Noah’s Global Flood: A very significant historical event

[Nehemiah6]

There are many today who vehemently deny that the Flood of Noah’s day was global, universal, worldwide, and devastating. Christians rely on the biblical record (Genesis chapters 7 & 8), since it is God who gave Moses the revelation of the Flood, and what it meant. And Jesus confirmed the factual nature of this revelation. Therefore we can simply ignore the naysayers, and believe the Lord Jesus Christ.

We should also note that in the corrupted Greek translation of the Hebrew Tanakh (the Septuagint or LXX), many changes have been made to the words as found in the Masoretic Text. Also Brenton’s translation is not strictly according to the Greek, but includes several interpretations (some of which are incorrect). The biblical record shows that:

1. The Flood was a judgment against sin, evil, corruption and wickedness throughout the earth. This is clear from Genesis 6. God said that He would absolutely destroy every living creature on the face of the earth, and that is exactly what happened, since everything was beyond redemption. The non-canonical book of Enoch gives us insight into "the angels which kept not their first estate", but produced Nephilim (giants) on the earth through unlawful intercourse with human women.

2. Noah was the only man who was found righteous before God, and he was also a preacher of righteousness. Which means that he warned people about the coming judgment, but no one paid any attention. Rather, they probably scoffed, while carrying on with their sinful ways (as will also be true before the Second Coming of Christ).

3. Ir is God who gave Noah the blueprint for the construction of the Ark, as well as the details about who should be in the Ark, and what preparations should be made to remain in it for one year (including the food supply). God also asked Noah to bring his wife, and his three sons and their wives, into the Ark, for a total of "eight souls".

4. Noah was six hundred years old when he entered into the Ark (Gen 7:11). In fact we are told with precision that it was on the 17th day of the 2nd month of the 600th year of his life that he and his family entered into the Ark. (The LXX gratuitously changed that to the 27th day). According to chronologer James Ussher, the date of Creation was 4004 BC. From the Creation to the Flood, there was a period of 1656 years (Anstey). Therefore the historical date of Noah’s Flood has been computed to be 2348 BC (4004 -1656), but others have postulated other dates. That was about 4,370 years ago.

5. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights after Noah entered into the Ark, but at the same time, huge amounts of subterranean water gushed out from under the surface of the earth, so that in the end the water stood 25 feet above the tops of the mountains (Gen 7:20). (Forty days is significant in Scripture as a period of probation and testing. We see it repeated over and over again).

6. The waters prevailed on the earth for 150 days (5 months) and the Ark rested (on Mount Ararat) at the end of that exact period (Gen 7:24; 8:4).

7. Then the waters receded for another three months (Gen 8:5)

8. After another 40 days, Noah opened the window of the Ark (at the top) and sent out a raven (an unclean bird) to check the conditions outside (Gen 8:6,7). He also sent out a dove (a clean bird) at the same time, but the dove returned to the Ark (Gen 8:8,9). Presumably the raven found plenty of food and did not need to return.

9. After another 7 days Noah again sent out the dove, and this time she returned with an olive leaf in her mouth, signifying that the flood waters had abated significantly (Gen 8:10,11).

10. After another 7 days he sent out the dove, but this time she did not return (Gen 8:12)

11. The Bible says that in the 601st year, in the 1st month, on the 1st day of the month, the surface of the earth was dry (Gen 8:13) but it was on the 27th day of the 2nd month of that year that the ground itself was dry enough to allow Noah and all the occupants of the Ark to exit (Gen 8:14), at which time God commanded them to exit. Thus Noah was within the Ark for EXACTLY 365 days (one year)!

12. God blessed all the creatures which were within the Ark, and commanded that they “breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth” (Gen 8:17).

13. Then Noah built an altar and sacrificed whole burnt offerings of every clean animal and bird (Gen 8:20). Since the time of Abel, this is how those who believed God (and were justified by His grace) also anticipated the coming of the Lamb of God, who would take away the sin of the world (John 1:29) and Himself become a whole burnt offering.

14. Finally God made a promise to never curse the ground again “for man’s sake”, and that the seasons would remain as long as the (present) earth remained (Gen 8L21, 22). The rainbow (which is presently being perverted by sexual perverts) was to be a sign to mankind and God would not use another Flood against humanity. But that did not preclude the future judgment of the earth with fire, in preparation for the New Heavens and the New Earth. God also made a covenant with Noah (the Noahic Covenant) which is significant and which followed his sacrifices.

