so it feels – welcomed with open arms. But go to Him when your need is desperate, when all other help is vain, and what do you find? A door slammed in your face, and a sound of bolting and double bolting on the inside. After that, silence. You may as well turn away. The longer you wait, the more emphatic the silence will become...
Martin luther the reformationonce said,
“For more than a week I was close to the gates of death and hell. I trembled in all my members. Christ was wholly lost. I was shaken by desperation and blasphemy of God.’”
Even King David all throughout the psalms are seen in periodic battles in the silence of God.
Psalm 28 New International Version (NIV)
Of David.
1 To you, Lord, I call;
you are my Rock,
do not turn a deaf ear to me.
For if you remain silent,
I will be like those who go down to the pit.
2 Hear my cry for mercy
as I call to you for help,
as I lift up my hands
toward your Most Holy Place.
It took me years to feel God's presence only because I was ignorant to how God speaks, moves, or works within us. More often we over complicate it or expecting the wrong thing. And of course to feel God's presence takes one to be fully emerged in God. Sometimes you may not feel it but others around you can feel something different. I have had people at work just tell me I have a presence to me that is spiritual but for me it is just another day and yah I can see others enjoy my presence but I dont feel any different. For all know God is working through me even if I dont feek it.
Conclusion as in a warning. There are a things that can separate us relationally from God. Otherwise silence is oftentimes when God lets go of the handle bars to let us balance for awhile and after struggle and possibly failure, God never left or forsaken us but was close by the whole time. A mature believer has faith during those times, knowing God has answered all they could ever need already or that God will answer in His time and in His way.
The Lord is far from the wicked. (Proverbs 15:29)
The shedding of innocent blood. (Isaiah 1:15)
The willingness to ignore God’s commands. (Proverbs 28:9)
If we ignore immorality in our hearts. (Psalm 66:18)
We ask with corrupt intentions (James 4:3)
If husbands dishonor their wives (1 Peter 3:7)
Use prayer as a theatrical performance (Matthew 23:14)
There is 2 kinds of deliverance coming from God. One is when someone is saved eternally, the other is daily deliverance by relying on God thru it all.
Daily deliverance is in the likes of James 2..'faith without works is dead'
Eternal deliverance is in the likes of John 3:16 and 5:24
Once you sort the difference out, you'll see eternal salvation won't be undone. You can still grieve God, still be disciplined, still convicted... that's the daily deliverance.. but not condemned to hell.
Daily deliverance is in the likes of James 2..'faith without works is dead'
Eternal deliverance is in the likes of John 3:16 and 5:24
Once you sort the difference out, you'll see eternal salvation won't be undone. You can still grieve God, still be disciplined, still convicted... that's the daily deliverance.. but not condemned to hell.
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:13 (KJV 1900)
Some times God makes us sick of our sins and rubs our noses in them But this is the most effective means to repentance I've experienced. It guarantees you will overcome it.
Hello, to answer your questions,
no I’m not part of a church,
yes I was baptised as a child but not as an adult,
I couldn’t tell you if saved, i tend to lean towards me not been if I’m honest, it troubles my soul not knowing, I have believed for along time now but still haven’t properly started my walk with God, there has been no changing of the heart and I’m stuck in repetitive patterns of sin that I can’t seem to break out of,
I have felt the Holy Spirit twice before, once was the first time I ever said the sinners prayer and the second was when 3 Christians was praying over me. I used to feel Gods presence when I prayed but don’t anymore, I’m seeking and seeking but don’t hear or feel anything back as I used too. Something I have found is as my knowledge of God has increased, His presence has departed from me, as when I was sinning before I was unaware of my actions but now when I sin I know what I’m doing and continue to do so anyway which I thinks causes a distance between me and God. Like I said I feel as though I’ve never really started my walk with God, I always fall at the first hurdle, then get discouraged, then it takes me a while to start seeking again through feeling unworthy. After I first said the sinners prayer I started to get attacked in my sleep and told the person who told me about the sinners prayer about it, who advised me to say when these attacks happen “In the name of Jesus flee from me” which then the attacks would instantly stop proving there demonic nature. These attacks happened on and off for years, they always seemed to be more frequent when I was seeking the Lord, when I was in the world they never seemed to happen. Now the attacks never happen which actually concerns me as it makes me wonder if God has forsaken me and condemned me so the devil doesn’t need to waste his time on me anymore as my eternal fate is already sealed.
