Why Millennialism Remains.

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Not according to Acts. How can Jesus sit on David's throne while David is buried and the resurrection is on the last day?
That’s a future prophecy. I’ve already provided tons of scripture showing the present ministry of Jesus as He is seated at the right hand of the Father, and the future ministry as King.
 
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The simple answer is, Daniel said the Kingdom of God would arrive in the time of the Roman Empire. Most expected a physical kingdom ushered in by the Messiah. But it did not happen. Jesus did not fit the model. So they thought the 70th week must still be future. The last chance for the Messianic Kingdom in Roman times must happen in a future time and place.

This would mean the Roman Empire must appear in the future. And a Temple complete with sacrifices must appear. So Antichrist, not Jesus (as in the LXX) can stop them. But the kingdom came as Daniel said it would.

The reason nearly all missed it is because the Kingdom is spiritual, not physical as once believed. Jesus taught only the born-again can see it which is not true of a physical kingdom. That it is within believers, another impossibility for a physical kingdom. And it is not of this world which makes it impossible before the end of the world. This was a real game-changer because it meant the Old Testament prophecies were not materialistic, but symbolic depicting spiritual realities.

Elijah was now John the Baptist. The Temple is Jesus, the temple made without hands. Ezekiel’s temple is now a symbol of Christ. The animal sacrifices a symbol for Christ’s atonement. And the promise to Abraham realized through the gospel preached to all nations.

So the main split in Christianity remains between those seeking a future physical kingdom of sight. And those who see the kingdom of faith, as viewed in scripture.
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The kingdom of God at the time of the disciples was not a physical kingdom, but spiritual, which when they received the Spirit then the kingdom of God is within them and they displayed the kingdom of God's ways on earth.

At the day of Pentecost the kingdom of God had come, and some did not die until they seen that day, and people received the Spirit and was added to the Church.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

But the disciples asked Jesus if the kingdom would be restored to them at that time, and He said the Father will do it in His own time, but be concerned with preaching the Gospel.

So there is to be a physical kingdom on earth in the future which the kingdom will be restored to Israel.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Which God will make a full end of all Gentile nations their ruling governments, but not make a full end of Israel but they will be punished in part for their disobedience to God.

Paul said that God has not cast away His people.

God said He does not change therefore the sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God said if the ordinances of heaven are still in affect then His covenant with Israel is still in affect, and they shall not cease from being a nation.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The nation of Israel has 70 weeks, 490 years, to make an end of sin, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus.

Which the time began before Jesus came for if the Jews were in the truth the Roman Empire would of not been able to have control over Israel.

The nation of Israel does not acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, so the 70th week could of not been fulfilled.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Israel is blinded in part for the majority does not accept the New Testament, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in which is when repentance and salvation are no longer available to them, and so all Israel shall be saved.

Which the Jews will not see Jesus again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Which God will gather all nations together to go against Jerusalem and then God will fight the world and defeat them and save Israel.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Which all the people of the world will be gathered together against Jerusalem, and anybody that goes against her shall be cut in pieces.

The first attack on Jerusalem by the Roman Empire because Israel rejected the truth, and God allowed it as a punishment to the Jews for rejecting the truth.

But God will gather the Jews back to their land and leave none of them in the Gentile nations.

The second attack on Jerusalem by the world which Israel accepted the truth, and God goes against the world and defeats the world, and saves Israel.

Continued,
 
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Continued,

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

God will defeat the world and save Israel, and Jesus shall take over the world and rule it, which in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one which the heathen that God spared will not acknowledge any god, or religious figure but only acknowledge Jesus.

And the earth shall be full of the ways of God.

And the heathen have to go to Jerusalem every year to worship Jesus.

This has not happened in the past so it must be in the future, and it says the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and the world will only acknowledge Him, and the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, and cannot be speaking of a new earth for there will be no heathen there.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Jesus will set His glory among the heathen when He shall rule, and they shall know He is God when He defeated them.

And the house of Israel shall know the LORD their God from that day forward and be in the truth, and never stray from it again.

Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

The heathen shall know that God was always on Israel's side but God hid His face from them temporarily because of their sins against Him so they suffered from it but God restored the kingdom back to them.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God said He is going to bring the whole house of Israel back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they shall know the LORD their God, and He will never hide His face from them again, which means they will be in the truth and never stray from it again.

In the first century the kingdom of God came spiritually by the Holy Spirit, and was not a physical kingdom.