There are many spiritual lessons which can be learned from the Flood and its aftermath. There are also many other scientific lessons, and for those who have not read The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris, it is well worth reading to see the Flood from the perspective of scientists who are Christians and fully believe the account.

 

[JamOn]

I believe it was a global flood, though what that carved out of the landscape if anything is debatable.

 

[Webers.Home]

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though what that carved out of the landscape if anything is debatable.

Noah's flood was too brief; scarcely a year in total. In order for water to
cause notable erosion rakes hundreds, even thousands of years; and it has
to be moving water rather than standing water-- the flood was more like
a lake than a river.
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[JamOn]

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Noah's flood was too brief; scarcely a year in total. In order for water to
cause notable erosion rakes hundreds, even thousands of years; and it has
to be moving water rather than standing water-- the flood was more like
a lake than a river.
_

That seems possible also and I’ve looked into chapter 7 and actually it supports a gradual filling up per say in stages

stage 1 the water increased enough that the ark was lifted
Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

2 water increased greatly enough so the supertanker type boat had enough room to float out to sea the waters
Genesis 7:18
And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

3 waters increased on earth so the high hills was covered.
Genesis 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered.

4 the waters increased on earth at stage four the mountains was covered
Genesis 7:20
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.


these verses above doesn’t read as raging flood waters but more like a lake or cup being filled over a period of 40 days and nights like you mentioned standing increasing in depth

So yes I think that is possible

 

[biker]

I have always found this as a comforting sign about just how TRUE Noah's flood was:


Native Americans Tell of Giants

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Choctaw legends say that after their people crossed the Mississippi River, they met a powerful race of cannibal giants. They came from the east and used mammoths as beasts of burden.

“Buffalo Bill” Cody tells of meeting a Pawnee Indian carrying, what an army surgeon declared to be a thigh bone of a giant man. When asked where the bone came from, the Indian said that long ago a race of giants had lived in the area who were 15 feet tall! “They could outrun a buffalo and even carry it in one hand” The Indian went on to say that these giants did not believe in a Great Spirit. So He caused a great rain to come, and the water kept rising higher and higher. So it drove them to the hills and then to the mountains and finally to the mountain tops. But even the mountain tops were submerged so all the giant men were drowned. After the flood, the Great spirit decided that he had made man too large and powerful. So He would correct the mistake and make man of smaller size and less strength. He said this story is a matter of Indian history passed down from time immemorial.

The Sioux say that the earth was originally peopled by giants, who were three times the size of modern man. They too say that the giants denied belief in a Creator. They too say that the giants were wiped out by a great flood.

Navaho legends also tell of a great giant that used to wander the land. They also say that giants used to live in the Grand Canyon and they were 10 to 18 feet tall.

In the Chaco Canyon in New Mexico, at the base of the cliff behind the ruins of Pueblo Bonito, are a series of six-toed footprints. In the 1890’s in Crittenden, Arizona, men uncovered a granite coffin 12 feet in length. But the only remaining evidence was a six toed foot.

The Paiute Indians have legends about giants and how they killed them. The race of giants they called Si-Te-Ca were very tall, red-haired cannibals. The Paiutes started war against them when they entered their land. A coalition of tribes managed to trap the last remaining giants in a cave. While shooting arrows at them, they started a large fire at the mouth of the cave. Eventually the giants were completely wiped out.

One of the richest finds of giant skeletons is in the Ohio Valley. These are the so-called ‘Hopewell Mounds’ by archeologists as they are attributed to the Hopewell Indians. In fact, there is no such thing as Hopewell Indians! The land itself was owned by a farmer named Hopewell. Archeologists said that it was all ceremonial stuff from an unknown tribe of Native Americans so they dubbed them the Hopewell. They didn’t want it found out about all the giant skeletons there (because that flies in the face of their evolutionary theories on man – see the file; “Evolutionists Lies & Coverups”). Native Americans themselves will tell you these structures were built by giants.

There are over 300 historical accounts of giant skeletons in the Ohio Valley! Also found is Hebrew script and Sumerian symbols. You can find this all documented in the book, “The Nephilim Chronicles: Fallen Angels in the Ohio Valley” by Fritz Zimmerman. Ohio Historical Society archeologist, Brad Lepper says, “The Hopewell built these ceremonial spaces, on such a large scale, not for the locals, but for people hundreds if not thousands of miles away.” (What? – Does that even make any practical sense at all?)

The Cahokia Mounds of Ohio is the largest and most complex archeological site north of the pre-Columbian cities in Mexico. It is the largest prehistoric earthen construction in the Americas north of Mexico with more than 120 earthen mounds. Some reach 100 feet into the sky and more than 50 million cubic feet of earth was moved for the construction.