, post: 4227879, member: 212261"]A lot of these folks are trying to answer your questions without knowing anything about you, including myself.
So I have a few questions for you.
Do you go to church?
Have you been baptized.
Are you saved but back slidden?
Have you ever been touched by the Holy Spirit?[/QUOTE]
no I’m not part of a church,
yes I was baptised as a child but not as an adult,
I couldn’t tell you if saved, i tend to lean towards me not been if I’m honest, it troubles my soul not knowing, I have believed for along time now but still haven’t properly started my walk with God, there has been no changing of the heart and I’m stuck in repetitive patterns of sin that I can’t seem to break out of,
I have felt the Holy Spirit twice before, once was the first time I ever said the sinners prayer and the second was when 3 Christians was praying over me. I used to feel Gods presence when I prayed but don’t anymore, I’m seeking and seeking but don’t hear or feel anything back as I used too. Something I have found is as my knowledge of God has increased, His presence has departed from me, as when I was sinning before I was unaware of my actions but now when I sin I know what I’m doing and continue to do so anyway which I thinks causes a distance between me and God. Like I said I feel as though I’ve never really started my walk with God, I always fall at the first hurdle, then get discouraged, then it takes me a while to start seeking again through feeling unworthy. After I first said the sinners prayer I started to get attacked in my sleep and told the person who told me about the sinners prayer about it, who advised me to say when these attacks happen “In the name of Jesus flee from me” which then the attacks would instantly stop proving there demonic nature. These attacks happened on and off for years, they always seemed to be more frequent when I was seeking the Lord, when I was in the world they never seemed to happen. Now the attacks never happen which actually concerns me as it makes me wonder if God has forsaken me and condemned me so the devil doesn’t need to waste his time on me anymore as my eternal fate is already sealed.
, post: 4227879, member: 212261"]A lot of these folks are trying to answer your questions without knowing anything about you, including myself.
So I have a few questions for you.
Do you go to church?
Have you been baptized.
Are you saved but back slidden?
Have you ever been touched by the Holy Spirit?[/QUOTE]
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Don't worry about going to a Church.
Meeting with a group of people is irrelevant as far as your relationship with Jesus is concerned.
I believe that you will stop sinning when you have a relationship with God.
My advice is start reading the Bible.
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Baptism isnt what saves you but an outward confession and a inward image that connects what being reborn means. As baptism carries theological truth.
Take what Paul had to say.
Romans 7:15-25 New International Version (NIV)
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
In his mind he was still in battle but also logically he knew that he was equally delivered through Jesus Christ.
More charismatic teachings can be confusing because they involve a lot of energetic type of responses.
Salvation isn't complicated or a mystery. Scripture simply calls us to believe, confess, repent. Having faith in Jesus is our source of salvation.
My theological understanding which is debated but to me we still have free will. So to lose faith and walk away from the only source of salvation can lead to Hell. This doesn't mean God is any less faithful because like the prodigal son, he was immediately accepted back.
Out of faith we abide. Out of faith we act. Out of faith we follow.
In Luke we are told to carry our cross daily. Which means daily our journey will often be like Jesus's journey dragging His cross to Golgotha. Silence is part of the journey. Feelings come and go and are unreliable. What isn't unreliable is God's promises and the evidence that surrounds the Bible to its authenticity and truth.
In my dark times, it it is often the apologetics of my faith that logically grounds me to the understanding that my faith is based in truth even if emotionally I dont feel it.
It can certainly seem and feel that ways sometimes but no. You see his favorite game to play with us is hide and seek, he hides and we seek and seek and seek and when we find him he stays with us until he wants to play again.
