No more Pig Meat!

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tourist

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They just shut down a Sioux Falls pork plant with over 640 cases of the virus. God is making this plan and clear what is and what is not approved. So people are without excuse. My wife brought home a ham sandwich from work and I told her I was not going to eat it throw it away. My son is 22 though so he can make up his own mind what he wants to do. If he wants to eat it or not.
Your son can make up his mind whether or not to eat the ham sandwich that was thrown away? I'd probably take a pass on that sandwich.
 

tourist

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Beef and lamb costs a lot more than pork. You mentioned getting food from Amish. But how many people have access to that, or can afford pastured, organic beef and lamb? Just because you can, doesn't mean everyone can.
Regular beef is pumped with hormones. Same goes for poultry. Actually, hormone wise, pig meat is probably cleaner than other meats, (at least where I'm from it is so, won't claim for the USA).
My household cannot afford lamb, and can only afford minced beef here and there. Not to even talk about clean, organic meats.
Get real.
Next time I go to Costco I'm gonna score a large package of pork chops. Those clean organic meats sound pricey. Had some lamb chops a couple years ago when we were struggling financially. Got them from a local food bank.
 

tourist

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People have a problem with this because it's not commanded in the Bible to Gentile believers, and personal convictions shouldn't be presented as God's commandment. It's not like anyone is against you, or your conviction specifically.
Apostle Paul was very careful not to do this, emphasizing if something was his personal judgments and differing them from God's words.
I believe that if this practice was of consequence to uphold, it would have been commanded to us in the New Testament, just like meat sacrificed to idols and blood was advised multiple times to abstain from.
If someone is Jewish, I would not interfere with their convictions either. Messianic Jews might be led to observe certain things that us Gentile believers don't have laid upon us, or not, I do not know... that's between them and God to figure out... but as for the Gentiles:

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
Paul, also said this about food offered to idols:

1 Cor 10:27-30
If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

From my understanding Paul is saying that you should not offend someone who believes that eating food sacrificed to idols thus tempting him to sin, for his sake and not yours. Food sacrificed to idols is not forbidden for those Christians who don't believe in idols but do believe in God.

In regards for eating Paul elaborates:

Romans 14:2
One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
 
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1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

It is spiritual now and all meat is good if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified by the word of God, and prayer.

But before they started processing the food, and steroids, and whatever else, it was just the plain animal and that was it, so it would not pose a health risk as today.

We can eat whatever meat we want, and God does allow for eating meat that was unclean, but if somebody prays over their meat and it is not that good does God take away the harm of it on our body.

For if not then it is still an animal we should not eat.

That is the issue does God cleanse the meat and so it causes no harm, or does not cleanse it for a saint, and if not then it is bad for us.

All meat can be eaten, and pork was good back then, but not now the way they deal with meat today.

The unclean meats are alright to eat for they are sanctified for it is spiritual now, but years ago the pork was not processed like now, so does God cleanse the meat so it does no harm to the person.

All meat can be eaten, but we should use discretion if we know the meat is bad and stay away from it, for we cannot eat the meat we know is bad and then say God will protect me, for if it is bad do not eat it.

It would seem the same as when the devil told Jesus to jump off the mountain and God's angels would catch Him, but Jesus said do not tempt the Lord thy God.

Which means do not put yourself in a dangerous position on purpose and then say God save me, so to know the meat is not good for you should we eat it and then say God do not let it harm my body.

For when that scripture was given they did not have the practices when dealing with meat as they do now, but if was straight up just the food not the crap they add to it, or do to it today.

So we would have to use discretion and if we raised our own pigs no problem, or any animal no problem, for they are fed good, and do not have steroids, or processed like they do it, and sanitary.

But we can eat pork.

So does that mean the meat was actually good all along in the Old Testament, but God still had a distinction between the animals, or that is was bad to eat and in the New Testament God cleanses it.

Obviously if we can eat pork then either it was good all along, or God cleanses it.

But God gave Peter a vision of different kinds of meat, and said eat Peter, and Peter said he will not eat an unclean animal, and God said what I have cleansed call that not unclean, which is reference to the Gentiles being clean now, but it seems like it would have something to do with the animals too.
 

Billyd

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Nothing better than roast pig for our Independence Day celebration.
 

SoulWeaver

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1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

It is spiritual now and all meat is good if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified by the word of God, and prayer.

But before they started processing the food, and steroids, and whatever else, it was just the plain animal and that was it, so it would not pose a health risk as today.

We can eat whatever meat we want, and God does allow for eating meat that was unclean, but if somebody prays over their meat and it is not that good does God take away the harm of it on our body.

For if not then it is still an animal we should not eat.

That is the issue does God cleanse the meat and so it causes no harm, or does not cleanse it for a saint, and if not then it is bad for us.

All meat can be eaten, and pork was good back then, but not now the way they deal with meat today.

The unclean meats are alright to eat for they are sanctified for it is spiritual now, but years ago the pork was not processed like now, so does God cleanse the meat so it does no harm to the person.

All meat can be eaten, but we should use discretion if we know the meat is bad and stay away from it, for we cannot eat the meat we know is bad and then say God will protect me, for if it is bad do not eat it.

It would seem the same as when the devil told Jesus to jump off the mountain and God's angels would catch Him, but Jesus said do not tempt the Lord thy God.

Which means do not put yourself in a dangerous position on purpose and then say God save me, so to know the meat is not good for you should we eat it and then say God do not let it harm my body.

For when that scripture was given they did not have the practices when dealing with meat as they do now, but if was straight up just the food not the crap they add to it, or do to it today.

So we would have to use discretion and if we raised our own pigs no problem, or any animal no problem, for they are fed good, and do not have steroids, or processed like they do it, and sanitary.