But there will be a physical kingdom in the future in which the kingdom on earth is restored to the Jews, and the nation of Israel comes to the truth, and the world attacks Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world, and saves Israel.

And then Jesus rules over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

America has been pushing for a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians for years.

President Trump pushes for that peace treaty more than any other president.

And the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Trump is the greatest friend from the White House they ever had.

This coronavirus will start causing the world to work together for peace.

Which they will eventually have a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians, and the nations will work together for peace on earth.

Which will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and whoever is the mediator in that peace treaty wants them all back on their land.

When the Jews are all on their land, and the world follows the New Age Christ, and takes the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in.

Then God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and the world will attack the Jews and Jesus will defeat the world and save the Jews, and so all Israel shall be saved.

Then Jesus will be King over all the earth, and fulfill the role of perfect King which must be done on earth, and when the millennial reign is over then heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints will be at the New Jerusalem, the new earth, where sin has never been and sin will never be.

Israel has 70 weeks to make an end of sins, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus.

And they will not see Jesus again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

The nation of Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.

We see the Gentiles can still receive salvation, so Israel is still blinded in part.

And we see that Israel as a nation is not in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

So the 70th week could of not been fulfilled.
 
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Continued,

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

God will defeat the world and save Israel, and Jesus shall take over the world and rule it, which in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one which the heathen that God spared will not acknowledge any god, or religious figure but only acknowledge Jesus.

And the earth shall be full of the ways of God.

And the heathen have to go to Jerusalem every year to worship Jesus.

This has not happened in the past so it must be in the future, and it says the LORD shall be King over all the earth, and the world will only acknowledge Him, and the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, and cannot be speaking of a new earth for there will be no heathen there.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Jesus will set His glory among the heathen when He shall rule, and they shall know He is God when He defeated them.

And the house of Israel shall know the LORD their God from that day forward and be in the truth, and never stray from it again.

Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

The heathen shall know that God was always on Israel's side but God hid His face from them temporarily because of their sins against Him so they suffered from it but God restored the kingdom back to them.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God said He is going to bring the whole house of Israel back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they shall know the LORD their God, and He will never hide His face from them again, which means they will be in the truth and never stray from it again.

In the first century the kingdom of God came spiritually by the Holy Spirit, and was not a physical kingdom.

But there will be a physical kingdom in the future in which the kingdom on earth is restored to the Jews, and the nation of Israel comes to the truth, and the world attacks Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world, and saves Israel.

And then Jesus rules over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

America has been pushing for a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians for years.

President Trump pushes for that peace treaty more than any other president.

And the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Trump is the greatest friend from the White House they ever had.

This coronavirus will start causing the world to work together for peace.

Which they will eventually have a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians, and the nations will work together for peace on earth.

Which will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and whoever is the mediator in that peace treaty wants them all back on their land.

When the Jews are all on their land, and the world follows the New Age Christ, and takes the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in.

Then God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and the world will attack the Jews and Jesus will defeat the world and save the Jews, and so all Israel shall be saved.

Then Jesus will be King over all the earth, and fulfill the role of perfect King which must be done on earth, and when the millennial reign is over then heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints will be at the New Jerusalem, the new earth, where sin has never been and sin will never be.

Israel has 70 weeks to make an end of sins, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus.

And they will not see Jesus again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

The nation of Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.

We see the Gentiles can still receive salvation, so Israel is still blinded in part.

And we see that Israel as a nation is not in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

So the 70th week could of not been fulfilled.
Partially true. But God separated the unbelieving Jews from Israel when he abolished circumcision. And you turn Jesus into Antichrist by saying the 70th week is still future. The LXX disproves this the easy way.
 

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It is spiritual if you look for evidence in the NT. Don't think like the Pharisees and you'll se it.
So Jesus came as a spirit?...as there were 100's of OT prophecies regarding His Physical activity here on earth. Are the virgin birth, incarnation and physical death of Jesus all 'spiritual' to you?
 
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So Jesus came as a spirit?...as there were 100's of OT prophecies regarding His Physical activity here on earth. Are the virgin birth, incarnation and physical death of Jesus all 'spiritual' to you?
Jesus refuted the physical kingdom. Here's a valuable reference for you to print out and keep in your bible.

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
 

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Jesus refuted the physical kingdom. Here's a valuable reference for you to print out and keep in your bible.

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
I see, you don't answer questions, you just 'blab' your twisted agenda. It's not a healthy sign to be fixated and obsessed with one particular topic.
 
