Trump - puppet or savior?

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Trump - puppet or savior?

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KJV1611

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cobalt1959 said:
Trump isn't the one instituting mass quarantines. The states and municipalities are doing that. I.e., it is the Governors that are turning their states off. Trump has nothing to do with that. I call this the Bill Maher Effect. And all Liberals do it. It's a simple formula:

A. Find a problem.

B. Point to problem A and then tell the populace Trump caused it.

The media does exactly this. Every. Single. Day. Any time you see Nancy Pelosi standing behind a podium, you know it's going to be because she's got something to blame Trump for. And whatever it is is usually a lie. Right now, it's "Trump didn't do stuff early enough." How early is good enough? He tried to smack a travel ban on people coming into the country from China immediately when the virus was discovered and spreading there. What did the people on the Left do? They completely freaked, just like they do any time anyone mentions enforcing U.S. immigration laws and tried to BLOCK the travel ban. They did that, not Trump, but now they are trying to blame him for what was actually THEIR stupidity. When Trump proposed a stimulus package to fast track aid when it came to health care and money for those put out of work, and the businesses affected, guess what? The Left didn't want to pass it at all, at first, then they wouldn't pass it until it was loaded with pork that did nothing for the victims of the disease. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how the National Endowments for the Arts, or Amtrak is going to help small business owners who will probably lose their businesses because of this uncalled for lock-down. You are doing exactly what they do. Pointing to Trump and blaming him for things he's not doing. Christians, if confronting an issue and feeling judgment is called for do it judiciously, wisely and make sure they are tagging the right people before they start tossing out accusations. And I write this not even liking Trump. I didn't vote for him, and I don't support him, but he didn't cause any of this. The media, and the talking heads on the Left caused this. And they did it with a conscious design.
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I agree with you for the most part and I dont like Trump, don't support him either. My point is that many Christians think that God sent Trump to save America... Where is the evidence of that, we're tanking, the elite are taking over this country and the world.

I don't see how anyone could say any different. So either 1) God didn't send Trump to save America or 2) God picked the wrong man to save America because he isn't saving America.

The obvious answer is that God didn't send Trump to save America.
 
1christian1

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EleventhHour said:
Sadly you are wasting your time.
Only a person who knows science can know what it is fact and what is not.
Therefore this sir is a fruitless endeavor.
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I agree with you 100%. I just believe that science and not politics or cronyism should lead the way. And I also want to thank you Eleven. Although we disagree on Issues. (which there are many LOL.) You always respond to me in a respectful, christian (as well intelligent) manor.
 
KJV1611

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1christian1 said:
I agree with you 100%. I just believe that science and not politics or cronyism should lead the way. And I also want to thank you Eleven. Although we disagree on Issues. (which there are many LOL.) You always respond to me in a respectful, christian (as well intelligent) manor.
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Did you know that science is now saying conventional science is a fraud? We live in a quantum universe, a simulation.
 
1christian1

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KJV1611 said:
Did you know that science is now saying conventional science is a fraud? We live in a quantum universe, a simulation.
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Are referring to Nietzsche's theory that life is an illusion???
 
KhedetOrthos

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KJV1611 said:
The way I see it, by all of this mass hysteria over a flu bug,
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This is not mass hysteria over a flu bug. Too many GOP voters (I am one myself) have forgotten that thou shalt not worship God and mammon. America as we know it has been rebelling against God for some time now. Over the past decade it has chosen to travel Sodom’s highway to destruction. Should judgement not come? For a materialistic people, is that judgement most likely to come in the economic sphere?
 
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Would you be ok with Trump setting curfews and quarantining people to their homes?
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That’s precisely what he should have done. Immediate, aggressive action to STOP the transmission of disease. Quarantine predates our constitution by oh, several thousand years. Sixteen Old Testament references alone.

Instead, we have a pseudo quarantine. Flights stopped from China, but not Italy (for almost two weeks), and flights back and forth to Mexico to this day. Americans have to stay home, but refugee processing continued (till Monday). What we have is a quarantine policy directed not by our doctors and scientists but by the business lobby. They want to open things up immediately. They didn’t want to shut them down initially. Soon they will be telling us why we have to reopen our borders and why we still must trade with China.

He did better than the democrats to be sure, but far too much input from Wall Street went into his decisions. The democrat party put the pursuit of power over people. The GOP establishment put the pursuit of profits over people.

“But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?” - Luke 12:20
 
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KJV1611 said:
I agree with you for the most part and I dont like Trump, don't support him either. My point is that many Christians think that God sent Trump to save America... Where is the evidence of that, we're tanking, the elite are taking over this country and the world.

I don't see how anyone could say any different. So either 1) God didn't send Trump to save America or 2) God picked the wrong man to save America because he isn't saving America.

The obvious answer is that God didn't send Trump to save America.
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Does America need saving ?
 
1christian1

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KhedetOrthos said:
That’s precisely what he should have done. Immediate, aggressive action to STOP the transmission of disease. Quarantine predates our constitution by oh, several thousand years. Sixteen Old Testament references alone.

