What if Daniel did have a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks?
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It ignores Christianity. It turns Jesus into Antichrist and picks up far in the future with Judaism.
Did you see me mention any princes in my post? If you want to bring in that then quote the verses and give your take on them instead of building straw man arguments on things I never brought up.
70 weeks are determined on thy city. This is what Daniel stated, you ignore that and impose Stephen into Daniel prophecy. This is a sign of eisegesis.
Please note that "everlasting righteousness" was not brought in in 70AD, nor did 70AD "make an end of sins".
The entire 70th week is future, perhaps to start soon.
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If you stop turning Jesus into the antichrist. And realize Jesus is the topic of the entire segment. And count back from there, Daniel pans out as he said it would. Why would the Magi look for Jesus the eternal Messiah if the 70th week pertained to Antichrist thousands of years in the future?
Christ brought in everlasting everlasting righteousness at the cross, this is part of the 70 weeks, He also anointed the most Holy:
(Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us)
"eternal redemption" - everlasting righteousness.
Yes, he made and "end of sins", you are thinking that there would be no more sin on earth, this is a misunderstanding and would place the "end of sins" thousands of years past the destruction of the city ("determined upon") and the anointing of the most holy.
The "ending of sin" is a covenant position, where in the past there was a covenant remembering of sins, in Christ there is no longer a "remembering":
(Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.)
(Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.)
Listen up, quit making false accusations about things I've never stated and deal with the text.
Jesus didn't make an end of sins on the cross? He did not bring in eternal righteousness on the cross? Or cause the animal sacrifices to end with the sacrifice of himself?
This is not a false accusation. Jesus confirmed the Covenant. He didn't make a new one. And he put an end to the animal sacrifices with the sacrifice of himself.
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Dan 9:
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the [i]wall,
Even in troublesome times.
This was fulfilled when Jesus triumphantly entered Jerusalem. Just like the prophet said, Riding on a donkey which ended the 69th week of Daniel
Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;
fulfilled less than 7 days later. when Jesus was tried, Convicted and hung on a cross (cut of from his people. not for himself. but for all mankind)
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Fulfilled in 70 AD, almost 4 decades later. When the armys of Titus raised the city and destroyed the temple. Leaving not one stone unturned as Jesus prophesied in Matt 24.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Still applicable today, As jesus said in Matt 24, there will be wars and rumors of wars. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom but the end is not yet. the fact is Jerusalem and the temple Daniel prayed for still lies desolate. And will be until a time God has determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
A future event, And the beginning of the 70th week. Where a future prince will make some sort of covenant with many (supposedly many nations, one of which happens to be Israel)
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
again, Spoken of By Jesus, Who tells the people and us that in the middle of this one week covenant made with many, The prince will enter the Holy of Holy's, and put an end to offering and sacrifice, by placing an idol of some type into it. rendering the holy place ceremonially unclean and put an end to offering. As Jesus said, When you see this (it will be seen by many, not just those in the temple itself. but many, Most likely this is an event that will be broadcast on tv, for all to see.
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
The desolate. The people to whom the wrath of God will be poured out. for a time which will be determined. Jesus called it the great tribulation. Which will be so severe. If he did not return himself to put an end to it. No flesh would survive, But for the sake of the elect. he will come.
At this time, the 70 weeks are fulfilled. Israel will have repented. And received the true messiah as her savior (first and formost for her sins)
Its all here. No matter what a church in the 400's BC said.
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the [i]wall,
Even in troublesome times.
This was fulfilled when Jesus triumphantly entered Jerusalem. Just like the prophet said, Riding on a donkey which ended the 69th week of Daniel
Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;
fulfilled less than 7 days later. when Jesus was tried, Convicted and hung on a cross (cut of from his people. not for himself. but for all mankind)
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Fulfilled in 70 AD, almost 4 decades later. When the armys of Titus raised the city and destroyed the temple. Leaving not one stone unturned as Jesus prophesied in Matt 24.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Still applicable today, As jesus said in Matt 24, there will be wars and rumors of wars. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom but the end is not yet. the fact is Jerusalem and the temple Daniel prayed for still lies desolate. And will be until a time God has determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
A future event, And the beginning of the 70th week. Where a future prince will make some sort of covenant with many (supposedly many nations, one of which happens to be Israel)
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
again, Spoken of By Jesus, Who tells the people and us that in the middle of this one week covenant made with many, The prince will enter the Holy of Holy's, and put an end to offering and sacrifice, by placing an idol of some type into it. rendering the holy place ceremonially unclean and put an end to offering. As Jesus said, When you see this (it will be seen by many, not just those in the temple itself. but many, Most likely this is an event that will be broadcast on tv, for all to see.
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
The desolate. The people to whom the wrath of God will be poured out. for a time which will be determined. Jesus called it the great tribulation. Which will be so severe. If he did not return himself to put an end to it. No flesh would survive, But for the sake of the elect. he will come.
At this time, the 70 weeks are fulfilled. Israel will have repented. And received the true messiah as her savior (first and formost for her sins)
Its all here. No matter what a church in the 400's BC said.
Did I say he didn't - you are making stuff up, quit responding to things running around in your imagination.
Daniel 9:25
"From the command to rebuild Jerusalem until anointed prince, is 7 'sevens' (49 years)" and 62 'sevens' (434 years)..."
So that means a total of 69 'sevens' (483 years) would pass until the Messiah, leaving Him to appear and start His ministry in the 70th 'seven'.
The prophecy is broken into 2 time-intervals because Ezra is who initiated the restoration of Jerusalem after the command from Artaxerxes in 457 BCE (see Nehemia 2:8-17; 4:17); then 7 'sevens' (49 years). In the 62 'sevens' the restoration continued after Ezra.
Daniel 9:26
"And after 62 'sevens' (434 years) the Anointed Prince will be cut off'
So that means after 62 'sevens' - which is after the 7 'sevens' for a total of 69 'sevens' (i.e. in the 70th 'seven') - the Messiah would be crucified. He, the Messiah, confirms the everlasting covenant with many during the last remaining 'seven', but for abominations, he pronounces desolation on Jerusalem.
Matthew 23:38
Behold your house is left unto you desolate.
...And then the people of "the prince who was to come" (Rome) would destroy Jerusalem like a flood (i.e. 70AD destruction).
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70 'sevens' (490) was given to the people and the holy city to stop sinning (as well as accomplish all the other tasks). Daniel studied Jeremiah and understood that the time of exile would only be 70 years so he prayed to understand why they were still in exile and hadn't left yet.
Matthew 18:21
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven (490 times)
the 70 'sevens' was a probation period; a time of forgiveness until the Almighty's hedge would be removed.
The messiah appeared in 27CE...confirmed the covenant in the midst of that last 7 years...and then Steven was stoned in 34AD, the first martyr of the kingdom after Christ. Before the stoning, salvation was offered to both Jew and gentile. But after Steven's stoning, the gospel (and salvation) went to the gentiles and Jerusalem & Jews were no longer protected. Wars then followed between Jews and Rome until 70AD destruction.
457 BC to 27CE = 483 years (start of Messiah's ministry)
27CE to 34CE = 7 years (stoning of Steven)
483 + 7 = 490 years complete
You are the one making false accusations of accusing posters of claiming "Jesus is the antichrist", Judaism and Pharisee doctrine.
Ever read where its is written about bearing false witness.