Man, The Cross , and The KJV

[ChosenbyHim]

Another episode from Above God's Name. Man, The Cross and The KJV. Author G. Jon Rov, of the book "Concealed From Christians for the Glory of God, The 1611 KJV" and Christian Rap Artist and Pastor of Prophecy Christian Ministries, The Prophet X, bring another exciting and revelation packed episode to you discussing chapter 14 of the book regarding Jesus and the Nature of the Bible. This clear and concise teaching from the King James Bible that the KJV is the finished word of God.

Further Description:

"The Cross is the vortex center of the world and history. From the beginning, the Bible and Jesus were always moving closer to this center point and to each other, until they would meet in person at the Cross. All things working together, Jesus literally crossed paths with the Bible at the Cross to share sufferings. It was necessary, due to their two fold nature, that they die together in picture. And so, it was: And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS... and it was written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin (John 19:19, 20).

"You might think that the call to "come down from the cross" only applies to Jesus, but it also applies to the Bible. It too had to pass through death in order to mature in life and take its high and lifted up place at God's right hand. The death of the Bible took place with Jesus on the cross at the hands of wicked men. But how? Am I saying that Jesus, who is the Word of God, was crucified, therefore the Bible in Him as well? I am saying that, but I am also saying much, much more."

Even as the Romans did not know they had nailed Jesus, the Word of God, to the cross, so they did not know they had nailed the Bible, the word of God to the cross either. Both had been crucified. The Spirit gives a second witness to this through Paul in Colossians 2:14, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. " The choice of the word "blotting" refers to the blood of Jesus. The "handwriting of ordinances" refers to the law given to Moses written by God's finger. This amounts to the Bible, and "it" was nailed to "his cross" when Pilate nailed the "superscription" to the cross. The second point that we must see is that the "superscription" was written in "Hebrew and Greek and Latin." This was prophetically representing the plenary of the Bible which had been nailed to the cross. As the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, this was the seed of the Bible. The emerging New Testament, written in Greek, was the growth. The Latin, of course, was the seed of English, and therefore represented the maturity of the Bible as it would come to be In the King James Version."

- Brother G. John Rov, Concealed from Christian's for the Glory of the God (The 1611 KJV, The King James Bible Authorized Version, Pgs. 54-55)

 

[CS1]

Another episode from Above God's Name. Man, The Cross and The KJV. Author G. Jon Rov, of the book "Concealed From Christians for the Glory of God, The 1611 KJV" and Christian Rap Artist and Pastor of Prophecy Christian Ministries, The Prophet X, bring another exciting and revelation packed episode to you discussing chapter 14 of the book regarding Jesus and the Nature of the Bible. This clear and concise teaching from the King James Bible that the KJV is the finished word of God.

Further Description:

"The Cross is the vortex center of the world and history. From the beginning, the Bible and Jesus were always moving closer to this center point and to each other, until they would meet in person at the Cross. All things working together, Jesus literally crossed paths with the Bible at the Cross to share sufferings. It was necessary, due to their two fold nature, that they die together in picture. And so, it was: And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS... and it was written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin (John 19:19, 20).

"You might think that the call to "come down from the cross" only applies to Jesus, but it also applies to the Bible. It too had to pass through death in order to mature in life and take its high and lifted up place at God's right hand. The death of the Bible took place with Jesus on the cross at the hands of wicked men. But how? Am I saying that Jesus, who is the Word of God, was crucified, therefore the Bible in Him as well? I am saying that, but I am also saying much, much more."