 

[biker]

This part of these tales stands out most for me:

There are over 300 historical accounts of giant skeletons in the Ohio Valley! Also found is Hebrew script and Sumerian symbols. You can find this all documented in the book, “The Nephilim Chronicles: Fallen Angels in the Ohio Valley” by Fritz Zimmerman. Ohio Historical Society archeologist, Brad Lepper says, “The Hopewell built these ceremonial spaces, on such a large scale, not for the locals, but for people hundreds if not thousands of miles away.” (What? – Does that even make any practical sense at all?)

 

[biker]

Ironic, Nephilim here in what is now the United States. Satan knew God would do something amazing here because at one time our Nation loved God!

 

[JamOn]

I have always found this as a comforting sign about just how TRUE Noah's flood was:


Native Americans Tell of Giants

​

Choctaw legends say that after their people crossed the Mississippi River, they met a powerful race of cannibal giants. They came from the east and used mammoths as beasts of burden.

“Buffalo Bill” Cody tells of meeting a Pawnee Indian carrying, what an army surgeon declared to be a thigh bone of a giant man. When asked where the bone came from, the Indian said that long ago a race of giants had lived in the area who were 15 feet tall! “They could outrun a buffalo and even carry it in one hand” The Indian went on to say that these giants did not believe in a Great Spirit. So He caused a great rain to come, and the water kept rising higher and higher. So it drove them to the hills and then to the mountains and finally to the mountain tops. But even the mountain tops were submerged so all the giant men were drowned. After the flood, the Great spirit decided that he had made man too large and powerful. So He would correct the mistake and make man of smaller size and less strength. He said this story is a matter of Indian history passed down from time immemorial.

The Sioux say that the earth was originally peopled by giants, who were three times the size of modern man. They too say that the giants denied belief in a Creator. They too say that the giants were wiped out by a great flood.

Navaho legends also tell of a great giant that used to wander the land. They also say that giants used to live in the Grand Canyon and they were 10 to 18 feet tall.

In the Chaco Canyon in New Mexico, at the base of the cliff behind the ruins of Pueblo Bonito, are a series of six-toed footprints. In the 1890’s in Crittenden, Arizona, men uncovered a granite coffin 12 feet in length. But the only remaining evidence was a six toed foot.

The Paiute Indians have legends about giants and how they killed them. The race of giants they called Si-Te-Ca were very tall, red-haired cannibals. The Paiutes started war against them when they entered their land. A coalition of tribes managed to trap the last remaining giants in a cave. While shooting arrows at them, they started a large fire at the mouth of the cave. Eventually the giants were completely wiped out.

One of the richest finds of giant skeletons is in the Ohio Valley. These are the so-called ‘Hopewell Mounds’ by archeologists as they are attributed to the Hopewell Indians. In fact, there is no such thing as Hopewell Indians! The land itself was owned by a farmer named Hopewell. Archeologists said that it was all ceremonial stuff from an unknown tribe of Native Americans so they dubbed them the Hopewell. They didn’t want it found out about all the giant skeletons there (because that flies in the face of their evolutionary theories on man – see the file; “Evolutionists Lies & Coverups”). Native Americans themselves will tell you these structures were built by giants.

There are over 300 historical accounts of giant skeletons in the Ohio Valley! Also found is Hebrew script and Sumerian symbols. You can find this all documented in the book, “The Nephilim Chronicles: Fallen Angels in the Ohio Valley” by Fritz Zimmerman. Ohio Historical Society archeologist, Brad Lepper says, “The Hopewell built these ceremonial spaces, on such a large scale, not for the locals, but for people hundreds if not thousands of miles away.” (What? – Does that even make any practical sense at all?)

The Cahokia Mounds of Ohio is the largest and most complex archeological site north of the pre-Columbian cities in Mexico. It is the largest prehistoric earthen construction in the Americas north of Mexico with more than 120 earthen mounds. Some reach 100 feet into the sky and more than 50 million cubic feet of earth was moved for the construction.

Interesting story, so if these giants lived in Canyons that would probably mean before the flood Canyons was part of the landscape.

 

[JaumeJ]

When I was studying at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, I did take courses in geology in order to fulfill certain requirements.

I loved it, and understand it fairly well. Although I understand how the geological coumn works, and know how to apply it in determining stratification andages of certain minerals and rocks, I believe the Bible.

To believe the time scale of geology is, to me, like claiming to believe evolution. It takes very little thought to debunk the timeline given by geology and the events dictated by evolution, very little, but then I have no great need to convince anyone here. Those who believe such things are quite busy tryong to convince believers in their hair brained thinking.

