Are the pagan deities 'real'?

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Buffy doesn't have a hammer, and never will -
just listen and learn about the world's ways,
it's so enlightening and becomes comforting
when we realize Christ's Ways between all of the
'words'...
 
biker said:
Since you don't believe, or do believe it's either 1 or the other. You do believe in God but not Demons, or you believe in Demons but not God, or since this is a trichotomy, maybe you believe in YOU, and you see yourself as both God and Demon.
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If you're going to insist on a position that depends on the use of logical fallacies you can no longer expect me to respond.
 
biker said:
It seems you know the answer before the question. And it seems you are reading each post finding out who has a clue and who doesn't. Eventually, it seems like you will drop the hammer and gives us a final thought towards our knowledge of Scripture, the Adversary, and personal walk in God.
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What I think is inconsequential.
 
BuffyLou said:
God required sacrifice?
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God told the Jews to not sacrifice their sons and daughters to Baal, or Him.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to see if he was loyal to God, but when Abraham went to do it God stopped him for He was not going to allow him to do it, so there is no human sacrifice there.

God said thou shalt not kill, so why would God want human sacrifice for that would be a contradiction.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and God gave us His own human body as a sacrifice, for He laid down His life for the saints, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

So God did not have someone else sacrifice their life, but it was God's physical life.

Jesus is the invisible God in a visible manifestation, which God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.

God does not want anybody to perform human sacrifices.
 
BuffyLou said:
If you're going to insist on a position that depends on the use of logical fallacies you can no longer expect me to respond.
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I am weeding out the options that seem to be presented. On the other hand, your handling of these threads do not reveal much. So then, we are only left with guessing. Personally, I have no issue answering anything you ask, but it's more comforting to know which viewpoint (Atheist/Believer/Pagan/Wiccan/Undecided) you are coming from.
 
MattforJesus said:
God told the Jews to not sacrifice their sons and daughters to Baal, or Him.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to see if he was loyal to God, but when Abraham went to do it God stopped him for He was not going to allow him to do it, so there is no human sacrifice there.

God said thou shalt not kill, so why would God want human sacrifice for that would be a contradiction.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and God gave us His own human body as a sacrifice, for He laid down His life for the saints, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

So God did not have someone else sacrifice their life, but it was God's physical life.

Jesus is the invisible God in a visible manifestation, which God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.

God does not want anybody to perform human sacrifices.
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This would depend on whether Christ Jesus was 'human' or not. And if he was not human, was he not flesh and blood?
 
BuffyLou said:
What I think has no bearing on The Truth.
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Agreed. And the same can be said for all of us. But you just don't create a thread unless you are looking for something. Many times it is something specific. Are you seeking for something?
 
biker said:
But if she does not believe in God she does not believe in Demons. So, we are back to what False Dichotomy factually represents, a branching out from a source.
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A false dichotomy is the erroneous simplification of a situation into two mutually distinct options when there are in fact other options available and/or where the two options are not mutually distinct. As I mentioned to BuffyLou, it is a logical issue, not an issue of the truth or non-truth of the two options.
 
Dino246 said:
A false dichotomy is the erroneous simplification of a situation into two mutually distinct options when there are in fact other options available and/or where the two options are not mutually distinct. As I mentioned to BuffyLou, it is a logical issue, not an issue of the truth or non-truth of the two options.
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Agreed, but my intention was to get a definitive to which she has chosen not to offer. That to me seems illogical when she first created a thread to where these idealisms could arrive. Ultimately, it's very misleading. And until there is a reason for why, her response is nonsufficient and void. In my opinion, if you seek, you play the game both ways.
 
biker said:
Agreed, but my intention was to get a definitive to which she has chosen not to offer. That to me seems illogical when she first created a thread to where these idealisms could arrive. Ultimately, it's very misleading. And until there is a reason for why, her response is nonsufficient and void. In my opinion, if you seek, you play the game both ways.
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I agree; the responses and comments tend to hide more than they reveal. I addressed this already. However, she correctly identified your question and is under no obligation to answer it as asked. Try reframing it. :)
 
Dino246 said:
I agree; the responses and comments tend to hide more than they reveal. I addressed this already. However, she correctly identified your question and is under no obligation to answer it as asked. Try reframing it. :)
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True enough, as the same can be said for her making a thread, no one has to participate.
 
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biker said:
Agreed. And the same can be said for all of us. But you just don't create a thread unless you are looking for something. Many times it is something specific. Are you seeking for something?
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Absolutely. The Truth.
 
BuffyLou said:
But HOW and WHY and OF WHAT? I appreciate the necessity of faith (everything we presume to accept is dependent upon faith) yet I cannot accept something as true simply because one claims it to be so.
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You seem to be a big proponent of proofs. I would bet a proof in your view consists more on the lines of a Theory. And yet, even current Theories are continually changing by new discoveries. Are you even aware that according to "Pew Research," the Research done solely by Scientists themselves, discovered over 51% of all areas of Science, those within Science, believe in either a personal Deity or Higher Power?

I mention this because the K.O.B.E. Telescope Expedition completely destroyed our way of thinking towards the Big Bang Theory. In fact, after this specific Expedition, that proved no traces of Energy, no Singularity, and no "Laws of Physics" were present before the "Bang" took place. The majority of those who were part of this Expedition now believe in God! Even well known Astrophysicist from Arizona State, Krause, self proclaiming Atheist, humbled himself because not even a single trace of ingredients for his "Soup Theory" nor "String Theory" could be located before the "Blast." Even he admitted that the "Bang" itself created Energy, Singularity, and the "Laws of Physics" by which our entire existence depends upon.

I said all of that to say this, Have you even tested Eshu (Jesus) to see if He is real and exists?

One thing we know for certain, Theories will change with every new discovery. DNA is the perfect example and why many followers have abandoned Darwin for God. But the Theory, that is more than just an idealism, it is fact and a reality is Almighty God.

Try Him, put Him to the test, and discover for yourself just how REAL He definitely is!
 
biker said:
You seem to be a big proponent of proofs. I would bet a proof in your view consists more on the lines of a Theory. And yet, even current Theories are continually changing by new discoveries. Are you even aware that according to "Pew Research," the Research done solely by Scientists themselves, discovered over 51% of all areas of Science, those within Science, believe in either a personal Deity or Higher Power?

I mention this because the K.O.B.E. Telescope Expedition completely destroyed our way of thinking towards the Big Bang Theory. In fact, after this specific Expedition, that proved no traces of Energy, no Singularity, and no "Laws of Physics" were present before the "Bang" took place. Even well known Astrophysicist from Arizona State, Krause, self proclaiming Atheist, humbled himself because not even a single trace of ingredients for his "Soup Theory" nor "String Theory" could be located before the "Blast." Even he admitted that the "Bang" itself created Energy, Singularity, and the "Laws of Physics" by which our entire existence depends upon.

I said all of that to say this, Have you even tested Eshu (Jesus) to see if He is real and exists?

One thing we know for certain, Theories will change with every new discovery. DNA is the perfect example and why many followers have abandoned Darwin for God. But the Theory, that is more than just an idealism, it is fact and a reality is Almighty God.

Try Him, put Him to the test, and discover for yourself just how REAL He definitely is!
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That's nice...I do not understand how it relates to my point. I need some intellectual understanding of something before I can put my faith in it.
 
BuffyLou said:
But HOW and WHY and OF WHAT? I appreciate the necessity of faith (everything we presume to accept is dependent upon faith) yet I cannot accept something as true simply because one claims it to be so.
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Either absolute Truth exists or nothing can be said to be absolutely true. You subscribe/adhere to the latter view. You stand on sinking sand.
 
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