Think of it more as a a child playing hide and seek with their beloved father, he adores those who seek him out and he always has this playful challenge on his heart as if he is saying come find me;b
GOD'S LOVE
John 1:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son... This alone can tell you how much God loves you. I mean He was ready to give up his only Son so that you can have salvation. Who else can do this but God alone. The bible goes on to say in Romans 8:37-39 ......neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord....So it doesn't matter how much you have sinned, God will always love you. Still remember King David? He is the one who took someone else's wife and killed him for it. But still, God called him a man after His own heart Acts 13:22. One of the great things David did was whenever he sinned he went before God, humbled himself and asked for forgiveness. So if you sin, no matter the nature of the sin or the times you have sinned, just go before him, humble yourself and ask for forgiveness. God is everlastingly merciful, he will forgive you.
POWER OVER SIN
But let us also try not to sin for sin is the only thing that can part us from the presence of God (Isaiah 59:1-2). If you find yourself doing the same sin over and over again why not take a minute to think about what exactly is causing you to commit that sin and why. Ask the Holy Spirit to help you defeat that sin because when we commit the same sin continuously it becomes a weakness and there's nothing the devil loves to take advantage of as our weaknesses. Remember the power to defeat that sin is no longer with God, it was given to you when Jesus died on the cross and rose up from the dead Matthew 28:18 and Luke 10:19.... Remember also, that sin comes wrapped within a temptation and there's always a way to triumph over that temptation 1 Corinthians 10 : 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
OUR FEELINGS AND GOD'S PRESENCE
Most of us have heard scientists testifying how our senses can mislead us sometimes...put your finger in hot water, take it out and immediately place it in cold water and you will have tactile illusion. This, right there, should warn us on how not to always lean on our senses to detect the presence of God. There are times when you pray and dedicate your time and focus to doing Godly things but still you don't feel His presence. Not feeling his presence doesn't mean he's not there. Always remember God is forever with us and will never leave nor forsake us Deuteronomy 31:6 Isaiah 41:10-13 So instead of consulting your feelings lean entirely on what God says in His Word.
Shalom!
That is a garbage statement that comes directly from the mind that is influenced by satan.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Gathering together not only is a requirement/command from Christ but it also helps the brothers and sisters in Christ to support each other, strengthens our faith, our ability to endure tribulations/trials, gives us boldness to glorify Christ and His gospel, gives us encouragement to be strong in the face of satanic opposition and to fight against garbage and satanic statements like you have just posted. It is impossible for any man to be an island alone.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
You insult God and His commands with that statement. Why is your statement satanic??? Because I am trying to talk to, minister to and answer the questions Mr. Jay3009 is asking and all you can do is break into the conversation with with an absolutely false statement that only satan would come up with in an effort to disrupt the conversation.
Brother, I used to ask for forgiveness each time I passed out drunk, each time I smoked myself stoned stupid, each time I rolled off some strange woman, each time beat someone up, each time I sinned. And the next day get up and do it all over again. I got into a real rut. I convinced myself that living for God would make me a sissy. I had friends and I wanted to keep those friends (who were pulling me down straight to hell). I even got into paganism and was doing rituals with wiccan women because you dance naked in the woods, do your ceremony, and have sex with some witch.
When I finally gave my life to God, I kid you not, it was like walking straight uphill for the first year or so. There were times I screamed at God asking why? For the most part, I never got an answer. But I kept on praying, reading my Bible, I refused to quit. Eventually one day, God answered me. I learned that God never puts upon you more than you can handle. He was preparing me for what is about to come.
You are in my prayers!
When I finally gave my life to God, I kid you not, it was like walking straight uphill for the first year or so. There were times I screamed at God asking why? For the most part, I never got an answer. But I kept on praying, reading my Bible, I refused to quit. Eventually one day, God answered me. I learned that God never puts upon you more than you can handle. He was preparing me for what is about to come.
You are in my prayers!
LOL no insult intended here but that statement "God never puts upon you more than you can handle" is an oxymoron.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
The above scriptures tell us that with Christ there is nothing that we can't handle which means there is no limit to what we can handle with Christ at the head of our lives.
You just don't get it do you?
This poster is lost and searching and all you're worried about is if we said something correctly.
You are playing with this man's Salvation!
He can feel he is in serious trouble and he asking Believers for help.
He don't no stinking rules, or even to be corrected.
He needs your Sympathy and Compassion and the Love of GOD you claim to possess!
He don't no stinking rules, or even to be corrected.
He needs your Sympathy and Compassion and the Love of GOD you claim to possess!