 

[Hungry]

There are other possibilities. There are too many loose ends to emphatically state anything. From all of the puzzle pieces I have found make a picture that isn’t exactly Biblical or non-Biblical either. If you look at the fact that the humans didn’t even start having children until into their eighties and nineties it could be presumed that their maturity and growth rate was much longer creating a 100 year growth rate. These men might have been the giants. It states the hybrids were mighty men and there were giants. It doesn’t say the mighty men were the giants. Perhaps those genetically closer to Noah still had giant genes. After the flood they started eating meat and lost some sorts of vegetation. Is it possible that this is why their lifespans depleted. Regardless, many pyramids and artifacts are hundreds of feet below sea level. As well there are maps that show the Antarctic without snow. Also vegetation in the north tundra. I think whatever it describes in Revelation 6 that causes the large earthquake and islands to move from their place and stars to fall from the sky and the sky to recede like a scroll happened before. I think it’s not ridiculous to assume it shifted the axis of the earth. It is recorded that a flyby planet is in orbit that devistates earth. It would be wise not to dismiss such tales as fiction. The earth looks very much like civilization built on civilization. Perhaps the last “recreation” has been thousands of years but it would be intellectually dishonest to say the earth is only that old. Like I said, loose ends.

 

[JaumeJ]

This is about all I can say for now, all I cafre to that is. I havae always believed people lived longer in the earliest times because man had not yet begun to foul the earth its products, the atmosphere, and the hydrospher yet.

Everything as given was good, but it became made bad. Corn starch is a very good example of what man has done to everything, without our Maker in consideration.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In order for water to cause notable erosion rakes hundreds, even thousands of years

It was not erosion but EXPLOSION from under the surface of the earth.

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Gen 7:11)

MATTHEW HENRY
See what was done on that day, that fatal day to the world of the ungodly. (1.) The fountains of the great deep were broken up. Perhaps there needed no new creation of waters; what were already made to be, in the common course of providence, blessings to the earth, were now, by an extraordinary act of divine power, made the ruin of it. God has laid up the deep in storehouses (Ps. 33:7), and now he broke up those stores....

JOHN GILL
the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened; and by both these the flood of waters was brought upon the earth, which drowned it, and all the creatures in it: by the former are meant the vast quantities of subterraneous waters, which are more or greater than we know; and might be greater still at the time of the deluge:"there are large lakes, (as Seneca observes (z),) which we see not, much of the sea that lies hidden, and many rivers that slide in secret:''so that those vast quantities of water in the bowels of the earth being pressed upwards, by the falling down of the earth, or by some other cause unknown to us, as Bishop Patrick observes, gushed out violently in several parts of the earth, where holes and gaps were made, and where they either found or made a vent, which, with the forty days' rain, might well make such a flood as here described: it is observed (a), there are seas which have so many rivers running into them, which must be emptied in an unknown manner, by some subterraneous passages, as the Euxine sea...

 

[Webers.Home]

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In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the
seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the
great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Gen
7:11)

The Hebrew word translated "deep" is tehowm (teh-home') which
indicates an abyss (as a surging mass of water) especially the deep (the
main sea or the subterranean water-supply). Tehowm occurred very early on
in the Bible's texts at Gen 1:1-2.

The difference is that this deep is the great deep. The word for "great" is
from rab (rab) which means abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank,
quality), so that this particular deep could be thought of as bottomless; viz:
an abysmal source of water beyond human imagination whereas the Earth's
indigenous sources are limited. The precise location of the great deep is
currently unknown.

The "windows" of heaven are translated from 'arubbah (ar-oob-baw') which
refers to a sluice; viz: a trough and/or a channel for moving water from one
place to another; in this case for transferring water from the great deep to
the Earth.

Seeing as how Gen 7:11 speaks of heaven and sluices, then I think it's safe
to assume that the water used to flood the Earth came from somewhere out
in the cosmos; which is actually a reasonable assumption.

In an article I found on the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have
discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the
universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all
of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity
of water to inundate the Earth to a depth required by the Flood.
_

 

[JamOn]

It was not erosion but EXPLOSION from under the surface of the earth.

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Gen 7:11)

MATTHEW HENRY
See what was done on that day, that fatal day to the world of the ungodly. (1.) The fountains of the great deep were broken up. Perhaps there needed no new creation of waters; what were already made to be, in the common course of providence, blessings to the earth, were now, by an extraordinary act of divine power, made the ruin of it. God has laid up the deep in storehouses (Ps. 33:7), and now he broke up those stores....

