Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?
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I think you may have confused "literal" with "literalistic".
To take Scripture Literally means according to the author's intention, recognizing the literary genre, and not imposing another meaning unless the Word tells us it is using a figure of speech.
Taking Scripture Literalistically generates an unlettered, ultimately illiterate reading—one that is incapable of recognizing less obvious uses of language such as metaphor, satire, and so forth. It hold's to the literal meaning of every words while ignoring the context of the passage, book and the rest of the Scriptures.
To take Scripture Literally means according to the author's intention, recognizing the literary genre, and not imposing another meaning unless the Word tells us it is using a figure of speech.
Taking Scripture Literalistically generates an unlettered, ultimately illiterate reading—one that is incapable of recognizing less obvious uses of language such as metaphor, satire, and so forth. It hold's to the literal meaning of every words while ignoring the context of the passage, book and the rest of the Scriptures.
As you claimed to be using a "biblical" definition, yes.
"Faith" is defined in Scripture; very few other words are. For most, we gain our understanding of the words from having learned them elsewhere and/or by how they are used in Scripture. What I see is you trying to make an appeal to the authority of Scripture for your use of interpret, which you (seem to) believe excludes my use of it.
It ain't gonna fly, because you're employing circular reasoning. You are interpreting (or adopting an interpretation of) the word "interpret", doing exactly what you claim not to be doing, in order to support your interpretation of other passages.
"Faith" is defined in Scripture; very few other words are. For most, we gain our understanding of the words from having learned them elsewhere and/or by how they are used in Scripture. What I see is you trying to make an appeal to the authority of Scripture for your use of interpret, which you (seem to) believe excludes my use of it.
It ain't gonna fly, because you're employing circular reasoning. You are interpreting (or adopting an interpretation of) the word "interpret", doing exactly what you claim not to be doing, in order to support your interpretation of other passages.
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I never used the phrase "Biblical definition".
I just said that I prefer to use other words like "explanation" rather than interpretation because modern understandings of "explanation" are closer to the lexical data for the Biblical word "interpret".
I think you're making a way bigger deal out of this than necessary. There's not much of a difference between the words, so I'm not going to say that its wrong to use the word interpret. I'm just choosing not to use it. This isn't even a doctrinal matter, but you're insisting that I change my mind about my preference (its a sign that you might be a contentious person). Its ok to let people have a preferences about how they communicate.
Just because you're wrong about many things doesn't mean I have to say "you're wrong" every time I see an error. There are other ways of going about communication that can send a better message. I believe that stating the Truth is the best way to point out error.....not just state that there is an error.
I just said that I prefer to use other words like "explanation" rather than interpretation because modern understandings of "explanation" are closer to the lexical data for the Biblical word "interpret".
I think you're making a way bigger deal out of this than necessary. There's not much of a difference between the words, so I'm not going to say that its wrong to use the word interpret. I'm just choosing not to use it. This isn't even a doctrinal matter, but you're insisting that I change my mind about my preference (its a sign that you might be a contentious person). Its ok to let people have a preferences about how they communicate.
Just because you're wrong about many things doesn't mean I have to say "you're wrong" every time I see an error. There are other ways of going about communication that can send a better message. I believe that stating the Truth is the best way to point out error.....not just state that there is an error.
1 Tim 2:I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. 11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
The text states DIRECTLY that Adam was not deceived, and Eve was deceived. Adam KNOWINGLY ate of the fruit. Yet, people keep claiming that Adam was deceived too.
Now, I know that those who believe women are allowed to lead men will twist the Scriptures, just like they do on many topics, but Paul himself points to a creation order issue with regards to women leadership.
Additionally, there was no woman amongst the Twelve.
As I have said, quite often in liberal churches the first step is women leadership and then gay membership and leadership.
The text states DIRECTLY that Adam was not deceived, and Eve was deceived. Adam KNOWINGLY ate of the fruit. Yet, people keep claiming that Adam was deceived too.
Now, I know that those who believe women are allowed to lead men will twist the Scriptures, just like they do on many topics, but Paul himself points to a creation order issue with regards to women leadership.
Additionally, there was no woman amongst the Twelve.
As I have said, quite often in liberal churches the first step is women leadership and then gay membership and leadership.
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@UnitedWithChrist - If the bible offered no guidance either way about whether or not women are allowed to preach in church and hold positions of authority, would your own personal belief still be that women should not be allowed to preach in church or hold positions of authority?
