So we need to reach your certain level of knowledge for our opinions to matter? I'm not even trying to be harsh here, but you are basically appealing to yourself as the authority, or really kind of pointing to the amount of rime you've studied. Guess what? The truth is that if you've spent that much time studying a falsehood then it's really meaningless, or even worse a hindrance, the same exact thing goes for me too, for everyone. I absolutely hate the spirit I've been feeding here between me and some of the folks I've discussed this with, and we just talk in meaningless circles over each other and over, and over.... I want honestly just want truth, period. Any followers of Jesus want this, so I will hear you out, and it's not hard to believe, but I've spent more time at this point learning about your view than this "new" (new to me, but really old going back to the apostles) way God's open my eyes to. But I realize you are doing the same thing and I want to make it more clear moving forward that keep that in the front of my mind, of course when possible. Even if we disagree we aren't enemy's, and whether you're trying to scramble to warn everyone of the evil coming to smash this world, or proclaiming Jesus Christ King of all nations now!!! COME!! We are serving our King, and I trust Him to lead us to all truth, but knowing we are all commanded to proclaim His name to this fallen world until all enemies are made a footstool for His feet. Holla-Boo-Ya!!!.
What if Daniel did have a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks?
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Okay cool, and it's always been my understanding that this would be the case as well. This was how I always heard it taught, and this is what poses a roadblock to the idea these things will happen in the future.
Okay now another point I've always heard Christians agree on is this idea that scripture is "closed", that if anyone is to add to the apostles words that are to be cursed. This is what keeps any of these false prophets like Joseph Smith, Mohammed, or L. Ron Hubbard a second listen right. The idea that He has spoken to us through the latter day through His Son Jesus Christ.
I think we can get an idea of the problem I'm building up to here. #1. no temple since God ended the age and judged the covenant breakers, so Fact, no temple today. #2 Huge problem, Jesus never commanded us to build a temple in His word, unless you can show me, but not only that, but a fact 1 billion times worse is that the temple pointed to Jesus, it was all about Jesus, the Messiah that died to redeem His creation, to reconcile man to God for those who repent and turn to Him. Now we are, is work is done, what sense does it make at all to bring back a whole system to point to something that already happen. This temple make God kind of irrational, in my opinion. My last point is in case the whole "the Jews build it on their own" kind of argument, my problem with anything like this is #1 all this stuff is said to take place in "God's Temple", a bunch of bricks stacked by men and called "gods temple" do not make it God's, plus ONLY God's true temple can even be desecrated.
I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.
Okay now another point I've always heard Christians agree on is this idea that scripture is "closed", that if anyone is to add to the apostles words that are to be cursed. This is what keeps any of these false prophets like Joseph Smith, Mohammed, or L. Ron Hubbard a second listen right. The idea that He has spoken to us through the latter day through His Son Jesus Christ.
I think we can get an idea of the problem I'm building up to here. #1. no temple since God ended the age and judged the covenant breakers, so Fact, no temple today. #2 Huge problem, Jesus never commanded us to build a temple in His word, unless you can show me, but not only that, but a fact 1 billion times worse is that the temple pointed to Jesus, it was all about Jesus, the Messiah that died to redeem His creation, to reconcile man to God for those who repent and turn to Him. Now we are, is work is done, what sense does it make at all to bring back a whole system to point to something that already happen. This temple make God kind of irrational, in my opinion. My last point is in case the whole "the Jews build it on their own" kind of argument, my problem with anything like this is #1 all this stuff is said to take place in "God's Temple", a bunch of bricks stacked by men and called "gods temple" do not make it God's, plus ONLY God's true temple can even be desecrated.
I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.
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Can you explain why you think they cause a roadblock?
ok,
1st, There seems to be a misunderstanding. Who said God commanded anyone to build a temple? No one I have ever heard, Was a student under, Wrote a book I have read. Or people I know thinks God commanded anyone to build a temple. So if this is one basis for a barrier for you. Well this barrier should be removed, Because no one has ever claimed or said this
2nd. Prophecy. Prophecy is the act of God telling prophets to write down things which will happen in the future, They are literal events, Not commands. But peak into some future event which will happen. And of course, they serve one purpose. To Prove to whoever witnessed those events, That the God who fortold those things, is the one true God of the universe Since no other God can do what God has done, Which is fortell future events, and they happen word for word exactly as God said they would happen. So prophecy is not adding to the word of God. It is taking what the word of God has already stated will happen. And interpreting has been fulfilled as fulfilled. and what has not yet been see as yet future, but we can have faith those future events will be just as fulfilled as the past events were fulfilled
3. This is not about salvation. The priest who went into the holy place for the three years of Jesus ministry did not do anything which caused the forgiveness of sin for one person. It was, as all temple things were A picture if you will. of what the true messiah would do to make atonement for the sin of all mankind. So to try to make this a salvic issue, as some are trying to do. Is to take all things out of context.