Even as the Romans did not know they had nailed Jesus, the Word of God, to the cross, so they did not know they had nailed the Bible, the word of God to the cross either. Both had been crucified. The Spirit gives a second witness to this through Paul in Colossians 2:14, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. " The choice of the word "blotting" refers to the blood of Jesus. The "handwriting of ordinances" refers to the law given to Moses written by God's finger. This amounts to the Bible, and "it" was nailed to "his cross" when Pilate nailed the "superscription" to the cross. The second point that we must see is that the "superscription" was written in "Hebrew and Greek and Latin." This was prophetically representing the plenary of the Bible which had been nailed to the cross. As the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, this was the seed of the Bible. The emerging New Testament, written in Greek, was the growth. The Latin, of course, was the seed of English, and therefore represented the maturity of the Bible as it would come to be In the King James Version."

- Brother G. John Rov, Concealed from Christian's for the Glory of the God (The 1611 KJV, The King James Bible Authorized Version, Pgs. 54-55)

This KJV only is getting old fast. The false narrative and limitation of The Lord Jesus is hidden under the theological concept

Hypostatic Union

Please don't fall for this. Hebrew 1:3 is just one verse that clearly explains Jesus Perfectly from Eternality completed the will of the Father. HE did not become perfect over time the completion of Gods word did happen over time. IF these so-called prophets who Jeremiah a real prophet warned us about, understood bible context. They would not be attacking the deity of Christ and the word of God. This is a jerry springer show that is it.

 

[HWatts]

I bought a King James 1611 facsimile from greatsite.com a few years ago. Black letter, I think it's called. Not too hard to read, but some folks who look think it a foreign language. Some of the more obscure OT people and place names can be challenging, and now and then a familiar word will cause a stumble.

As a child, I grew up with the KJV, but as a teen, I acquired an NASB, using it almost exclusively for a few years. Now I use an ESV, NKJV, NASB and KJV about equally. So, I then do prefer the KJV family, as the other three are its descendants. Never did like the original NIV, though my conservative parents changed to it, for clarity. Subsequent changes to the NIV... failed to change my mind. Guess I like Tyndale's phrases.

I am well aware of issues pertaining to the underlying texts used for, say, the NASB and KJV. Honestly, imo actually studying any one of these versions can save and/or strengthen the reader. Much more efficacy in that than arguing about these translations' respective merits and deficiencies, and all have examples of both. So much of that going on.

I read no Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew, so I must use a translation If I learned me some Hebrew then I could read the old and new testament originals that God handed to Noah as he loaded up, for something to read during the cruise. That is about how some remarks I've read on the internet sound to me.

 

[JaumeJ]

When the Holy Spirit guides one may obtain truth from a dictionary, however do not wait for this to occur.

I was raised hearing from the KJV and sometimes the ASV. The first time I read throught the Word, several times, I read the Oxford Study Bible. Since then I haave read many versions of the Word in English, from many versions in French, Spanish, and other languages. I was blessed to be able to read the Word in Hebrew with some Aramaic, andthat includes the Gospels.

Before haaving read, the infilling of the Holy Spirit taught me all I need to know about Salvation and Jesus-Yeshua. For the longest time I could not hide my indignation concerning how the truth has been so perverted since our Lord first came to us inthe flesh. I recommend in study to pay closest attention wo His teaching, and all will be very clear. Going into what appears to be the problems of past specific assemblies may be quite helpful, but do not get hung up on them.

We are become children of Abraham (Father of the Peaoples), and our faith should be that of Abraham, that is the same as he demonstrated in his very being.

You love and believe Jesus-Yeshua? You are my family. God bless you always..He does without my need to make mention but it is nice to be reminded.

PS..I almost forgot. I love the KJV, my very old friend...

 

[ChosenbyHim]

This KJV only is getting old fast. The false narrative and limitation of The Lord Jesus is hidden under the theological concept

Hypostatic Union

Please don't fall for this. Hebrew 1:3 is just one verse that clearly explains Jesus Perfectly from Eternality completed the will of the Father. HE did not become perfect over time the completion of Gods word did happen over time.

