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There’s just one problem with this conclusion (that we will not be sinless until we are with Christ).
Christ said that those who attain unto the resurrection are as the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30).
The angels were not sinless, especially Satan.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment...what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conduct and godliness (2 Peter 2:4; 3:11).
Why do some believers have the impression that they will be sinless in heaven? Are we going to have some power that the angels didn’t have? And where does the Bible say that it won’t be possible to sin once we’re in heaven?
Christ said that those who attain unto the resurrection are as the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30).
The angels were not sinless, especially Satan.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment...what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conduct and godliness (2 Peter 2:4; 3:11).
Why do some believers have the impression that they will be sinless in heaven? Are we going to have some power that the angels didn’t have? And where does the Bible say that it won’t be possible to sin once we’re in heaven?
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Lol, continuing to believe is not disgusting and reprehensible.
If it is then the Bible teaches disgusting and reprehensible theology.
I showed you the passages that exhort and warn believers to keep believing.
Go ahead and argue the famous osas argument that it's believing for other than salvation purposes.....it's still the necessity to keep believing, the very thing you say is disgusting.
Jesus did not feel the need to do that.
Why do you?
If it is then the Bible teaches disgusting and reprehensible theology.
I showed you the passages that exhort and warn believers to keep believing.
Go ahead and argue the famous osas argument that it's believing for other than salvation purposes.....it's still the necessity to keep believing, the very thing you say is disgusting.
Jesus did not feel the need to do that.
Why do you?
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He did, because Jesus said that later in the Parable, but even if we go with the osas version of the Parable, the servant really was forgiven, and then that forgiveness was taken away. But osas is sure free gifts can't and won't ever be taken back and so salvation can not be lost. Osas has to insert another 'not really' doctrine into the Parable to make it so the servant who lost his gift of forgiveness was 'not really' forgiven in the first place. It does that with a LOT of scriptures. No honest person could swallow that in good conscience.
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heb 10
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(vs 10 "we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all)
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
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23-23Not a warning but encouragement to His children who are sanctified and perfected forever through CHRIST
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24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
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If you truly believe this is saying willful sin will make you lose the once and for all forever sacrifice of sin, you must also believe if you sin once on purpose you lost salvation forever.... He sat down, also read hebrews 6
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27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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We are His children... not adversaries.... like vs 13 who He will make His footstool AFTER SITTING DOWN and perfecting us forever through Jesus
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39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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Romans 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(vs 10 "we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all)
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
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23-23Not a warning but encouragement to His children who are sanctified and perfected forever through CHRIST
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24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
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If you truly believe this is saying willful sin will make you lose the once and for all forever sacrifice of sin, you must also believe if you sin once on purpose you lost salvation forever.... He sat down, also read hebrews 6
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27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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We are His children... not adversaries.... like vs 13 who He will make His footstool AFTER SITTING DOWN and perfecting us forever through Jesus
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39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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Romans 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Those who are saved, will be seen as righteous as Jesus is righteous having His righteousness and not thier own in regards to justification.🤦♂️
Our relationship with God is not like a job with a probation period, it is a new birth where He raises His children using encouragement AND chasteneing.
Our relationship with God is not like a job with a probation period, it is a new birth where He raises His children using encouragement AND chasteneing.
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Again not be truthful to what I was actually referencing.
They need to adjust the arguments of others enough to call it untrue then attempt to have the "truth" after knocking down their own version of what someone else believes.
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What do you think being under the law is?
And here is what Paul said. Just to be clear. He did say works!
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
why do you think your works are any different or more salvic than theirs?
And here is what Paul said. Just to be clear. He did say works!
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
why do you think your works are any different or more salvic than theirs?
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How can you confess a sin you do not even know you have committed?
Sorry but this makes no sense
The only unforgivable sin is to reject the gospel of Jesus Christ. ie, to blasphmene the HS (it is he who convicts, teaches, and draws us to him, to reject christ is to call the HS a liar)
Sorry but this makes no sense
The only unforgivable sin is to reject the gospel of Jesus Christ. ie, to blasphmene the HS (it is he who convicts, teaches, and draws us to him, to reject christ is to call the HS a liar)
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rules were made for sinners.
I am not a sinner, I am a justified, blood purchased Child of God who has been given the righteousness of Christ.
The rules you desire to follow condemn you here you stand, How you can look at them and not fall on your face in shame and fear is beyond my comprehension,
I am not a sinner, I am a justified, blood purchased Child of God who has been given the righteousness of Christ.
The rules you desire to follow condemn you here you stand, How you can look at them and not fall on your face in shame and fear is beyond my comprehension,
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