now concerning the temple and prophecy
God said it will happen
I believe it will happen (because it has not happened yet)
No one will be saved by the jews rebuilding the temple
No one will be saved because a priest re-enters the holy place on the day of atonement
In fact, they jews who rebuild it are STILL in sin, Because if they received her messiah, they would never build the temple
But again, This does not preclude the fact, God said it will be rebuilt, A prince will commit an AOD. Immediately following will be a great tribulation. which will ONLY be put to an end by the return of Jesus.
OT prophecy also states, At the endof this tribulation. Israel will repent. Call out to JESUS (yes JESUS) as the tax collector did. Call out for him to come rescue them, and As the prophet says, that is exactly what he will do. He will save them, and the world (those who endure to the end) who have not rejected him.
It all fits as a neat little puzzle. As long as we take prophecy for what it is.. And do not try to make it something it is not
Prophecy of the temple is not for salvation. It is a look into the future of somethign That God has seen will happen.
I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.[/QUOTE]
ok,
1st, There seems to be a misunderstanding. Who said God commanded anyone to build a temple? No one I have ever heard, Was a student under, Wrote a book I have read. Or people I know thinks God commanded anyone to build a temple. So if this is one basis for a barrier for you. Well this barrier should be removed, Because no one has ever claimed or said this
2nd. Prophecy. Prophecy is the act of God telling prophets to write down things which will happen in the future, They are literal events, Not commands. But peak into some future event which will happen. And of course, they serve one purpose. To Prove to whoever witnessed those events, That the God who fortold those things, is the one true God of the universe Since no other God can do what God has done, Which is fortell future events, and they happen word for word exactly as God said they would happen. So prophecy is not adding to the word of God. It is taking what the word of God has already stated will happen. And interpreting has been fulfilled as fulfilled. and what has not yet been see as yet future, but we can have faith those future events will be just as fulfilled as the past events were fulfilled
3. This is not about salvation. The priest who went into the holy place for the three years of Jesus ministry did not do anything which caused the forgiveness of sin for one person. It was, as all temple things were A picture if you will. of what the true messiah would do to make atonement for the sin of all mankind. So to try to make this a salvic issue, as some are trying to do. Is to take all things out of context.
now concerning the temple and prophecy
God said it will happen
I believe it will happen (because it has not happened yet)
No one will be saved by the jews rebuilding the temple
No one will be saved because a priest re-enters the holy place on the day of atonement
In fact, they jews who rebuild it are STILL in sin, Because if they received her messiah, they would never build the temple
But again, This does not preclude the fact, God said it will be rebuilt, A prince will commit an AOD. Immediately following will be a great tribulation. which will ONLY be put to an end by the return of Jesus.
OT prophecy also states, At the endof this tribulation. Israel will repent. Call out to JESUS (yes JESUS) as the tax collector did. Call out for him to come rescue them, and As the prophet says, that is exactly what he will do. He will save them, and the world (those who endure to the end) who have not rejected him.
It all fits as a neat little puzzle. As long as we take prophecy for what it is.. And do not try to make it something it is not
Prophecy of the temple is not for salvation. It is a look into the future of somethign That God has seen will happen.
I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.
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There is no temple left for an abomination to stand in. That was destroyed in 70AD. So the abomination was the zealots using the temple as a fortress. The anti Christ are the Augustus from Titus to Diocletian fro 70 ad thru 298 ad. They persecuted the church and made who ever they captured pay tribute and sacrifice to the Augustus.
If that was your plan what you could have said is "I don't really understand this. Could someone please clarify this prophecy?" But you made a statement to the effect that the resurrection of Christ ushered in the 70th week of Daniel. Which -- as I said -- is PURE FANTASY.
Now if you want the TRUTH about the matter, then you need to understand that the prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel will only be fulfilled AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. It is only then (and actually after the Millennium) that everlasting or eternal righteousness will be established on earth. And that is the key to understanding this prophecy.