Well it's right there in the same passage, this is why women are not to have authority nor to speak in the churches, Satan gets his hook in the women easy. That is whom the animal deceived. You also inadvertently stumble upon more of the reason despite making the cliché argument of the wicked feminists that think arguing for the multitude of evil men in history changes the facts about what good women are and what evil women are. t is kind of a hilarious argument because there is a pattern with the evil men and evil women that they work in tandem deceiving and fornicating with each other like Zimri son of Salu and Cozbi. Even some of the good men are deceived by the wickedest women like Samson and Delilah and must die because of them. This old storyline is told even well past the Bible into today as Paul says in a rare prophecy about the later times (now?) stating that evil men creep into house and lead away silly women laden with sins lusting together. This like the precept of women being subject to men goes back to Adam and Eve of course.
Yes look how Adam fell, look how the animal Satan, a dragon breathing out the first three Lies turned the order around that the good God originally set out and declared good in his sight. Now both the woman and man will die because of this, just like God had warned them speaking to them the truth. In fact Satan is really a dumb animal, although subtle, because he has to die too because of this thing and he will not ever get salvation.
The reason Adam ate is because Eve gave him the fruit it is said. He trusted her and loved her we know from where we read when God made her for him by taking her out of him and making her in Adam's image, but we know also because of what Adam confesses and what God says that he ate because he hearkened to the woman and let her have just that little authority over him. She caused him to die by giving the fruit to him and because he listened to her. Though man must not let woman have authority over him, remember ultimately it is because of the lies which the serpent did speak to her and make her believe transferring the order of authority to himself with falsehoods really by making them forget Lord God. Though all the lies in the world won't change the truth that Lord Jesus will come soon and slay Satan and his deceived armies, and cast them away. God shall raise the dead and judge them and God's kingdom shall reign forever, praise Jesus.
Yes look how Adam fell, look how the animal Satan, a dragon breathing out the first three Lies turned the order around that the good God originally set out and declared good in his sight. Now both the woman and man will die because of this, just like God had warned them speaking to them the truth. In fact Satan is really a dumb animal, although subtle, because he has to die too because of this thing and he will not ever get salvation.
The reason Adam ate is because Eve gave him the fruit it is said. He trusted her and loved her we know from where we read when God made her for him by taking her out of him and making her in Adam's image, but we know also because of what Adam confesses and what God says that he ate because he hearkened to the woman and let her have just that little authority over him. She caused him to die by giving the fruit to him and because he listened to her. Though man must not let woman have authority over him, remember ultimately it is because of the lies which the serpent did speak to her and make her believe transferring the order of authority to himself with falsehoods really by making them forget Lord God. Though all the lies in the world won't change the truth that Lord Jesus will come soon and slay Satan and his deceived armies, and cast them away. God shall raise the dead and judge them and God's kingdom shall reign forever, praise Jesus.
The question is irrelevant, because it most certainly offers guidance. I listed the Scripture.
Women have breasts to nurse children. Until the advent of formula, that's the general way a child was raised. There is a segregation of duties between men and women. And, men are to lead the Church.
Even the three Persons of the Triune God demonstrates diversity of functions. The Father elects, the Son redeems, the Holy Spirit applies. There is no disgrace in terms of diversity.
Today's society wants women to straddle up to the urinal because Satan wants to obliterate these distinctions. It is because he hates God and his handiwork. He wants to obliterate every understanding of God's will, as reflected in creation.
Some Christians are all about doing Satan's work in this regard.
If you are looking for me to say that women are inferior in terms of being, so that you can pounce upon me, no, I do not believe that. However, there is a subordination which is inherent in the created design, and it is APPARENT. Read Romans 1. This is the kind of stuff that homosexuals use to continue in their perversion.
Women have breasts to nurse children. Until the advent of formula, that's the general way a child was raised. There is a segregation of duties between men and women. And, men are to lead the Church.
Even the three Persons of the Triune God demonstrates diversity of functions. The Father elects, the Son redeems, the Holy Spirit applies. There is no disgrace in terms of diversity.
Today's society wants women to straddle up to the urinal because Satan wants to obliterate these distinctions. It is because he hates God and his handiwork. He wants to obliterate every understanding of God's will, as reflected in creation.
Some Christians are all about doing Satan's work in this regard.
If you are looking for me to say that women are inferior in terms of being, so that you can pounce upon me, no, I do not believe that. However, there is a subordination which is inherent in the created design, and it is APPARENT. Read Romans 1. This is the kind of stuff that homosexuals use to continue in their perversion.
By the way, I don't agree with the sub-intellectual claims by men of particular orientations that women are to be blamed for sexual sin because they seduce me with the Jezebel spirit. Women do, in fact, sometimes employ seduction and lead men into sin, but I blame the men for their lusts more than the woman. Additionally, many men seduce innocent women, too.
My issue is with doctrinal gullibility. Women are gullible when it comes to doctrine, and should be led. And, it was not just a cultural factor.
1 Tim 3: 1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. 9 But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.
My issue is with doctrinal gullibility. Women are gullible when it comes to doctrine, and should be led. And, it was not just a cultural factor.
1 Tim 3: 1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. 9 But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.
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