JOHN GILL
the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened; and by both these the flood of waters was brought upon the earth, which drowned it, and all the creatures in it: by the former are meant the vast quantities of subterraneous waters, which are more or greater than we know; and might be greater still at the time of the deluge:"there are large lakes, (as Seneca observes (z),) which we see not, much of the sea that lies hidden, and many rivers that slide in secret:''so that those vast quantities of water in the bowels of the earth being pressed upwards, by the falling down of the earth, or by some other cause unknown to us, as Bishop Patrick observes, gushed out violently in several parts of the earth, where holes and gaps were made, and where they either found or made a vent, which, with the forty days' rain, might well make such a flood as here described: it is observed (a), there are seas which have so many rivers running into them, which must be emptied in an unknown manner, by some subterraneous passages, as the Euxine sea...

I can agree with the explosion also, scripture does say it broke open but being it was deep doesn’t seems to have to much effect on the surface at the start, the ark was lifted I doubt it was lifted violently but the water increased once lifted the water greatly increases that could be the heavens opening not sure if the Bible mentioning both events happening at once but the deep could of opened first than the windows of heaven opened up second thus the difference in amount of increase than greatly increased in genesis 7

 

[UnoiAmarah]

14. Finally God made a promise to never curse the ground again “for man’s sake”, and that the seasons would remain as long as the (present) earth remained (Gen 8L21, 22). The rainbow (which is presently being perverted by sexual perverts) was to be a sign to mankind and God would not use another Flood against humanity. But that did not preclude the future judgment of the earth with fire, in preparation for the New Heavens and the New Earth. God also made a covenant with Noah (the Noahic Covenant) which is significant and which followed his sacrifices.

How didn't that preclude destroying the earth by any means when it is written in Genesis 9:12, "And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:"

Perpetual means continuing forever without end. So how could the part about the all flesh would not be cut off by the waters of a flood and neither shall there be any more a flood to destroy the earth since that was just a token of the covenant which would he made to the perpetual generations?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

In an article I found on the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have
discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the
universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all
of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity
of water to inundate the Earth to a depth required by the Flood.

Well, water in space does not form a cloud but rather solidifies and turns into ice. So if that mass of water was ever to hit the earth it would destroy it rather than cause a flood.

But then again, when the LORD brought the cloud over the earth to cover it like a garment as written in the book of Job, then since the time it came to pass that when he looked upon the bow in the cloud he would remember that the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh and "that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth." (Gen. 9:16)

 

[Dino246]

Noah's flood was too brief; scarcely a year in total. In order for water to
cause notable erosion rakes hundreds, even thousands of years; and it has to be moving water rather than standing water-- the flood was more like a lake than a river.

Water moving slowly erodes slowly. Water moving quickly erodes quickly. Enormous amounts of water moving very quickly would erode very quickly.

I suggest you search YouTube for videos on the Missoula Flood, Mount St. Helen's, and Flood Geology. There's a lot of relevant information of which you seem unaware.

 

[JamOn]

Water moving slowly erodes slowly. Water moving quickly erodes quickly. Enormous amounts of water moving very quickly would erode very quickly.

I suggest you search YouTube for videos on the Missoula Flood, Mount St. Helen's, and Flood Geology. There's a lot of relevant information of which you seem unaware.

The mount helens didn’t create any mass dig out earth, the mud flow which is said was like concrete flowing carved little trenches through the loose mountain side that slid, but not much in the way of a canyon at all, nor the Missouri flood

 

[UnoiAmarah]

There's a lot of relevant information of which you seem unaware.

He said that the flood would have been more like a lake (standing water) than like a river (moving water).

Standing water doesn't erode the ground.

The scriptures themselves state that the waters prevailed upwards 15 cubits a day. That means the waters upon the earth would have been compressing the atmosphere into a narrower space whereby the pressure downward would have sunk anything floating on top of the water.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

The Indian went on to say that these giants did not believe in a Great Spirit. So He caused a great rain to come, and the water kept rising higher and higher. So it drove them to the hills and then to the mountains and finally to the mountain tops. But even the mountain tops were submerged so all the giant men were drowned. After the flood, the Great spirit decided that he had made man too large and powerful. So He would correct the mistake and make man of smaller size and less strength. He said this story is a matter of Indian history passed down from time immemorial.

Great story but that is all it is, a story.

That is if you are going to take the interpretation that there was a global flood of waters, since it wasn't until the sons of Noah that the whole earth was overspread. [Gen 9:19]