DANIEL 9: 24 -- GOD'S PLAN FOR ISRAEL AND THE WORLD
Seventy weeks... 490 years
are determined upon thy people... the nation of Israel
and upon thy holy city... Jerusalem
1. to finish the transgression... to destroy the Antichrist and his desecration of the temple
2. and to make an end of sins... to redeem and restore Israel under Christ
3. and to make reconciliation for iniquity... to reconcile believing Israel to God
4. and to bring in everlasting righteousness... to establish the righteous Kingdom of God on earth
5. and to seal up the vision and prophecy... to fulfil all prophecies
6. and to anoint the most Holy... to establish the eternal temple of God in Jerusalem with the most Holy Place.
Unless you carefully study the prophecy of Ezekiel, you will miss the meaning of the above interpretation.
Now why is Daniel's 70th week (seven years) in the future? Because it pertains to the Antichrist (the prince that shall come) and the future temple in Jerusalem (with its sacrifices and oblations), which will be desecrated with the Abomination of Desolation.
And he [the prince that shall come] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [within the temple at Jerusalem], and for the overspreading of abominations [by erecting the image of the Beast within it], he shall make it desolate [trigger the judgments of the Great Tribulation] even until the consummation [when Christ returns], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the earth to be desolated before the Second Coming of Christ]. (Dan 9:27)
Now if you want the TRUTH about the matter, then you need to understand that the prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel will only be fulfilled AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. It is only then (and actually after the Millennium) that everlasting or eternal righteousness will be established on earth. And that is the key to understanding this prophecy.
DANIEL 9: 24 -- GOD'S PLAN FOR ISRAEL AND THE WORLD
Seventy weeks... 490 years
are determined upon thy people... the nation of Israel
and upon thy holy city... Jerusalem
1. to finish the transgression... to destroy the Antichrist and his desecration of the temple
2. and to make an end of sins... to redeem and restore Israel under Christ
3. and to make reconciliation for iniquity... to reconcile believing Israel to God
4. and to bring in everlasting righteousness... to establish the righteous Kingdom of God on earth
5. and to seal up the vision and prophecy... to fulfil all prophecies
6. and to anoint the most Holy... to establish the eternal temple of God in Jerusalem with the most Holy Place.
Unless you carefully study the prophecy of Ezekiel, you will miss the meaning of the above interpretation.
Now why is Daniel's 70th week (seven years) in the future? Because it pertains to the Antichrist (the prince that shall come) and the future temple in Jerusalem (with its sacrifices and oblations), which will be desecrated with the Abomination of Desolation.
And he [the prince that shall come] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [within the temple at Jerusalem], and for the overspreading of abominations [by erecting the image of the Beast within it], he shall make it desolate [trigger the judgments of the Great Tribulation] even until the consummation [when Christ returns], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the earth to be desolated before the Second Coming of Christ]. (Dan 9:27)
And that is why there will be a future third temple erected in Jerusalem by Orthodox Jews who are expecting their "true" Messiah to come. Except that he will be a false Messiah.
Watch: Plans for Third Temple Have Begun
While most Jews mourn and pray, one organization has been busily preparing plans to rebuild.
"The Temple Institute has released a modern three-dimensional architectural rendition of the future Third Holy Temple, utilizing the latest building material and techniques..."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198621
Watch: Plans for Third Temple Have Begun
While most Jews mourn and pray, one organization has been busily preparing plans to rebuild.
"The Temple Institute has released a modern three-dimensional architectural rendition of the future Third Holy Temple, utilizing the latest building material and techniques..."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198621
Can you explain why you think they cause a roadblock?
ok,
1st, There seems to be a misunderstanding. Who said God commanded anyone to build a temple? No one I have ever heard, Was a student under, Wrote a book I have read. Or people I know thinks God commanded anyone to build a temple. So if this is one basis for a barrier for you. Well this barrier should be removed, Because no one has ever claimed or said this
2nd. Prophecy. Prophecy is the act of God telling prophets to write down things which will happen in the future, They are literal events, Not commands. But peak into some future event which will happen. And of course, they serve one purpose. To Prove to whoever witnessed those events, That the God who fortold those things, is the one true God of the universe Since no other God can do what God has done, Which is fortell future events, and they happen word for word exactly as God said they would happen. So prophecy is not adding to the word of God. It is taking what the word of God has already stated will happen. And interpreting has been fulfilled as fulfilled. and what has not yet been see as yet future, but we can have faith those future events will be just as fulfilled as the past events were fulfilled
3. This is not about salvation. The priest who went into the holy place for the three years of Jesus ministry did not do anything which caused the forgiveness of sin for one person. It was, as all temple things were A picture if you will. of what the true messiah would do to make atonement for the sin of all mankind. So to try to make this a salvic issue, as some are trying to do. Is to take all things out of context.
now concerning the temple and prophecy
God said it will happen Yep and it did just like He said, not like YOU say. He said within that generation.
