THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

[miknik5]

LOL no problem. No forgiving needed

First of all there is no such scripture in all of the Word of God that says anything about 7 years of tribulation. The bible does speak of a period of 7 years but no where does it say there will be seven years of tribulation or 7 years of the wrath of God. I would ask you for proof that the bible clearly say that there will be seven years of tribulation but there is no proof in the Bible. The word "intrigue" you used to describe the antichrist is an absolutely misleading, watered down and corrupted word when it comes to the biblical description of Satan incarnate. He is not a man of intrigue he is the man of sin, the lawless one, the antichrist and way more evil then any "man of intrigue.
And the body of Christ will have been completed on the day of the Resurrection. We will be here on earth to suffer 3 1/2 half years of tribulation during which there will be a great falling away/departure from the faith and we will not be resurrected until after the antichrist is on the world seen persecuting believers.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, AND BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM,
We will be gathered together unto Christ on resurrection day.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST.
THE DAY OF CHRIST IS RESURRECTION DAY.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY (AS IN THE DAY OF CHRIST/RESURRECTION DAY) SHALL NOT COME EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST (DEPARTURE FROM THE FAITH) AND THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION;
Which means that the antichrist will be here on earth persecuting us before the return of Christ.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 12.

There is a 31/2 year period during which this false covenant and the building of the temple in which CHRIST is delayed 21 days and the only one who helps Him, is Michael, the prince of Danielś people... (this is in line to Thesselonians _ HE who holds all things back, is taken out of the way)... (that sir, this 21 day period tranlates to the first part of a 3 year period.)...after that, we are told, blessed the man who waits 1335 days...thatś another 3.6 years sir

 

[miknik5]

Yes, the man of intrigue, is none other than the great imitator who can not manifest himself in one but will reveal himself in piecemeal: hence the false prophet and the beast, and the dragon who gave his power to the beast so that men on the earth will be found worshipping both the beast and the dragon...

Revelation 13

 

[tanakh]

Tanakh,,,,, what are you talking about....You seem to be in disarray or something......?

I found this post when browsing through the thread. It Isn't mine!! Yes I know its got my logo on it but hand on heart I never posted it
I can tell by the way its written

 

[tanakh]

The woman saith unto him Sir I perceive that thou art a Prophet
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain and ye say that in Jerusalem
is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her Woman
the believe me the hour cometh when ye shall neither in this mountain
nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father

John 4:20-21 KJV

But the Hour cometh and now is when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth for the Father
seeketh such to worship him. God is a spirit and they that
worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

John 4:23 KJV

According to Jesus true worshippers don't require a stone Temple not now or even then
I believe that any Temple built in Jerusalem wont have Gods blessing on it

 

[biker]

The woman saith unto him Sir I perceive that thou art a Prophet
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain and ye say that in Jerusalem
is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her Woman
the believe me the hour cometh when ye shall neither in this mountain
nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father

John 4:20-21 KJV

But the Hour cometh and now is when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth for the Father
seeketh such to worship him. God is a spirit and they that
worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

John 4:23 KJV

According to Jesus true worshippers don't require a stone Temple not now or even then
I believe that any Temple built in Jerusalem wont have Gods blessing on it

Amen!

But I believe it is necessary for the Temple to be rebuilt. Especially since Paul claims, the Antichrist will sit in it acting like he is God. as a catch 22, 1 cannot happen without the other.


3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[VCO]

Which Israel. Those born again from above or those still in their sin without hope and without God?

Going into the Millennial Kingdom there is not going into unbelieveing Israel, they will be all dead, except for the 144,000. There will be survivors in the other countries, it says so in Zephaniah 14. But the nation ISRAEL will be wiped out in WWIII, as the 144,000 flee thru the GREAT VALLEY by HIS Feet SPLITTING the Mount of Olives. I think they go into Jordan. So for a little while Population of Israel will be Zero. Yes, I take all those verses LITERALLY.

Now when HE calls them back, most of them will be farmers in the NEW PLAIN as HE FLATTENS everything from just North of Jerusalem all the way down to the south end of the DEAD SEA on the Western side. Yes I take that LITERALLY TOO. He wants them close, because they all have to worship Him and celebrate the Festival of Booths, and all the other mortals too. No there are no spiritual Israelites. JUST SAVED JEWS AND UNSAVED JEWS, SAVED GENTILES, and Unsaved GENTILES of NOW, and on into the FUTURE. What do I mean? After they 144,000 start to have Children, part of OUR JOB will be to TEACH the CHILDREN when we reign as Priests. It does not say, but I think HE will recreate the EARTH to be like the Garden of Eden. Mortals still have a hard time to become BORN AGAIN. When SATAN IS LOOSED from the bottomless pit after the Millennium, a multitude of those non-born again people, will join SATAN's rebellion. Then HE orders everyone of them into the LAKE OF FIRE.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am divisive.,...I have no part in encouraging unbelieving Jews that their building of the temple is what GOD requires of them in order for them to be made clean.

wow, wait a minute here. No one, I mean no one here is insisting or even suggesting that this is true.

