This is pretty funny considering your dogma...I will respond shortly first I have to stop laughing. 
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Amazing.
Amen to that.
A Christian does not plan ahead to remain loyal to God when the inevitability of temptation comes?
"...lay not up provision for the flesh."
"Above all else, guard your heart..."
"Hear, my son, and be wise, and direct your heart in the way."
This statement makes zero sense to me. Can you please restate it another way?
Except that part about "without obligation", I agree with that statement. God most certainly demands that we stop doing the things that made necessary the death of His dear Son to begin with, because continuing to do so crucifies Him afresh. "Go and sin no more."
Here's what good works aren't: sinful behavior that God decides to overlook. The idea that "Salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of the sin that remains in me" is a prelude to evil works...which leads to spiritual death, according to Romans 6:16 KJV.
A Christian does not plan ahead to remain loyal to God when the inevitability of temptation comes?
"...lay not up provision for the flesh."
"Above all else, guard your heart..."
"Hear, my son, and be wise, and direct your heart in the way."
This statement makes zero sense to me. Can you please restate it another way?
Except that part about "without obligation", I agree with that statement. God most certainly demands that we stop doing the things that made necessary the death of His dear Son to begin with, because continuing to do so crucifies Him afresh. "Go and sin no more."
Here's what good works aren't: sinful behavior that God decides to overlook. The idea that "Salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of the sin that remains in me" is a prelude to evil works...which leads to spiritual death, according to Romans 6:16 KJV.
Paul never said obedience is optional, which is what you're implying. He said we have a choice to as to who we're going to serve: "...whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness." That doesn't sound to me like we have an option to stop doing that which caused the death of our dear Savior.
https://www.google.com/books/editio...tCQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=first, to set fire
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Dude, Your whole bases on what OSAS is is based on a false assumption of what they teach, what they believe, and the truths they hld onto. And of their living faith in Christ.
Your further attacks hurt your case it does not help it.
When you lie about others, and other people see it. They learn you are unreliable and just out to defend your own belief. And what history shows is that people do this for one reason only
Their own personal belief can not stand on its own. Your forced to attack others with lies because otherwise, You will have to discuss your own beliefs. Which are unsustainable in ad of itself.
Your further attacks hurt your case it does not help it.
When you lie about others, and other people see it. They learn you are unreliable and just out to defend your own belief. And what history shows is that people do this for one reason only
Their own personal belief can not stand on its own. Your forced to attack others with lies because otherwise, You will have to discuss your own beliefs. Which are unsustainable in ad of itself.
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Here's what it means to arrive:
"3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands." - 1 John 2:3
As an example, God knew the Galatians, but they did not 'know' him (Galatians 4:9). They were saved but they were immature. They had yet to 'know' God. Had they matured, perhaps they would not have been so vulnerable to the deceits of the Judaizers.
The important goal of Christianity that matters is that we grow up into this mature 'knowing' of God. Osas makes people think they've arrived at that knowing because they know about and accept the doctrine of osas. Nothing could be further from the truth.
"3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands." - 1 John 2:3
As an example, God knew the Galatians, but they did not 'know' him (Galatians 4:9). They were saved but they were immature. They had yet to 'know' God. Had they matured, perhaps they would not have been so vulnerable to the deceits of the Judaizers.
The important goal of Christianity that matters is that we grow up into this mature 'knowing' of God. Osas makes people think they've arrived at that knowing because they know about and accept the doctrine of osas. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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But isn’t the most important thing is that God knows us? How does God know us? Through our obedience? Nope. God knows us through His seal, the Holy Spirit He has placed within us the moment we trusted the gospel. His seal guarantees our future hope.
2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Some of these believers had their faith overthrown by false teachers, and yet Paul reminds us that, nevertheless, the foundation of God standeth sure. God knows these believers whose faith was overthrown because they have His seal, His Holy Spirit. God’s foundation, which is Jesus Christ, stands sure even when we don’t stand sure.
2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Some of these believers had their faith overthrown by false teachers, and yet Paul reminds us that, nevertheless, the foundation of God standeth sure. God knows these believers whose faith was overthrown because they have His seal, His Holy Spirit. God’s foundation, which is Jesus Christ, stands sure even when we don’t stand sure.
Ultimately, of course, but we're talking about the life of the saved person:
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6
"17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God" - Romans 14:17-18
But osas would have you believe that what matters is that you know and accept the doctrine of osas. There's nothing evenly remotely true about that. You can take comfort all day long in what you know but if you don't have........well, we'll let Paul say it:
"2If I...can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." - 1 Corinthians 13:2
But osas makes it's followers think that believing in the doctrine about osas is what it means to really know God and please Him. Not knowing that thinking actually takes away from what really matters in the life of the Christian. It provides a false sense of comfort and assurance by directing attention away from that which actually gives comfort and assurance--how you act--and to that which does not.
That's why we should continue to believe!
We know from the whole counsel of scripture that as long as the deceived believer responds to God's correction they will continue in the surety of Christ. Much depends on how deeply rooted the Word of God is in a believer.
The good and noble soil that allows the Word to be firmly and deeply rooted in it is the soil that perseveres in fruitfulness. While the believers with the shallow, rocky soil in which the Word can not be firmly and deeply rooted "believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." (Luke 8:13).
That doesn't mean, categorically, that all 2nd type of soil believers fall away, or fall away and don't come back. It means that is the kind of soil for which that is likely to happen, i.e. the Galatians. No immature, 2nd type of soil believer has any claim to some kind of osas status. If anybody does it is the mature 4th kind of soil believer.
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6
"17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God" - Romans 14:17-18
But osas would have you believe that what matters is that you know and accept the doctrine of osas. There's nothing evenly remotely true about that. You can take comfort all day long in what you know but if you don't have........well, we'll let Paul say it:
"2If I...can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." - 1 Corinthians 13:2
But osas makes it's followers think that believing in the doctrine about osas is what it means to really know God and please Him. Not knowing that thinking actually takes away from what really matters in the life of the Christian. It provides a false sense of comfort and assurance by directing attention away from that which actually gives comfort and assurance--how you act--and to that which does not.
That's why we should continue to believe!
We know from the whole counsel of scripture that as long as the deceived believer responds to God's correction they will continue in the surety of Christ. Much depends on how deeply rooted the Word of God is in a believer.
The good and noble soil that allows the Word to be firmly and deeply rooted in it is the soil that perseveres in fruitfulness. While the believers with the shallow, rocky soil in which the Word can not be firmly and deeply rooted "believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." (Luke 8:13).
That doesn't mean, categorically, that all 2nd type of soil believers fall away, or fall away and don't come back. It means that is the kind of soil for which that is likely to happen, i.e. the Galatians. No immature, 2nd type of soil believer has any claim to some kind of osas status. If anybody does it is the mature 4th kind of soil believer.
Stick with Paul’s epistles for doctrine to the body of Christ. We labor for we must appear before the judgment seat of Christ to receive the things done in our body whether good or bad. Some believers works will be burned because they lived for self, yet they will be saved. Others will receive a reward for their labor. See 1 Corinthians 3.
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