But we can eat pork.

So does that mean the meat was actually good all along in the Old Testament, but God still had a distinction between the animals, or that is was bad to eat and in the New Testament God cleanses it.

Obviously if we can eat pork then either it was good all along, or God cleanses it.

But God gave Peter a vision of different kinds of meat, and said eat Peter, and Peter said he will not eat an unclean animal, and God said what I have cleansed call that not unclean, which is reference to the Gentiles being clean now, but it seems like it would have something to do with the animals too.
I agree, but the problem is nowadays they put hormones into every animal. Beef and poultry are no better, and pastured organic meats are expensive. Chicken has been anecdotally known to give boys gynaecomastia (because of estrogen). This is all good and sound what you say, but not always applicable (except that of course no one should be eating meat that has gone bad). If we want hormone free meat one has to buy organic. The cost of organic fruit and vegetables is also through the roof. If we had more means I'd be the first to spend money on that but right now it is what it is.
 

17Bees

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I agree, but the problem is nowadays they put hormones into every animal. Beef and poultry are no better, and pastured organic meats are expensive. Chicken has been anecdotally known to give boys gynaecomastia (because of estrogen). This is all good and sound what you say, but not always applicable (except that of course no one should be eating meat that has gone bad). If we want hormone free meat one has to buy organic. The cost of organic fruit and vegetables is also through the roof. If we had more means I'd be the first to spend money on that but right now it is what it is.
Huh? What country are you from?
 

SoulWeaver

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Quoting from this USDA link:
Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry.
I thought I'd post some additional information, and about the USA specifically, since people don't seem to believe me. The same that I quoted goes for bison and seafood (no hormones allowed). Hormones are allowed though for beef and lamb... so if one wants healthy beef and lamb meat, they must buy organic (even better if they can afford pastured). One of the first thing doc will forbid to estrogen sensitive cancer patient is cow milk and red meat, because of hormones.

This leaves of what isn't labeled organic, bison, seafood, pork and poultry as meats without added hormones, and the cost of bison is relatively hefty.

Now, for poultry, chicken manure is added back into the feed. People may say things about "pigs eating everything", but at least they don't eat their own poop, no? Chicken manure is high in copper. Farmers know that if they over-fertilize with chicken manure, they can render than land infertile because of excess copper. Copper metabolism and estrogen metabolism are tightly connected, so I suspect this is why there is a lot of talk and has been for a while, about chicken being estrogenic...
https://foodforbreastcancer.com/new...-be-contributing-to-hormone-dependent-cancers

So things ironically boil down to pork being a relatively clean meat in comparison (when not organic). The only concern with pig is parasites being more common than in other animals, which is resolved simply by not eating undercooked pork.

Btw, a little piece of trivia, pig manure is used in fish feed. I only eat wild caught small fish like anchovies and sardines. The smaller the fish, the less mercury, too. I do not recommend commercially raised fish at all, they even give them food coloring in feed, to get a desirable color (for salmon).

I think people simply need to do more research before getting combative...
Now, if someone can afford organic meats, I applaud them, they are doing a great thing for their health.
 

17Bees

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Huh, what does that matter.. obviously true where she lives.
I was just curious. I didn't know of any country that allowed growth hormone in chicken or pork. So I asked! But I see soulweaver acknowledged that in the last post.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Three doses of synthetic steroids, antibiotics & growth hormones are pumped into each chicken each day for 30 days, only to fatten them. Thereafter, the birds must be sold between the 30 to 40 day period failing which, the birds die on their own having been bombarded by the above poisonous concoction.
When these chicken are eaten, the consequences to consumers are not only alarming but disastrous.
Chicken Farm Owners, their families & Workers never ever consume these birds as they are fully aware of it.
In plain & simple words these birds are cancerous.
All Oncologists are aware of the situation.
Did you know, one in every four human beings has cancer. To confirm check with yours .


 

Tinkerbell725

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I agree, but the problem is nowadays they put hormones into every animal. Beef and poultry are no better, and pastured organic meats are expensive. Chicken has been anecdotally known to give boys gynaecomastia (because of estrogen). This is all good and sound what you say, but not always applicable (except that of course no one should be eating meat that has gone bad). If we want hormone free meat one has to buy organic. The cost of organic fruit and vegetables is also through the roof. If we had more means I'd be the first to spend money on that but right now it is what it is.

There might another effect of too much estrogen in men aside from gynaecomastia. Isn't it strange how the number of gay men increase dramatically these days?
 

17Bees

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I'm pretty sure this covid thing has made everybody bat crazy.
 

SoulWeaver

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I'm pretty sure this covid thing has made everybody bat crazy.
Well, would you care to finally share your opinion and contribute to the discussion, besides occasional little snarky remark?
 
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Your son can make up his mind whether or not to eat the ham sandwich that was thrown away? I'd probably take a pass on that sandwich.
He has worked in food service in the hospital and nursing home. He brought home left over food all the time from work. They almost always make more food then what they are going to need.
 
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But how many people have access to that, or can afford pastured, organic beef and lamb? Just because you can, doesn't mean everyone can.
Organic beef cost about $5 a pound here at walmart. I suppose you can get non organic for $4 per pound. I am starting to eat more non meat products made out of soy and wheat.
 

tourist

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He has worked in food service in the hospital and nursing home. He brought home left over food all the time from work. They almost always make more food then what they are going to need.
Sounds like a good responsible son to me.
 
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Sounds like a good responsible son to me.
I am more theory and concept and he is more formula. Today he asked me about "inverse fourier transform". I had never heard if it before but it has to do with frequency and time. He studied music and this is what music is all about. So it started to make sense to him. I tend to do more quantum physics and he tends to do more classic physics.
 

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