Jesus as King?

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biker said:
I am not denying that Jesus is not King, Lord, God, Savior, Mediator, etc. I was only pointing out that Stephen, being full of the Holy Spirit, was able to see the very Throne Room of God and Jesus is "Standing on the Father's right hand," not sitting as other Scriptures indicate. I have no idea how you have concluded what you have towards what I believe, but you are so far from the truth it's outright ridiculous!
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the right hand of God mean all authority Jesus was standing was not because HE could not sit down for not having a Throne it was to receive the first Christian who was killed for HIS name sake.
 
CS1 said:
I think this a is a very big stretch. Jesus said " I AM" and the temple guards fell as dead when they came to take Him. Jesus said no man takes my life, I lay it down freely and I have the Power to take it back again. Jesus is God; King of kings and Lord of lords NOW.

Jesus is now Seated high above all. Are you telling me HE is going to be even Higher than HE is right now?

We confess with our mouth Jesus Christ is Lord Roman 10:9 says. That is not statement of future status, that is who Jesus is now.
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Scripture states that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father as prince and Savior. Do you believe this to be true? The kingdoms of this world are not His to rule yet. This is future. Revelation 7.
 
CS1 said:
the right hand of God mean all authority Jesus was standing was not because HE could not sit down for not having a Throne it was to receive the first Christian who was killed for HIS name sake.
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I like that viewpoint.

Just a silly question here.

Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Jesus describe the Throne Room of God. Only "one Throne" is ever mentioned. What do you think Jesus is sitting on if there is only one throne?
 
John146 said:
Scripture states that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father as prince and Savior. Do you believe this to be true? The kingdoms of this world are not His to rule yet. This is future. Revelation 7.
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And it is also stated HE is the King of kings and Lord of Lords now. Jesus holds many titles: savior , Prince of peace, healer,
But when Jesus said " I AM " found in the Gospel of John Jesus was saying HE is God now. If you think calling yourself God means you are not Lord and King I assure you the Pharisees fully understood what HE meant because they took up stones to Kill Him.

WE who are saved confess HIM as Lord now Romans 10:9-10 . Thomas said " My Lord and my God" John 20:28.

These are present terms not future. This is a bunch or human reasoning and frankly it is anti-Christ and not Biblical nor is it correct Exegesis of the word of God to have this mindset.
 
"This 'promise-fulfillment, already-not yet' is a tensed dynamic which characterizes Christianity's eschatological passion." (Dr. Steven Land, The Pentecostal Movement 'Then and Now') p.3.
 
biker said:
I like that viewpoint.

Just a silly question here.

Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Jesus describe the Throne Room of God. Only "one Throne" is ever mentioned. What do you think Jesus is sitting on if there is only one throne?
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Ezekiel and Isaiah saw a throne Jesus spoke of more than one throne. The Book of Revelation describes many different thrones

Throne of David
great White Throne
Acts 2:30 He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,
We are thinking carnally as Jesus needs a Chair to be called a throne? remember God is Spirit he called the heaven HIS throne and the earth His foot stool.
Jesus is seated High above all the word seated means HIS authority is absolute.
 
John146 said:
In my studies, The Bible clearly states that Jesus is not King yet, He is not currently ruling on the throne of David. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for believers, acting as our high priest. His throne is future. Jesus is not currently ruling this earth.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
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MATT. 28:18.
And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, (((((((((((((All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.)))))))))))))
 
oldethennew said:
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MATT. 28:18.
And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, (((((((((((((All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.)))))))))))))
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Yep, but he’s not exercising that power yet. Satan is the god of this world. Satan is the ruler of the darkness of this world.
 
John146 said:
Where in Scripture?
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Daniel says : 2:37 " Thou(YOU) , O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and
glory."


Jesus Himself when asked "Are you the king of the jews by Pilate Matthew 27:11
Jesus said " You says I am".

In John 18:33-37 Jesus said He has a Kingdom but HE was here to testify of the truth"


1Tim 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords

REV 19:16 is the nail in the coffin for the doubt of Jesus being King and lord now:

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
That is on when HE comes not after HE comes.
 
John146 said:
That’s not what Romans 10:9 says. It states to confess the Lord Jesus. This is a personal decision.
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wrong, it says if we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus Christ and Believe in our heart we shall be saved. Not might or could be or at a later time, no it says Saved in the Greek =Sozo.

are we confessing something that is not true?
 
CS1 said:
Daniel says : 2:37 " Thou(YOU) , O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and
glory."


Jesus Himself when asked "Are you the king of the jews by Pilate Matthew 27:11
Jesus said " You says I am".

In John 18:33-37 Jesus said He has a Kingdom but HE was here to testify of the truth"


1Tim 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords

REV 19:16 is the nail in the coffin for the doubt of Jesus being King and lord now:

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
That is on when HE comes not after HE comes.
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Jesus is the future king of this earth. When he is ruling, this world will not be in the mess it’s in today. Satan will not be the god of this world during the reign of Christ. Revelation 11 is future at the Lord’s second coming.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 
John146 said:
Yep, but he’s not exercising that power yet. Satan is the god of this world. Satan is the ruler of the darkness of this world.
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he gave HIS authority to the Church for the spreading of the Gospel. Jesus commissioned the church HE did that as Lord and King not as a prince.
 
CS1 said:
he gave HIS authority to the Church for the spreading of the Gospel. Jesus commissioned the church HE did that as Lord and King not as a prince.
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Spiritually yes, not physically. Right now, Jesus is prince and Savior. He is a king in waiting. He is not King of this earth yet, and to say otherwise, is mocking His power and righteousness to rule.
 
John146 said:
Jesus is the future king of this earth. When he is ruling, this world will not be in the mess it’s in today. Satan will not be the god of this world during the reign of Christ. Revelation 11 is future at the Lord’s second coming.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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Jesus is the King and rightful King now HE has not setup On earth but that is not when HE becomes at King HE is rightfully King now.

Satan can do nothing without the Jesus knowing is read Eph 6:23
Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is who Jesus is Lord = Supreme Authority.
 
John146 said:
Spiritually yes, not physically. Right now, Jesus is prince and Savior. He is a king in waiting. He is not King of this earth yet, and to say otherwise, is mocking His power and righteousness to rule.
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are you kidding me? if you are going to ignore the scripture proof you asked for as to who Jesus is now, we are done.

King of kings and Lord of lords means ALL. The devil will bow, you and I will bow, nations will bow and kings will bow and confess WHO HE is now today and forever more. You want to reduce the Lord Jesus to only a prince you go right ahead but that is not Biblical or right. it is error and false teaching.
 
CS1 said:
are you kidding me? if you are going to ignore the scripture proof you asked for as to who Jesus is now, we are done.

King of kings and Lord of lords means ALL. The devil will bow, you and I will bow, nations will bow and kings will bow and confess WHO HE is now today and forever more. You want to reduce the Lord Jesus to only a prince you go right ahead but that is not Biblical or right. it is error and false teaching.
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Currently, Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. He is making intercession for us as our mediator. This world is in darkness. It will not be so when He finally takes over.

Acts 5
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
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