Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Dan_473]

So what is the definition of catholic

816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."

Right. And remember that in the Catholic view, everyone who has been baptized in the name of the trinity is a member of the Catholic Church, they are a member of the body of Christ.

Then, from a Catholic point of view, how do you talk about Baptists? You can call them Catholics, which they are, but that becomes confusing.

You could say it's, "those Catholics who on Sunday morning usually walk inside a building that has Baptist on the front."

But that's kind of a lot of words, isn't it?

 

[Dan_473]

Believe the teaching of Jesus as Holy Spirit guide us

Amen!
And then by that definition, Catholics are Christians, members of the body of Christ!

 

[Dan_473]

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."


Ccc841 not say if that Muslim not know catholic.

Do you think those documents are saying that all Muslims are saved?

 

[Jackson123]

Right. And remember that in the Catholic view, everyone who has been baptized in the name of the trinity is a member of the Catholic Church, they are a member of the body of Christ.

Then, from a Catholic point of view, how do you talk about Baptists? You can call them Catholics, which they are, but that becomes confusing.

You could say it's, "those Catholics who on Sunday morning usually walk inside a building that has Baptist on the front."

But that's kind of a lot of words, isn't it?

So, you don't need to agree that pope is peter successor, Eucharist and all kind of ifficial RCC sacrament to be catholic?

Do you believe Christ only establish one church that is the church under Peter successor?

 

[Dan_473]

It imply that catholic believe Muslim adore abraham God. I believe it deliberately misleading.

Of course you're welcome to believe that.

I mean this gently, but I think the real issue is that you are a non-native English speaker who is attempting to read a document written in a level of English that many native English speakers have difficulty understanding.

 

[Jackson123]

Amen!
And then by that definition, Catholics are Christians, members of the body of Christ!

I don't believe catholic doctrine is guide by Holy Spirit.

Catholic pray to Mary. Surrender to Mary, etc and I don't believe Holy Spirit direct people to do that.

 

[Jackson123]

Do you think those documents are saying that all Muslims are saved?

Devote Muslim regardless ever hear about catholic or not.

Do you believe all profess Christian save?

 

[Jackson123]

Of course you're welcome to believe that.

I mean this gently, but I think the real issue is that you are a non-native English speaker who is attempting to read a document written in a level of English that many native English speakers have difficulty understanding.

Than tell me what part on my point was wrong. Let have honest talk

 

[Jackson123]

Of course you're welcome to believe that.

I mean this gently, but I think the real issue is that you are a non-native English speaker who is attempting to read a document written in a level of English that many native English speakers have difficulty understanding.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

I think you interprate this paragraph

Muslim that never hear catholic in the plan of salvation.

And I will say that interpretation is not honest, where the word never hear about catholic in that paragraph?

Native or not it doesn't make any different it mean what it say

 

[Jackson123]

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

What is the reason Muslim in the plan of salvation?

1. Profess to hold the faith of Abraham

2. Together with us (catholic) adore the one merciful God.

Nothing in this paragraph say :if they don't know catholic

 

[Dan_473]

My brother, I read about catholic and I don't believe her doctrine is biblical

I think that about a lot of people, Catholics and Protestants!

 

[Dan_473]

My brother, I read about catholic and I don't believe her doctrine is biblical
Her doctrine design to direct people to believe RCC is a savior

Christ is savior

RCC is the body of Christ

Therefore RCC is a savior

This is coup d'etat

Jesus is a God

I am the body of God

So Jackson 123 is a God

Do you believe I am God brother?
if so, please worship me, send me you offering

You may wish to keep in mind, though, that we are partakers of the divine nature.
2 Peter 1: 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.

 

[Dan_473]

So, you don't need to agree that pope is peter successor, Eucharist and all kind of ifficial RCC sacrament to be catholic?

That's correct, as I understand it.

Do you believe Christ only establish one church that is the church under Peter successor?

I don't know. At this point, I don't think it's something I have to know.

 

[Jackson123]

You may wish to keep in mind, though, that we are partakers of the divine nature.
2 Peter 1: 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.

Is that verse mean we are God?

 

[Dan_473]

I don't believe catholic doctrine is guide by Holy Spirit.

Catholic pray to Mary. Surrender to Mary, etc and I don't believe Holy Spirit direct people to do that.

Does your lack of belief that Catholic teachings are guided by the holy spirit mean that Catholics are therefore not Christians?

 

[Dan_473]

Devote Muslim regardless ever hear about catholic or not.

Do you believe all profess Christian save?

I don't think Catholics are saying that devout Muslims who have heard all about Jesus and the Catholic Church and refuse to believe are saved. Do you think that's what Catholics are saying?


No, I don't believe all professing Christians are saved.

 

[Jackson123]

That's correct, as I understand it.




I don't know. At this point, I don't think it's something I have to know.

816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."
Have

Help me to understand the first sentence

"The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care"

What is sole mean

A lot or the only?

 

[Jackson123]

Does your lack of belief that Catholic teachings are guided by the holy spirit mean that Catholics are therefore not Christians?

Does your lack of belief that Catholic teachings are guided by the holy spirit mean that Catholics are therefore not Christians?

The deviation is too wide.

 

[Jackson123]

I don't think Catholics are saying that devout Muslims who have heard all about Jesus and the Catholic Church and refuse to believe are saved. Do you think that's what Catholics are saying?


No, I don't believe all professing Christians are saved.

Read ccc 841

It say Muslim in the plan of salvation

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

 

[Jackson123]

That's correct, as I understand it.

Can you show me official doctrine that support you point?