Stand back a minute and try to see what we are really saying please.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

for the record

1. A temple does not NEED to be built to restore salvation to anyone
2. According to the author of Hebrews. The sacrifice of bulls and goats has NEVER taken away sin, so no temple in any age has been used for forgiveness of sin
3. The temple IS mentioned in future prophecy. It is not only seen, it is defiled, and it is part of prophecy. So when we get excited that the temple can be built soon, and we may witness the fulfillment of prophecy. people should join us in celebration. not attack us as preaching a false gospel.

bearing false witness against others is a sin. Lets repent and move on please

 

[Rosemaryx]

for the record

1. A temple does not NEED to be built to restore salvation to anyone
2. According to the author of Hebrews. The sacrifice of bulls and goats has NEVER taken away sin, so no temple in any age has been used for forgiveness of sin
3. The temple IS mentioned in future prophecy. It is not only seen, it is defiled, and it is part of prophecy. So when we get excited that the temple can be built soon, and we may witness the fulfillment of prophecy. people should join us in celebration. not attack us as preaching a false gospel.

bearing false witness against others is a sin. Lets repent and move on please

Hi eg...
Like I said before , I do not know much about these days coming , but from what I am understanding , the temple will be built because that is where the false prophet , antichrist will have his image and proclaim that he is God , after 3 half years of bringing false peace , he will be out with his army to destroy Jerusalem , is this correct ?...
...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi eg...
Like I said before , I do not know much about these days coming , but from what I am understanding , the temple will be built because that is where the false prophet , antichrist will have his image and proclaim that he is God , after 3 half years of bringing false peace , he will be out with his army to destroy Jerusalem , is this correct ?...
...xox...

Yes, And according to Jesus in Matt 24, It is when we see this event that we know immediately following will be a great tribulation such as the world has never seen,

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yes, And according to Jesus in Matt 24, It is when we see this event that we know immediately following will be a great tribulation such as the world has never seen,

Yes , that is my understanding also...
...xox...

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

I haven't read this thread carefully, but my position would be that Jesus himself recognized the Temple of his time as his Father's house.

And, that Jesus himself is the Temple that all material temples pointed toward. He is the place where God's glory dwelt per John 1 and 2.

He is the Place where mankind goes to, for reconciliation of their sins.

And, if anyone rebuilds a material temple, it is an abomination and idolatrous because He is the real Temple.

Also, I don't go along with this dispensationalist bullcrap that claims such a temple will be built and utilized during the Millennium for offerings. It comes from a literalistic hermeneutic that I don't share.

What do I mean by "literalism"? Dispensationalists will automatically claim that you are allegorizing Scripture, and therefore don't understand the Bible. It is obvious that the Bible employs types and shadows, and those that deny this are simply uneducated.

Types point toward realities. And the Temple points to toward the reality of Jesus and his People.

Do I think some Jews might build a Temple so they can practice idolatrous worship? Yes..could happen. Do I think that such a Temple will be used during the Millennium? Absolutely not. Basically what many dispensationalists are promoting is that the Mosaic Law will be observed during the Millennium, and this is baloney and even blasphemous. Jesus' sacrifice is complete.

If they claim that these sacrifices will be memorials, then I will ask, where do you find that in the Prophets? In fact, what it says is that these are sin offerings. What happened to your literal hermeneutic? When does the phrase "sin offerings" become memorials?

Dispensationalists are very inconsistent like that

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I haven't read this thread carefully, but my position would be that Jesus himself recognized the Temple of his time as his Father's house.

And, that Jesus himself is the Temple that all material temples pointed toward. He is the place where God's glory dwelt per John 1 and 2.

He is the Place where mankind goes to, for reconciliation of their sins.

And, if anyone rebuilds a material temple, it is an abomination and idolatrous because He is the real Temple.

Also, I don't go along with this dispensationalist bullcrap that claims such a temple will be built and utilized during the Millennium for offerings. It comes from a literalistic hermeneutic that I don't share.

What do I mean by "literalism"? Dispensationalists will automatically claim that you are allegorizing Scripture, and therefore don't understand the Bible. It is obvious that the Bible employs types and shadows, and those that deny this are simply uneducated.

