This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

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TheIndianGirl said:
I agree HCQ appears to be very effective. However a lot of places are not allowed to use it except in extreme severe cases, and they are going rogue. For example, governors of NY and VA do not like this medicine so this is not being used widely in these states at least. The only way to use this drug on a wide basis is if the NIH says so, but first they have to go through the normal process and to a study, etc.

So even if we want HCQ, we won't get it.
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as i understand it ,it is being prescribed by doctors now.
It also works as a preventative,but can we get it?
probably not.
 
gb9 said:
the nation of India. one of the highest population densities on the planet.
the virus, if it is contagious as the media says, it should be tearing through the population like a hot knife through butter.

but, it is not.
why?
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Look in some month. India made a quick shutdown, when it came through tourists to india. In germany we dont have a high Rate, because of shutdown and distance. You can see it increase in Afrika from day to day. And you can sie f.e. that sweden which was not shutdown have an letalyrate of nearly 10%.
 
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wolfwint said:
Look in some month. India made a quick shutdown, when it came through tourists to india. In germany we dont have a high Rate, because of shutdown and distance. You can see it increase in Afrika from day to day. And you can sie f.e. that sweden which was not shutdown have an letalyrate of nearly 10%.
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Sweden has made a big mistake sadly.
 
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gb9 said:
the nation of India. one of the highest population densities on the planet.
the virus, if it is contagious as the media says, it should be tearing through the population like a hot knife through butter.

but, it is not.
why?
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It wasn't the second epicenter Europe was... they knew it was coming and went into complete lock down.
 
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Absolutely said:
HUH?
hydroxychloroquine is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE
EXTREMELY
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TheIndianGirl said:
I agree HCQ appears to be very effective. However a lot of places are not allowed to use it except in extreme severe cases, and they are going rogue. For example, governors of NY and VA do not like this medicine so this is not being used widely in these states at least. The only way to use this drug on a wide basis is if the NIH says so, but first they have to go through the normal process and to a study, etc.

So even if we want HCQ, we won't get it.
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The issue is with the side effects of the medicine. I causes a high incidence of heart problems. Doctors have reservations about giving a medicine to cure a disease and the cure killing their patients in the process.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Angela53510 said:
My theory is that regardless of what the US gov't is doing or not, or trying to do, that this pandemic is going to kill a lot of people. If people don't continue to self isolate, we will get a second wave, like the Spanish Influenza in 1918-19.

Read about the Spanish Influenza before you make up your minds. The big issue with that terrible flu that killed millions, was the gov't lied to them. They told everyone to wear a mask and continue as normal. Soldiers in army camps were hit particularly badly. More people died of the Spanish Influenza than were killed in WWI. Many of the soldiers who fought in WWI survived the war and died of the flu. There weren't enough people to work in the docks or the trains. The country ground to a stand still. Hundreds of thousands of people died of starvation, because no one bothered to feed them!

The thing about COVID-19, is it is asymptomatic and takes days to know you have it, meanwhile you could have shed the virus on literally hundreds of people. Plus, there is no herd immunity at all, so anyone can get it! Some people won't be bad, yes! But it will continue to make the rounds killing people, unfortunately. Especially if everyone rushes back to work, long before the pandemic is over!
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Thats why the goal is it to hold the infection down, so that the medicine system will not collaps. The side effect is an economic desaster which is for some countrys much more worse then the pandemie itself.
 
EleventhHour said:
Sweden has made a big mistake sadly.
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that would be a false statement.

Sweden has less cases of the virus than my state, ( ga), far less cases per million ( 1369) than the u.s. ( 2146).

with little in the way of lockdowns.

maybe one day ya'll will see this is overhyped, overcooked numbers media machine.

I say again- India- where is the thousands of deaths per day as the " extremely highly contagious" monster tears through the slums over there???
 
1ofthem said:
Now protest are going on across many states in US to lighten the restrictions in place. The Gov. of KY always gives a 5 pm debriefing daily of the coronavirus situation. Yesterday there were protests going on outside the state capitol and they could be heard loud and clear while the Gov. was giving his daily debriefing. Protesters were yelling things such as "we want to work" .... Not sure how this is going to go now. Guess, all we can do is just wait and see how it's going to go. I

I'm not even sure which side to take in this situation. Seems like a darned if you do darned if you don't situation going on now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/us/coronavirus-rules-protests.html
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It is 100% power of the media.
Notice nothing is ever said of Cuomo holding back hydroxychloroquine.
Now....how many died needlessly?
He gets a pass.

If a Republican opens his state and pple die....get out the tar and feathers.
Power of media propaganda,and even this forum is about 80 % panicked and buying it hook line and sinker.
Fear works.
Works real,real good
 
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gb9 said:
that would be a false statement.

Sweden has less cases of the virus than my state, ( ga), far less cases per million ( 1369) than the u.s. ( 2146).

with little in the way of lockdowns.

maybe one day ya'll will see this is overhyped, overcooked numbers media machine.