CS1, I clearly gave you Scripture which clearly shows that Jesus Christ as a Man did go through a process of growth and perfection. As God, we understand that Jesus Christ was already perfect, but in His human Nature, He went through a process of growth, and He was made perfect, just as Hebrews 5:9 says. Just as the Bible went through a process of Seed stage (Hebrew), Growth (Greek) and Perfection and Maturity (English).

IF these so-called prophets who Jeremiah a real prophet warned us about, understood bible context. They would not be attacking the deity of Christ and the word of God. This is a jerry springer show that is it.

CS1, I am not attacking the deity of Jesus Christ at all. I already mentioned unto you that I believe that Jesus Christ was both God and Man while He was on this earth performing His earthly ministry. Jesus being both 100% God and 100% Man at the same time is a great mystery, and that is basically what the hypostatic union is.


As a Man, Jesus Christ hungered (Matthew 4:2), Thirsted (John 19:28), got tired and slept (Matthew 8:25; Mark 4:38), and was confined to one location at a time, which Is why He had to travel, sometimes even for days on foot (Mark 2:1; Mark 6:56; Mark 7:24; and Mark 11:11). And sometimes he traveled by ship (Matthew 9:1; Mark 8:10).


As God though, Jesus did not hunger, thirst, get tired or travel. For as God, He was and is Omnipresent. And we also know that God does not get hungry, neither does He get tired. Nevertheless, as a Man, Jesus experienced things like hunger, thirst, pain, sorrow and so forth.

Also CS1, I am not attacking the word of God. I am defending the word of God and showing why I believe that the King James Holy Bible Is the very Bible which God has finished.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Even as the Romans did not know they had nailed Jesus, the Word of God, to the cross, so they did not know they had nailed the Bible, the word of God to the cross either. Both had been crucified.

While I use the King James Bible exclusively, and recommend that all Christians do the same, I am unable to see how the Bible was crucified with Christ. I believe that kind of teaching will only bring derision to those who mock Christians about using the KJB exclusively.

Also, on the cross, Jesus of Nazareth was the Lamb of God, and in particular the ultimate Passover Lamb (not to mention that He wrapped up all the various sacrifices and offerings in Himself). Hence Paul says "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us".

There is generally gross ignorance about the underlying issues related to modern bible versions. But that is a different subject.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

When the Holy Spirit guides one may obtain truth from a dictionary, however do not wait for this to occur.

I was raised hearing from the KJV and sometimes the ASV. The first time I read throught the Word, several times, I read the Oxford Study Bible. Since then I haave read many versions of the Word in English, from many versions in French, Spanish, and other languages. I was blessed to be able to read the Word in Hebrew with some Aramaic, andthat includes the Gospels.

Before haaving read, the infilling of the Holy Spirit taught me all I need to know about Salvation and Jesus-Yeshua. For the longest time I could not hide my indignation concerning how the truth has been so perverted since our Lord first came to us inthe flesh. I recommend in study to pay closest attention wo His teaching, and all will be very clear. Going into what appears to be the problems of past specific assemblies may be quite helpful, but do not get hung up on them.

We are become children of Abraham (Father of the Peaoples), and our faith should be that of Abraham, that is the same as he demonstrated in his very being.

You love and believe Jesus-Yeshua? You are my family. God bless you always..He does without my need to make mention but it is nice to be reminded.

PS..I almost forgot. I love the KJV, my very old friend...

Jaumel, thank you for sharing some of your background and experience.

While I understand that portions of the word can be found in modern versions, nevertheless, for one to have the complete, entire, and perfect word of God, they must have a King James Holy Bible.

While the modern versions may have a lot of truths in them, at the same time, they still have heresy, error and leaven in them as well. Hence, modern versions like the ESV, NIV, TNIV, Mess, LB, etc. are not perfect. Hence, they are not the word of God.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

While I use the King James Bible exclusively, and recommend that all Christians do the same, I am unable to see how the Bible was crucified with Christ. I believe that kind of teaching will only bring derision to those who mock Christians about using the KJB exclusively.