Types point toward realities. And the Temple points to toward the reality of Jesus and his People.

Do I think some Jews might build a Temple so they can practice idolatrous worship? Yes..could happen. Do I think that such a Temple will be used during the Millennium? Absolutely not. Basically what many dispensationalists are promoting is that the Mosaic Law will be observed during the Millennium, and this is baloney and even blasphemous. Jesus' sacrifice is complete.

If they claim that these sacrifices will be memorials, then I will ask, where do you find that in the Prophets? In fact, what it says is that these are sin offerings. What happened to your literal hermeneutic? When does the phrase "sin offerings" become memorials?

Dispensationalists are very inconsistent like that

what I gather from this post. is what I seem to always gather from your posts when you enter room or open threads to attack people you do not agree with

You do not understand what dispensationals actually teach and believe

I would suggest you go study and learn what people believe, instead of going all over christian chat and attacking things you do not understand, but then again, if you want, You just expose the reality of who you are. Which is why I hardly ever respond to anything you say

This is my last post to you in this thread..

 

[massorite]

Daniel 12.

There is a 31/2 year period during which this false covenant and the building of the temple in which CHRIST is delayed 21 days and the only one who helps Him, is Michael, the prince of Danielś people... (this is in line to Thesselonians _ HE who holds all things back, is taken out of the way)... (that sir, this 21 day period tranlates to the first part of a 3 year period.)...after that, we are told, blessed the man who waits 1335 days...thatś another 3.6 years sir

Finally a pre-tribber who is willing to quote scripture in an attempt to back up what they say.
So you haven't quoted any scripture that proves there will be 7 years of tribulation or 7 years of the Wrath of God. So where is your proof. Where are the scriptures that speak of a seven year period of Tribulation??? As I told you before there are no scriptures that you can quote to prove there will be 7 years of tribulation.
Whatever the reason the number 3 1/2 is a very significant number as it is mentioned several time and in several different ways.
A time and times and dividing of times,
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3 1/2 years.
A time, times and half of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. Again 3 1/2 years. How does the antichrist scatter the power of the Holy People?? The antichrist will scatter our ability to function in this world by persecuting us with great persecutions. He will make war against Christaindom and he will be allowed to make was against the saints by God.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Who are the Holy people?? We are the Holy people. God now see's us through the shed blood of Christ and therefore God see's the Holiness and righteous of Christ when He looks upon us. We are the saints spoken of in Rev 13:7.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Again 3 1/2 years, The women in Rev. 12:14 is Israel who will be protected from the antichrist for three and on half years.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And again 1260 days is 3 1/2 years, a score is 20.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The women is Israel and the man child in Rev 12:5 is Christ.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. We Are the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Another time we see in Rev 11:2 42 months which is 3 1/2 years
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Same here in Rev 13:5, 42 months is 3 1/2 years
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. We are the saints who will still be here on earth when the antichrist makes war against us.
There is no scripture written anywhere in the Bible that says there will be a pre tribulation resurrection/rapture or 7 years of tribulation or the wrath of God. But there is plenty of scripture which I have just quoted for you that proves that something extraordinary happens at the 3 1/2 years mark.
We will suffer through 3 1/2 years of tribulation by the hand of the antichrist and then an event that is so significant will happen and will cause 30 minutes of silence in heaven.
Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
The angels have been singing praises to God in heaven for an eternity and one single event causes them to stop praising God for 30 minutes..
The 3 1/2 years mark is when the Grace of God will leave the earth and the Wrath of God will fill the void left behind when Grace was removed from the earth. There is not going to be any second chance to be saved if you are left behind to suffer the Wrath of God. And there is not one single scripture that proves the idea being left behind and being saved after the resurrection takes place.
Haven't never been able to figure out the extra 21 days you mentioned. Perhaps you can show me some verifiable evidence of your explanation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Finally a pre-tribber who is willing to quote scripture in an attempt to back up what they say.
So you haven't quoted any scripture that proves there will be 7 years of tribulation or 7 years of the Wrath of God. So where is your proof. Where are the scriptures that speak of a seven year period of Tribulation??? As I told you before there are no scriptures that you can quote to prove there will be 7 years of tribulation.
Whatever the reason the number 3 1/2 is a very significant number as it is mentioned several time and in several different ways.
A time and times and dividing of times,
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3 1/2 years.
A time, times and half of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. Again 3 1/2 years. How does the antichrist scatter the power of the Holy People?? The antichrist will scatter our ability to function in this world by persecuting us with great persecutions. He will make war against Christaindom and he will be allowed to make was against the saints by God.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Who are the Holy people?? We are the Holy people. God now see's us through the shed blood of Christ and therefore God see's the Holiness and righteous of Christ when He looks upon us. We are the saints spoken of in Rev 13:7.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Again 3 1/2 years, The women in Rev. 12:14 is Israel who will be protected from the antichrist for three and on half years.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And again 1260 days is 3 1/2 years, a score is 20.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The women is Israel and the man child in Rev 12:5 is Christ.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. We Are the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Another time we see in Rev 11:2 42 months which is 3 1/2 years
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Same here in Rev 13:5, 42 months is 3 1/2 years
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. We are the saints who will still be here on earth when the antichrist makes war against us.
There is no scripture written anywhere in the Bible that says there will be a pre tribulation resurrection/rapture or 7 years of tribulation or the wrath of God. But there is plenty of scripture which I have just quoted for you that proves that something extraordinary happens at the 3 1/2 years mark.
We will suffer through 3 1/2 years of tribulation by the hand of the antichrist and then an event that is so significant will happen and will cause 30 minutes of silence in heaven.
Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
The angels have been singing praises to God in heaven for an eternity and one single event causes them to stop praising God for 30 minutes..
The 3 1/2 years mark is when the Grace of God will leave the earth and the Wrath of God will fill the void left behind when Grace was removed from the earth. There is not going to be any second chance to be saved if you are left behind to suffer the Wrath of God. And there is not one single scripture that proves the idea being left behind and being saved after the resurrection takes place.
Haven't never been able to figure out the extra 21 days you mentioned. Perhaps you can show me some verifiable evidence of your explanation.