I believe it will happen (because it has not happened yet<--- says you/not my authority)
No one will be saved by the jews rebuilding the temple Nope you're right, and it WILL NOT BE God's temple. That age is over forever, welcome to the age of grace and the kingdom of God, now not later. If you are born again you are in the kingdom.
No one will be saved because a priest re-enters the holy place on the day of atonement-duh, all completely pointless, like Jesus said "it is finished".
In fact, they jews who rebuild it are STILL in sin, Because if they received her messiah, they would never build the temple, and need God just like the rest of us, there is no Jew nor gentile, no male or female. I gotcha.
But again, This does not preclude the fact, God said it will be rebuilt, A prince will commit an AOD. Immediately following will be a great tribulation. which will ONLY be put to an end by the return of Jesus. No you are wrong here, you HAVE to presuppose another temple because you don't believe all these things are fulfilled. I do. God never says a 3rd temple will be built, please correct me with scripture if I'm wrong.
BTW you have a misunderstanding, I said God did NOT tell us to build a temple, see like in 1 Chronicles 6-7 He tells David Solomon is to build the temple. 6 “The Lord said to me, ‘Your son Solomon is the one who will build my Temple. I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. 7 I will make his kingdom last forever if he continues to obey carefully all my laws and commands as he does now.’ Without Him commanding it built, it's not His. See the point now because you're missing it.
OT prophecy also states, At the endof this tribulation. Israel will repent. Call out to JESUS (yes JESUS) as the tax collector did. Call out for him to come rescue them, and As the prophet says, that is exactly what he will do. He will save them, and the world (those who endure to the end) who have not rejected him. Nope and you acting like there is "another plan" for the Jews will send them to hell. EVERYBODY goes to the Father by Jesus only. The plan was fulfilled. They are to come to Him now, like ALL nations. Trying to push these events into the future messed ALL this up.
It all fits as a neat little puzzle. As long as we take prophecy for what it is.. And do not try to make it something it is not Yep and not your puzzle here, at all.
Prophecy of the temple is not for salvation. It is a look into the future of something That God has seen will happen. Duh, it's about the judgement that follows salvation.
I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.
ok,
1st, There seems to be a misunderstanding. Who said God commanded anyone to build a temple? No one I have ever heard, Was a student under, Wrote a book I have read. Or people I know thinks God commanded anyone to build a temple. So if this is one basis for a barrier for you. Well this barrier should be removed, Because no one has ever claimed or said this
2nd. Prophecy. Prophecy is the act of God telling prophets to write down things which will happen in the future, They are literal events, Not commands. But peak into some future event which will happen. And of course, they serve one purpose. To Prove to whoever witnessed those events, That the God who fortold those things, is the one true God of the universe Since no other God can do what God has done, Which is fortell future events, and they happen word for word exactly as God said they would happen. So prophecy is not adding to the word of God. It is taking what the word of God has already stated will happen. And interpreting has been fulfilled as fulfilled. and what has not yet been see as yet future, but we can have faith those future events will be just as fulfilled as the past events were fulfilled
3. This is not about salvation. The priest who went into the holy place for the three years of Jesus ministry did not do anything which caused the forgiveness of sin for one person. It was, as all temple things were A picture if you will. of what the true messiah would do to make atonement for the sin of all mankind. So to try to make this a salvic issue, as some are trying to do. Is to take all things out of context.
now concerning the temple and prophecy
God said it will happen Yep and it did just like He said, not like YOU say. He said within that generation.
I believe it will happen (because it has not happened yet<--- says you/not my authority)
No one will be saved by the jews rebuilding the temple Nope you're right, and it WILL NOT BE God's temple. That age is over forever, welcome to the age of grace and the kingdom of God, now not later. If you are born again you are in the kingdom.
No one will be saved because a priest re-enters the holy place on the day of atonement-duh, all completely pointless, like Jesus said "it is finished".
In fact, they jews who rebuild it are STILL in sin, Because if they received her messiah, they would never build the temple, and need God just like the rest of us, there is no Jew nor gentile, no male or female. I gotcha.