I say again- India- where is the thousands of deaths per day as the " extremely highly contagious" monster tears through the slums over there???
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How dare you think outside the box.
We are all gonna die...we are doomed!!!!
Facepalm
But seriously ,They are major manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine.

Any area where malaria and lupus are widespread are doing great.

Btw....they are already on hydroxychloroquine.

No brainer
 
EleventhHour said:
I thought so:) ...now I am not the expert in this field....but there is one in the family in Montreal analysing on the data.
So far has been spot on...mitigation and containment were absolutely necessary.
Herd immunity not a good goal in the absence of a strong health care system.
South Korea and Taiwan very prepared .....economic loss far less than what what is happening here.
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Translation;
If there is 100 infected in the usa we still need total shutdown,fear,and pple padlocked into there homes.

Insane
Totally insane.
 
EleventhHour said:
I love stuff like this.......... the best part is the comment section they always provide a good counter balance

1) Terry Chambers - Except this is not a case of mathematical calculations, or haven't you noticed? Math only produces answers on the basis of the figures fed into the equation. This character's theories are based solely on guesswork, nothing else.


2) Several other commentators have pointed out the mistakes, but I will try to expound on them.

First, it was NEVER about the number of days of an outbreak, but how fast and far the contagion spreads and how many die during it. Social distancing w/ closures of public gatherings, businesses, etc. absolutely have been shown to make a difference as was seen during the 1918-20 flu outbreak. It too had waves of about 70 days, several of them, with the second, the one in the fall of 1918 through the winter, being the deadliest.

A mathematician should know how a classic differential equation models (describes / predicts) how an outbreak proceeds, and how one of the terms in the equation is influenced by social distancing / business / school closures. This mathematician wrongly used post hoc analysis using statistics w/o reference to the differential equation model and drew a risible conclusion.


3)
The data and statistics prove otherwise that this virus can not be contained in 70 days as...

Singapore did a u turn in their liberal policy by bringing in new stricter lock downs due to exponential growth... hence artificial methods and human intervention was needed ..

China 🇨🇳 has clearly passed the 70 day mark and after close to 90 days they have a resurgence of close to 200 cases in a different province!

Herd immunization sounds great theoretically and is yet to be proven as close to over 100 of patients discharged from hospitals are returning with the resurgence of this disease.. hence it is too early in the day to theories on the behavior of this deadly virus 🦠

Finally there could also be a scenario of not being able to find a 💯 effective antidote come a vaccine ie similar to HIV where the world would have to live with this phenomenon, the difference being that it is more infectious and may become seasonal like influenza although with a 10 times higher fatality..

I feel that no individual or scientist is equipped to theories on the behavior of this virus at this point of time as A . It’s too early in the day plus we are yet to find a vaccine and lack adequate information on its characteristics and behavior... due to the resurgence of the disease plus patients falling sick again.



https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-i...ts-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

My comment ... yup .....a mathematician should know classical differential equations and exponential growth .. key epidemiological concepts.
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You are definately a plant.
You are here to oppose EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT MSM PROPAGANDA.
YOU NEVER BRING A LINK BECAUSE YOU DO NOT VENTURE OUTSIDE MSM.
 
Absolutely said:
Translation;
If there is 100 infected in the usa we still need total shutdown,fear,and pple padlocked into there homes.

Insane
Totally insane.
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What are you even talking about?
I can see one thing though.....

You as a Christian support a policy of eugenics ... government does nothing and the fittest survive.
 
mailmandan said:
Heard two conflicting stories yesterday on how many new coronavirus cases for Missouri were reported on Friday. :rolleyes:

http://kmbc.com/article/johns-hopki...missouri-up-by-more-than-400/32187984?src=app
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Well death in the midst of a pandemic is not accurate because of the stress on the system and differing views on how to designate the death.

Like in China and Italy so many people died outside of the hospital makes it difficult to be accurate.
China recently added to the death rate because of this fact.
 
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mailmandan said:
Heard two conflicting stories yesterday on how many new coronavirus cases for Missouri were reported on Friday. :rolleyes:

http://kmbc.com/article/johns-hopki...missouri-up-by-more-than-400/32187984?src=app
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That is because the propaganda machine is pumping out one goal.

THE GOAL IS VACCINE.

The magic vaccine is THE ANSWER.
We are headed there.
Mandatory vaccination.

So.....in order to achieve that THE NUMBERS WILL LEAD TO FEAR.
FEAR LEADS TO IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR.

YOU MUST THINK INSIDE THE BOX.

MANDATORY VACCINE.
THAT IS THE TARGET

The death rate is a huge,huge disappointment.
We needed NY style numbers.
But through added propaganda maybe, just maybe we can get our precious nothing burger vaccine.

WE WILL BE SAFE!!!!!!
facepalm
 
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notuptome said:
The issue is with the side effects of the medicine. I causes a high incidence of heart problems. Doctors have reservations about giving a medicine to cure a disease and the cure killing their patients in the process.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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So does aspirin, benedyl,nyquel,statins,nsads,tylenol, and every single thing out there.
Water can even kill you.

You have been duped by fake news big time
 
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