there is no 7 year trib, there is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel. THEN there shall be great tribulation. It will continue until this period of great tribulation is put to an end, when Christ comes down personally on the earth and destroys the final gentile kingdom as spoken of in Dan 2 and 7 and other places

Pre-trib rapture people believe that the church is raptured before the 70th week of daniel takes place. While many call it the tribulation period. It is just a name given to the 7 years.. The first 3.5 years is said to be a time of peace. even pre-tribbers would agree with this

 

[massorite]

wow, wait a minute here. No one, I mean no one here is insisting or even suggesting that this is true.

Stand back a minute and try to see what we are really saying please.

Sounds like miknik5 has some hatred and disgust going on here toward the Jewish people who, saved or not are still the Apple of God's eye. miknik5 you need to check your heart because you should be having compassion for all non believing people and even more so for the Apple of Gods Eye.
Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
Your hatred is so strong that it caused you to imagine something was being discussed here that wasn't being talked about at all. Think about that for a minute.

 

[massorite]

for the record

1. A temple does not NEED to be built to restore salvation to anyone
2. According to the author of Hebrews. The sacrifice of bulls and goats has NEVER taken away sin, so no temple in any age has been used for forgiveness of sin
3. The temple IS mentioned in future prophecy. It is not only seen, it is defiled, and it is part of prophecy. So when we get excited that the temple can be built soon, and we may witness the fulfillment of prophecy. people should join us in celebration. not attack us as preaching a false gospel.

bearing false witness against others is a sin. Lets repent and move on please

I agree. The greatest reason for joy over a new temple on the temple mount in the nears future would because it will be a sign that Christ will soon return.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The antichrist most have a temple to sit in before he can sit in the temple of God and show himself that he is God.
We should also always have joy about any prophecy of God being fulfilled because its after all the Word of God in motion.

 

[cv5]

Yes, And according to Jesus in Matt 24, It is when we see this event that we know immediately following will be a great tribulation such as the world has never seen,

The "we" you refer to cannot be the Church. We have been Raptured before then......before the man of sin is revealed, which occurs when he makes a treaty with Israel (the rider of the first white horse Rev 6). This event also begins the 70th week of Daniel. The act opening of the seals (the starting of God's wrath) and the start of the 70th week are one and the same.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The "we" you refer to cannot be the Church. We have been Raptured before then......before the man of sin is revealed, which occurs when he makes a treaty with Israel (the rider of the first white horse Rev 6). This event also begins the 70th week of Daniel. The act opening of the seals (the starting of God's wrath) and the start of the 70th week are one and the same.

the first 3.5 years is a time of peace. So peaceful. Israel is using their temple in war torn jerusalem and no one is against them.

The rest of the world must be living in some sort of peace also. As the antichrist has used peace and safety to gain control of the nations.

The tribulation, or time of Gods wrath, would occure after the abomination of desolation in Dan 9

 

[miknik5]

wow, wait a minute here. No one, I mean no one here is insisting or even suggesting that this is true.

Stand back a minute and try to see what we are really saying please.

Please review VCOś response to me before suggesting that I am confused.