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So there is to be a physical kingdom on earth in the future which the kingdom will be restored to Israel.
We already know there is no temple as the abomination of desolation..Why build another? Mock God? .

We are the temporal temples . The veil is rent. We are temples like that in the wilderness portable. Where ever you go there you are. We have the power of the gospel in us but not of this corrupted tent or flesh .

On which earth ? Seeing new incorruptible affords no memory of this corrupted creation. It will not be made up of the corrupted rudiments of this one under the Sun, or under the judgement of God . And which Israel? Israel as the one bride of Christ revealed in Revelation 12 and 21 made up of all the nations... the chaste virgin bride the church? With the Moon and Sun under her feet clothed with the righteous of her husband Christ.

Its the end of time the last day? Thousand years clearly representing a unknown according to the signified language of the Book of law . .
 
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I see, you don't answer questions, you just 'blab' your twisted agenda. It's not a healthy sign to be fixated and obsessed with one particular topic.
Why should I cater to those who insult me?
 
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David’s throne is a physical throne in Jerusalem. To make it a spiritual throne violates the rest of Scripture.
it would seem you are walking by sight not by faith the eternal ?

No wood in heaven?

God is not a man as .


2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Physical what the eyes see the temporal as thrones are used as shadows to represent the more glorious unseen presence of God. Clouds or the Bosom of Abraham are used in that same way are to represent the presence of God not seen . The description in the parable below is "throne" singular of the. God and of the Lamb.David throne was a shadow of the eternal

Not a lamb named David literally sitting on the lap of a old man.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

One place as a throne of authority, one God.
 
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You have to make:

Jerusalem spiritual
Zion spiritual
David’s throne spiritual
Land spiritual
Earth spiritual
Nations spiritual
The restoration of Israel spiritual
The deliverance of Israel’s enemies spiritual
The kingdoms of this world spiritual
Thrones spiritual
Kings of the earth spiritual

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Jesus made them spiritual just as He made John the Baptist Elijah.

Just as Hebrews make the city of Jerusalem spiritual:

(Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels)

Just as Paul stated first the physical then the spiritual:

(1 Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual)
 

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Partially true. But God separated the unbelieving Jews from Israel when he abolished circumcision. And you turn Jesus into Antichrist by saying the 70th week is still future. The LXX disproves this the easy way.
The LXX? You’re quickly losing all credibility. There’s no such thing as a pre-Christian, official and authoritative so called Greek Septuagint known as the LXX. What passes for the LXX today is nothing more than the Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus manuscripts, all of which were written some 250 to 300 years AFTER the New Testament was already complete. And they don’t even agree with one another.
 

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And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Glad you posted this again. How can the violent take the spiritual kingdom from within you? If so, you lose your salvation and are no longer part of the spiritual kingdom because it’s been taken from you by force.
 
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Glad you posted this again. How can the violent take the spiritual kingdom from within you? If so, you lose your salvation and are no longer part of the spiritual kingdom because it’s been taken from you by force.
Does Satan do this sort of thing? How about the great apostasy now taking place?
 
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The LXX? You’re quickly losing all credibility. There’s no such thing as a pre-Christian, official and authoritative so called Greek Septuagint known as the LXX. What passes for the LXX today is nothing more than the Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus manuscripts, all of which were written some 250 to 300 years AFTER the New Testament was already complete. And they don’t even agree with one another.
It's the bible Jesus and the first-century church used.
 
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This couldn’t be more wrong. You should study this further.
300 years before Christ was born, the Hebrew bible, which Christians consider the Old Testament, was translated into Koine Greek. The title of this translation was called the Septuagint. It is this translation that was used by the Paul, the Apostles, and the early church. It is still in use by the Orthodox Church today, however, sadly, it is rejected by most modern Christians in favor of the Masoretic text.
http://theorthodoxfaith.com/article/the-bible-of-the-early-church/
 

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300 years before Christ was born, the Hebrew bible, which Christians consider the Old Testament, was translated into Koine Greek. The title of this translation was called the Septuagint. It is this translation that was used by the Paul, the Apostles, and the early church. It is still in use by the Orthodox Church today, however, sadly, it is rejected by most modern Christians in favor of the Masoretic text.
http://theorthodoxfaith.com/article/the-bible-of-the-early-church/
Blah, blah, blah...this is false from a false website. The Septuagint and Vaticanus are corrupt. Stick with the KJV.