Instead, we have a pseudo quarantine. Flights stopped from China, but not Italy (for almost two weeks), and flights back and forth to Mexico to this day. Americans have to stay home, but refugee processing continued (till Monday). What we have is a quarantine policy directed not by our doctors and scientists but by the business lobby. They want to open things up immediately. They didn’t want to shut them down initially. Soon they will be telling us why we have to reopen our borders and why we still must trade with China.

He did better than the democrats to be sure, but far too much input from Wall Street went into his decisions. The democrat party put the pursuit of power over people. The GOP establishment put the pursuit of profits over people.

“But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?” - Luke 12:20
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1) Trump does not have the authority to do any of what you said.

2) Our Gov. decided what was best for our State.(I was all for it).

3) The only flights entering the country were for Americans that work over seas.

4)Our doctor's and scientist's are The only one's screaming for Trump to tell all his followers that social distancing is the most important way to win this "war" as Trump put it.

And last but not least, Trump does'nt listen to anyone or anything other than Fox news...
 
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1christian1 said:
1) Trump does not have the authority to do any of what you said.

2) Our Gov. decided what was best for our State.(I was all for it).

3) The only flights entering the country were for Americans that work over seas.

4)Our doctor's and scientist's are The only one's screaming for Trump to tell all his followers that social distancing is the most important way to win this "war" as Trump put it.

And last but not least, Trump does'nt listen to anyone or anything other than Fox news...
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I think they never in their wildest dreams thought Trump would shutdown the country , they were trying to trap him and now he's put that hot potato back in their hands and it's backfired on them again ..
 
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KJV1611 said:
No I’m talking about science starting to accept a quantum universe.
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So you think that the scientist's have not known this and have not spent their entire life trying to solve the the mystery of God's Universe. I don't know, they have impressed a lot of scholar's thus far.
 
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bojack said:
I think they never in their wildest dreams thought Trump would shutdown the country , they were trying to trap him and now he's put that hot potato back in their hands and it's backfired on them again ..
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The States never considered this because they know that Trump does not have the authority over states. Never did never will, it is a Constitutional thing. What they were counting on was that as President of these United States He would do his duty. Trump holds that potato solely in his hands and chose to drop it...
 
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1christian1 said:
The States never considered this because they know that Trump does not have the authority over states. Never did never will, it is a Constitutional thing. What they were counting on was that as President of these United States He would do his duty. Trump holds that potato solely in his hands and chose to drop it...
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What role or influence did Dr Fauci or Birx play in the pandemic shutdown concerning Trump ?.. There is an intrastate commerce thing that is federal and also national emergency or martial law that can come into play .. My point was that I believe the way they accused Trump of pride that they expected him to go against any shutdown of our economy that was on fire but against their thinking Trump believed Fauci and Birx and put lives ahead of economic prosperity .. Now Trump has encouraged starting the US back to work and particular states governors are refusing .. People are getting restless and ready to get back to work that's the ''hot potato'' .. It is the demlibs who are social distancing the economy now and it's 6' down in the dirt if they continue ..
Go get'm President Donald J Trump
 
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1christian1 said:
Only from trump...
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Who called for companies to began making medical supplies ? Why was our supply of them left empty to begin with .. I'd say Trump rolled out all this stuff pretty quick , and my wife and I got 2400 dollars in our account last week ..
 
KJV1611

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bojack said:
Does America need saving ?
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I don't understand why you would ask that question. Our economy is in shambles, millions of people unemployed, millions of small businesses are shutting down permanently. We live in "new normal". Governors are putting forced vaccinations in place right now, just waiting on the vaccine to be developed.

Angenda 21 is coming to fruition right in front of our eyes. So yes, I believe that America needs saving.
 
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1christian1 said:
So you think that the scientist's have not known this and have not spent their entire life trying to solve the the mystery of God's Universe. I don't know, they have impressed a lot of scholar's thus far.
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Quatum theory is new, since Einstein I suppose. Science is just now embracing it and understanding it.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I don't understand why you would ask that question. Our economy is in shambles, millions of people unemployed, millions of small businesses are shutting down permanently. We live in "new normal". Governors are putting forced vaccinations in place right now, just waiting on the vaccine to be developed.

Angenda 21 is coming to fruition right in front of our eyes. So yes, I believe that America needs saving.
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Was Trump setting a trap , we'll see
 
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bojack said:
Who called for companies to began making medical supplies ? Why was our supply of them left empty to begin with .. I'd say Trump rolled out all this stuff pretty quick , and my wife and I got 2400 dollars in our account last week ..
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You do know that the 2400.00 you got in your account was a Democratic bill right? Which Trump opposed and when it passed, Trump insisted on putting his name on the checks.Trump is right about one thing. He does live in the greatest country in the world. At least it was before he came into office...
 
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1christian1 said:
You do know that the 2400.00 you got in your account was a Democratic bill right? Which Trump opposed and when it passed, Trump insisted on putting his name on the checks.Trump is right about one thing. He does live in the greatest country in the world. At least it was before he came into office...
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I thank Trump, it's got his name on it , you thank Fauci and the demlibs :) .. And we're going to make it great again
 
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