Also, on the cross, Jesus of Nazareth was the Lamb of God, and in particular the ultimate Passover Lamb (not to mention that He wrapped up all the various sacrifices and offerings in Himself). Hence Paul says "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us".

There is generally gross ignorance about the underlying issues related to modern bible versions. But that is a different subject.

While I use the King James Bible exclusively, and recommend that all Christians do the same, I am unable to see how the Bible was crucified with Christ. I believe that kind of teaching will only bring derision to those who mock Christians about using the KJB exclusively.

Also, on the cross, Jesus of Nazareth was the Lamb of God, and in particular the ultimate Passover Lamb (not to mention that He wrapped up all the various sacrifices and offerings in Himself). Hence Paul says "Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us".

There is generally gross ignorance about the underlying issues related to modern bible versions. But that is a different subject.

Nehemiah6, I understand that this teaching is not going to be quite easy for Christians to comprehend. And that most will probably reject it. But from the Scriptures that brother John G. Rov gives in his video:

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Ephesians 2:14-16
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; {15} Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; {16} And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

As brother John continued his teaching and explanation in his video, I could definitely see how the word of God was crucified with Christ on the Cross. Due to their two fold nature; that is, the two fold nature of both Christ Jesus and the word of God and their Unity and Oneness together, I began to understand that both Jesus Christ and the word of God would both fulfil the same mission and ministry. And that what is true of Jesus Christ, must also be true of the Holy Bible. Which also is why they both possess the very same attributes. For whatsoever is ascribed to Christ (goodness, holy, pure, righteous, faithful, faithfulness, and so forth.), also is ascribed unto the Bible. Just as we have seen in previous threads of mine dealing with this unique subject.

 

[Dino246]

Nehemiah6, I understand that this teaching is not going to be quite easy for Christians to comprehend. And that most will probably reject it. But from the Scriptures that brother John G. Rov gives in his video: ...

It's not hard to comprehend at all, but it is ridiculous hogwash, and worthy of rejection. Apparently the guy in the video doesn't understand the concept of "metaphor"... and as you're peddling his false teaching, neither do you.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

It's not hard to comprehend at all, but it is ridiculous hogwash, and worthy of rejection.

Dino, you reject it because you cannot understand the facts which brother John presents in his study.

Apparently the guy in the video doesn't understand the concept of "metaphor"... and as you're peddling his false teaching, neither do you.

Dino, the requirements of the Mosaic Law were in fact abolished at the cross, just as it says in Colossians 2:14.

For the New Testament did not come into operation until the Death of Christ. See Hebrews 9:14.

 

[Dino246]

Dino, you reject it because you cannot understand the facts which brother John presents in his study.

Fallacy: ad hominem. You don't know jack about me.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Fallacy: ad hominem. You don't know jack about me.

I know that you do not hold the Bible in high esteem. I know that much.

 

[Dino246]

I know that you do not hold the Bible in high esteem. I know that much.

I yawn in your general direction.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

I know that you do not hold the Bible in high esteem. I know that much.

We hold the Bible in VERY HIGH esteem. Without it, we do not know the gospel. We just just hold your baloney in high esteem. In fact, it’s buffoonery to the nth degree.

 

[JaumeJ]

The Gospel was given me (and I believe to all) without the written Word, for the Written Word without the Holy Spirit is death, it kills.

When I yielded to our Father, He gave me all I needed to know saying "Everything is going to be just fine." He then led me to the Bible which I read like a starving man would eat a cheeseburger……...non-stop. Praise God, amen

 

[Angela53510]

Didn't we just go through this on another thread in this forum? And about 1000 other threads over the years?

I cannot read the KJV because I do not understand the grammar and vocabulary. There are so many good translations. I just can't fathom why this KJV ONLY even exists. I have no problem with anyone using the KJV as their Bible. People should read the version where God speaks through the words and helps them grow and live and serve God!