But again, This does not preclude the fact, God said it will be rebuilt, A prince will commit an AOD. Immediately following will be a great tribulation. which will ONLY be put to an end by the return of Jesus. No you are wrong here, you HAVE to presuppose another temple because you don't believe all these things are fulfilled. I do. God never says a 3rd temple will be built, please correct me with scripture if I'm wrong.
BTW you have a misunderstanding, I said God did NOT tell us to build a temple, see like in 1 Chronicles 6-7 He tells David Solomon is to build the temple. 6 “The Lord said to me, ‘Your son Solomon is the one who will build my Temple. I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. 7 I will make his kingdom last forever if he continues to obey carefully all my laws and commands as he does now.’ Without Him commanding it built, it's not His. See the point now because you're missing it.
OT prophecy also states, At the endof this tribulation. Israel will repent. Call out to JESUS (yes JESUS) as the tax collector did. Call out for him to come rescue them, and As the prophet says, that is exactly what he will do. He will save them, and the world (those who endure to the end) who have not rejected him. Nope and you acting like there is "another plan" for the Jews will send them to hell. EVERYBODY goes to the Father by Jesus only. The plan was fulfilled. They are to come to Him now, like ALL nations. Trying to push these events into the future messed ALL this up.
It all fits as a neat little puzzle. As long as we take prophecy for what it is.. And do not try to make it something it is not Yep and not your puzzle here, at all.
Prophecy of the temple is not for salvation. It is a look into the future of something That God has seen will happen. Duh, it's about the judgement that follows salvation.
I know that was a lot this time, but I thing it all builds a pretty strait forward case against even the possibility of another "God's temple". I hope this made sense and wasn't disrespectful at all, I appreciate the restart.
I reject your whole premise from the jump.
Wow so you're coming at me like YOU have all the answers and it's your wisdom I should lean on? Nope man sorry. Stop acting like your view is all mysterious and not taught in every church across the nation. And stop assuming I haven't been digging into this stuff since He changed me, acting like His Spirit isn't leading me like it is you is insulting. I didn't come for you to you to explain this to me, because I don't know you, this was the first time I've ever even read a comment of yours, I disagree with your view starting with a 3rd temple being built EVER, so please don't come at me like your "bout to teach me sumthin", I'll listen and consider it (and already have because again you're just parroting what all churches I know teach)
Nothing you wrote I haven't heard, nothing you addressed even touched the point I was making. Nothing at all. Talk about pure fantasy. Funny how those the most guilty like to point the most huh?
Wow so you're coming at me like YOU have all the answers and it's your wisdom I should lean on? Nope man sorry. Stop acting like your view is all mysterious and not taught in every church across the nation. And stop assuming I haven't been digging into this stuff since He changed me, acting like His Spirit isn't leading me like it is you is insulting. I didn't come for you to you to explain this to me, because I don't know you, this was the first time I've ever even read a comment of yours, I disagree with your view starting with a 3rd temple being built EVER, so please don't come at me like your "bout to teach me sumthin", I'll listen and consider it (and already have because again you're just parroting what all churches I know teach)
Nothing you wrote I haven't heard, nothing you addressed even touched the point I was making. Nothing at all. Talk about pure fantasy. Funny how those the most guilty like to point the most huh?
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I attempted to pull your responses out of the quote. I hope it worked.
can I get an answer to this question please?
Amen, And I know and agree with this
But that's not the point. The point is God said there will be a temple rebuilt. We should trust God that he knows what he is talking about. should we not?
exactly. But again, this is not the topic of our discussion or the topic of the prophecy concerning the temple where the AOD will put an abomination
Even if it happened in AD 70 (it did not) it still would be literally fulfilled. Lets try to keep it that way. As all prophecy should be kept
When were they fullfilled? can you show me where literally all the things which were spoken have been completed?
1. When did the AOD put an abomination inside the holy place were EVERYONE could visually see it?
2. When did the great tribulation occur which was so severe. all life on earth was threatened?
3. When did Jesus said enough is enough. and return to earth because if he did not. All flesh would die? and because of the elect. He returned.
Please show me when these occurred.
And I did show you scripture. and evidence that the second temple in Christ day is not the one in Daniel. or matt 24
That has no bearing on our discussion my friend
Jesus did not tell anyone to build a temple in which the AOD will occur.
God gave us prophecy that a temple will be standing, and an AOD will occur in that temple.
