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I can do all things through Christ. 
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well yeah
But Jesus gave you rivers f living water flowing to eternal life.
Jesus gave you Food which will endure forever. Which those who partake of it will never die (you offered her manna, Something that will sustain her for now. But will perish, so she has to be fed again)
You offer her money, Jesus offered her life, through his love, Which is far greater than the money you offered her.
You have jesus, KNOWING she will occur a debt her whole lifetime, which she will never be able to pay. Saying, here, this will pay part of your debt, Now, Even though you can not pay for the rest of your debt. Try to enjoy the small time I give you.
see, You think you can earn your own way by paying for your own debt after you run out of the money in your senerio. The problem is you can't
The penalty of sin is death. Each sin you commit has attached a certificate of Death.
Money can not pay that debt
Works can not pay that debt
Religious tradition and ceremony can not pay that debt
Either Jesus paid you WHOLE debt,
Or he left you wanting. Because you still have no hope. even afterrecieving him. why? Because once you run out of "debt funds" which Jesus paid. Your own your own, the the first sin you commit, will bring with it your own deth penalty, Which you WILL be required to pay.
Good luck with that.
But Jesus gave you rivers f living water flowing to eternal life.
Jesus gave you Food which will endure forever. Which those who partake of it will never die (you offered her manna, Something that will sustain her for now. But will perish, so she has to be fed again)
You offer her money, Jesus offered her life, through his love, Which is far greater than the money you offered her.
You have jesus, KNOWING she will occur a debt her whole lifetime, which she will never be able to pay. Saying, here, this will pay part of your debt, Now, Even though you can not pay for the rest of your debt. Try to enjoy the small time I give you.
see, You think you can earn your own way by paying for your own debt after you run out of the money in your senerio. The problem is you can't
The penalty of sin is death. Each sin you commit has attached a certificate of Death.
Money can not pay that debt
Works can not pay that debt
Religious tradition and ceremony can not pay that debt
Either Jesus paid you WHOLE debt,
Or he left you wanting. Because you still have no hope. even afterrecieving him. why? Because once you run out of "debt funds" which Jesus paid. Your own your own, the the first sin you commit, will bring with it your own deth penalty, Which you WILL be required to pay.
Good luck with that.
We all started out as unbelieving sinners who may have even believed in the existence of God, even though we have not yet placed faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Would you consider merely believing in the existence of God as some level of faith? As an unbelieving sinner, I came to God asking for forgiveness after being drawn by the Father and being convicted of sin. (John 6:44,65; Romans 3:23; 6:23)
Well, do you sin 100% of the time?
Do you strive to not sin?
Or is sin something you cannot overcome.
Do you want to confess faults in a public forum? This should be done amongst ourselves in private. Confess your faults one to another (James 5:16).
You must have faith that at some point in your life you will perfect your walk with the Lord. Answering your question isn’t going to change anything, it’ll just bring more ridicule. Let’s just say, herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God and toward man (Acts 24:26).
Do you strive to not sin?
Or is sin something you cannot overcome.
Do you want to confess faults in a public forum? This should be done amongst ourselves in private. Confess your faults one to another (James 5:16).
You must have faith that at some point in your life you will perfect your walk with the Lord. Answering your question isn’t going to change anything, it’ll just bring more ridicule. Let’s just say, herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God and toward man (Acts 24:26).
...hence all the warnings and exhortations in the Bible to keep believing, right?
Shallow soil represents weak faith, not no faith at all.
Jesus himself said the 2nd type of soil believed.
But osas has to jump in and say 'believed' doesn't really mean 'believed' in order to strip the Parable of it's non-osas meaning, then uses an example of those who really didn't believe to prove that everybody who stops believing didn't really believe to begin with.
Shallow soil represents weak faith, not no faith at all.
Jesus himself said the 2nd type of soil believed.
But osas has to jump in and say 'believed' doesn't really mean 'believed' in order to strip the Parable of it's non-osas meaning, then uses an example of those who really didn't believe to prove that everybody who stops believing didn't really believe to begin with.
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No, you make it out to be that.
Which is curious because we both agreed that neither of us, personally, have had the experience of struggling to believe.
Besides, it is God who helps anyone who may be struggling to continue in their believing:
"Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you--guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us." - 2 Timothy 1:14
His help is there for anyone who wants to keep believing.
Which is curious because we both agreed that neither of us, personally, have had the experience of struggling to believe.
Besides, it is God who helps anyone who may be struggling to continue in their believing:
"Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you--guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us." - 2 Timothy 1:14
His help is there for anyone who wants to keep believing.
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You still refuse to answer YES or NO? I don't sin 100% of the time, but I don't claim to be sinless 100% of the time either. 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. So absolute perfection, sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time for us will not become a reality until we are present with the Lord, but that should be the goal to strive for. Set the bar high, not low. The word perfect doesn't always mean absolute perfection, but can also refer to maturity, which denotes those who have attained full development of innate powers, in contrast to those who are still in the undeveloped state of being children.
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No, God helps us guard what He has given us.
That's not an overestimation of the role of self in persevering to the very end.
That's Bible, as I've shown you.
And you overestimate God's preservation when you say you are preserved by having your free will to not believe taken away from you.
But you have no problem with us having that free will when coming to Christ.
Free will is fine before Christ for you, but becomes "despicable" after Christ.
That's contradictory and irrational.
That's not an overestimation of the role of self in persevering to the very end.
That's Bible, as I've shown you.
And you overestimate God's preservation when you say you are preserved by having your free will to not believe taken away from you.
But you have no problem with us having that free will when coming to Christ.
Free will is fine before Christ for you, but becomes "despicable" after Christ.
That's contradictory and irrational.
There should be warnings because not everyone has belief that is firmly rooted and established in the first place. Hence, the warnings. Those who continue to believe confirm that their belief was firmly rooted and established from the start. Those who do not continue to believe demonstrate a shallow, temporary belief that fell short of consummated belief, resulting in salvation.
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So weak it had no root and produced not fruit, which does not represent saving belief. The "shallow ground" hearer is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.
James 2:19 says the demons "believe." Same Greek word "pisteuo." Are the demons saved? Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It can't. Your biased logic just doesn't fit.
Believe really means believe, but to what level? Again, the demons "believe" in James 2:19, but they are not saved. John has portrayed people who "believe" but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.
Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed" in him turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. YOU CALL THAT SAVED?
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So weak it had no root and produced not fruit, which does not represent saving belief. The "shallow ground" hearer is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.
James 2:19 says the demons "believe." Same Greek word "pisteuo." Are the demons saved? Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It can't. Your biased logic just doesn't fit.
Believe really means believe, but to what level? Again, the demons "believe" in James 2:19, but they are not saved. John has portrayed people who "believe" but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.
Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed" in him turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. YOU CALL THAT SAVED?
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yep he gives us an escape
it does not mean we follow that path
Reality is many times we are sinning and do not even know it
Our issue is we look to commands, Well commands are there to how us our guilt..
I can be obeying commands, yet still be in sin.
Thats why it is dangerous to put urselves under rules. We need to put ourselves under Christ. and his love, so we in turn can share and love others.
ONLY then will our righteous deeds increase, and our unrighteous deeds decrease
it does not mean we follow that path
Reality is many times we are sinning and do not even know it
Our issue is we look to commands, Well commands are there to how us our guilt..
I can be obeying commands, yet still be in sin.
Thats why it is dangerous to put urselves under rules. We need to put ourselves under Christ. and his love, so we in turn can share and love others.
ONLY then will our righteous deeds increase, and our unrighteous deeds decrease