KJV Onlyists are a desperate cult. And OP, don't make any assumptions about me. I'm sure I have been a Christian longer than you, read the Bible from cover to cover more times than you. And I am more educated theologically than you. Don't tell me I can't see the truth. I see it all too well. And that you are totally ignorant with regards to understanding manuscript evidence, because your cult leaders have led you astray!

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

@WithinReason goes MIA on 4/9/2020. @ChosenbyHim starts posting again 4/10/2020 after not posting since sometime in 2017. Both are rabid KJVO'ers too. 6/8/2017 was the last time @ChosenbyHim posted.

 

[JamOn]

Another episode from Above God's Name.

from above God’s name do what?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Wow the OP is so bad I don't even know where to start.
I guess the opening line, " From above God's name"? So this guy thinks his teaching is above God. That's red flag #1.
Then, what does "Concealed From Christians for the Glory of God, The 1611 KJV" supposed to mean?

"the Bible and Jesus were always moving closer to this center point and to each other, until they would meet in person at the Cross. " I guess you never read John chapter 1. That states that Jesus and his word (the Bible) are one. How can one be moving toward himself?
The only sense in which one could say the Bible was nailed on the cross with Jesus, is that he and his word are one.

"The Latin, of course, was the seed of English", the English language is not a Latin derivative. English is a West Germanic language that originated from Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain in the mid 5th to 7th centuries AD by Anglo-Saxon migrants that displaced the Celts.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Wow the OP is so bad I don't even know where to start.
I guess the opening line, " From above God's name"? So this guy thinks his teaching is above God. That's red flag #1.

The brother doing the teaching does not believe that his teaching is above God's name, but he certainly does understand that the word of God has been elevated and magnified above all God's Name:

Psalm 138:2 KJV I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Then, what does "Concealed From Christians for the Glory of God, The 1611 KJV" supposed to mean?

Listen and watch some of the videos in the episode and see for yourself.

"the Bible and Jesus were always moving closer to this center point and to each other, until they would meet in person at the Cross. " I guess you never read John chapter 1. That states that Jesus and his word (the Bible) are one. How can one be moving toward himself?

Jesus and the Bible are indeed One. And yet they are also Distinct from Each other. Just like Jesus and the Father are One, and yet they are distinct from each other. And like Jesus and the Holy Ghost are One, and yet they also are distinct from each other.

The only sense in which one could say the Bible was nailed on the cross with Jesus, is that he and his word are one.

That is one way how both of them were nailed to the cross.

Ephesians 2:14-16 KJV
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

And yet, the word of God which had been penned by Pilate on the placard which had been nailed above the head of Jesus, the superscription, was also crucified:

Colossians 2:14-15 KJV
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

"The Latin, of course, was the seed of English", the English language is not a Latin derivative. English is a West Germanic language that originated from Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain in the mid 5th to 7th centuries AD by Anglo-Saxon migrants that displaced the Celts.

Much of English is said to have come from the Latin:

"English (and most other Western-European languages) adopted many words from Latin and Greek throughout history, because especially Latin was the Lingua Franca all through Antiquity, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and later.
However, English has many more words borrowed from Latin than have other Germanic languages, which it owes to the conquest of England by the Normans in the year 1066. The Normans spoke Norman French, which was still much closer to Latin than modern French, especially in spelling. From then on, French was used as the language of administration for a while, and much of this was incorporated into English even as the influence of Norman culture in England waned. English, or Germanic languages, interacted in various ways (invasion, trade, etc.) with Latin languages throughout history. English is a Germanic language, with a grammar and a core vocabulary inherited from Proto-Germanic. However, a significant portion of the English vocabulary comes from Romance and Latinate sources. A portion of these borrowings come directly from Latin, or through one of the Romance languages, particularly Anglo-Norman and French, but some also from Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish; or from other languages (such as Gothic, Frankish or Greek) into Latin and then into English."