Thats how prophecy works my friend
Nope. I never said there was another plan for the jew which will get them to heaven. Your again making this a salvation issue, Its not. Will you please try to understand, Prophecy speaks of things which will happen on the earth. That is what this is about. Not what gets people to heaven.
I do not think you grasp the meaning of prophecy. Maybe we can get into the purpose behind why God says things will happen?
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yet my puzzle makes history and future events fit like a picture.
No, Its about future events which will happen on earth And used to encourage people in time of great distress to give them hope. That God already witnessed these events, He showed when they will happen and how. And this hope will cause people to see him as the one true God, who can look into the future and see things happen thousands of year in advance.
can I get an answer to this question please?
Amen, And I know and agree with this
But that's not the point. The point is God said there will be a temple rebuilt. We should trust God that he knows what he is talking about. should we not?
exactly. But again, this is not the topic of our discussion or the topic of the prophecy concerning the temple where the AOD will put an abomination
Even if it happened in AD 70 (it did not) it still would be literally fulfilled. Lets try to keep it that way. As all prophecy should be kept
When were they fullfilled? can you show me where literally all the things which were spoken have been completed?
1. When did the AOD put an abomination inside the holy place were EVERYONE could visually see it?
2. When did the great tribulation occur which was so severe. all life on earth was threatened?
3. When did Jesus said enough is enough. and return to earth because if he did not. All flesh would die? and because of the elect. He returned.
Please show me when these occurred.
And I did show you scripture. and evidence that the second temple in Christ day is not the one in Daniel. or matt 24
That has no bearing on our discussion my friend
Jesus did not tell anyone to build a temple in which the AOD will occur.
God gave us prophecy that a temple will be standing, and an AOD will occur in that temple.
Thats how prophecy works my friend
Nope. I never said there was another plan for the jew which will get them to heaven. Your again making this a salvation issue, Its not. Will you please try to understand, Prophecy speaks of things which will happen on the earth. That is what this is about. Not what gets people to heaven.
I do not think you grasp the meaning of prophecy. Maybe we can get into the purpose behind why God says things will happen?
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yet my puzzle makes history and future events fit like a picture.
No, Its about future events which will happen on earth And used to encourage people in time of great distress to give them hope. That God already witnessed these events, He showed when they will happen and how. And this hope will cause people to see him as the one true God, who can look into the future and see things happen thousands of year in advance.
Watched enough of this video to have a good chuckle!
He says that premillenialists teach that Jesus intended at his first coming to establish an earthly kingdom, but that Jewish opposition changed God's plan, and so the crucifixion was "Plan B" - !! ?? (Do any premillenianists out there believe this way?)
Here is Daniel 9:26,27 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I keep hearing some say that the text does not say there is a gap after the first 69 sevens. Only if you come to the text with the assumption that there is no gap and then read that assumption into the text.
A straightforward reading of the text gives two things that happen after the 62 sevens:
(1) the cutting off of the Messiah
(2) the destruction of Jerusalem (which happened in AD 70)
Then only in verse 27 is the seventieth week mentioned. Thus the logical assumption from the text is that the 70'th seven begins sometime after 70 AD. So the gap is clearly given in the text.
He says that premillenialists teach that Jesus intended at his first coming to establish an earthly kingdom, but that Jewish opposition changed God's plan, and so the crucifixion was "Plan B" - !! ?? (Do any premillenianists out there believe this way?)
Here is Daniel 9:26,27 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I keep hearing some say that the text does not say there is a gap after the first 69 sevens. Only if you come to the text with the assumption that there is no gap and then read that assumption into the text.
A straightforward reading of the text gives two things that happen after the 62 sevens:
(1) the cutting off of the Messiah
(2) the destruction of Jerusalem (which happened in AD 70)
Then only in verse 27 is the seventieth week mentioned. Thus the logical assumption from the text is that the 70'th seven begins sometime after 70 AD. So the gap is clearly given in the text.
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But what follows #3? Could it be #4? What happens in the middle of the 70th week? Jesus confirms the covenant (already in existence). He is cut off but not for himself = (substitutionary death on the cross). He puts an end to the sacrifice with the sacrifice of himself. If there is a Gap, and you turn him into Antichrist, the grammar does not allow for.
The people of the prince that shall come are not the prince. And they are plural, not singular which your Antichrist theory calls for.
The people of the prince that shall come are not the prince. And they are plural, not singular which your Antichrist theory calls for.
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