Not By Works

[EleventhHour]

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Your osas says you can stop believing and you are still saved.
Lt. mailmandan's osas says believers can't stop believing.
I've shown where the Bible makes it impossible to believe either one of these.

I find your doctrine especially loathsome.
(Not you, your doctrine. So don't get offended.)
At least his defends the necessity to have to continue to believe to be saved when Jesus comes back, and the necessity to live in holiness.

What I have continually stated is that our one belief in Jesus for salvation brings an enduring result as per the verbs meaning in Greek which you deny.

I really do not even know what you mean when you state "stop believing" since how does one deny what is a reality within
Belief in the biblical definition is not a cognitive assertion... when you understand what belief is in the classical biblical sense you would understand why your argument is a non-starter.

You misunderstand OSAS and that is why you find it loathsome.

 

[VCO]

MY RESPONSE>...

I WISH I COULD was to your suggestion that I KEEP THINGS SIMPLE...

How dare you misrepresent, and Eleventh hour as well, misrepresent and twist what I said to IMPLY that I DON'T BELIEVE ETERNAL SECURITY...


I do...and shame on you both for not being able to understand that MY FAITH is directed in and on CHRIST JESUS and HIS WORK alone...what I do is the result of THAT knee buckling, cut to the heart revelation of what HE DID FOR ME...

YET, again, you go on with SUSPICIONS, and I meant NOTHING BY IT. You have got to lose those evil suspicions, they will control your thoughts.

You use some Terminologies, that we are unfamiliar with, and we run into it a lot on this thread.

If you want to SEE HOW BAD DIFFERENCES in TERMINOLOGIES CAN GET. Mormons use the same TERMS as we do, BUT THEY MEAN SOMETHING WAS DIFFERENT than we do.

https://carm.org/mormonism/mormon-definitions

 

[VCO]

Bye bye everyone.

@eternally-gratefull
@Lightskin
@dcontroversal
@EleventhHour
@blue_ladybug
@mailmandan
@preacher4truth
@VCO
@posthuman
@tourist
@Laish

Just want to say I have enjoyed our chats and spending time with you.
For those of you I have not mentioned the same applies.

Take care, stay safe and keep standing firm to the truth. The true gospel of Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Bill

BILL, we want you to stay!

 

[EleventhHour]

BILL, we want you to stay!

I think he will come back around.. sometimes people need a break.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I think he will come back around.. sometimes people need a break.

I'm thinking of taking a break from this clown zoo myself..

 

[EleventhHour]

I'm thinking of taking a break from this clown zoo myself..

No you won't I will not allow it!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Will miss you too my dear brother.
You do my heart good.
I'm not logging out or asking for my account to be deleted.
It's just that I see no point in contributing here on this thread.
Nothing more that I can add to what has already been said.

Maybe we can check in as and when via PM.

I hear you, I left because they kept feeding the trolls, so Ed emailed me and showed me some new people where here so I came hoping. Could do some good, i hope i have, but not sure..I probably will not be here long myself

 

[EleventhHour]

I hear you, I left because they kept feeding the trolls, so Ed emailed me and showed me some new people where here so I came hoping. Could do some good, i hope i have, but not sure..I probably will not be here long myself

You aint going anywhere either!!

 

[Lightskin]

I’m back. Who wants to play?!!

 

[azamzimtoti]

I'm thinking of taking a break from this clown zoo myself..

Some of us have a bad cattitude.

 

[azamzimtoti]

I’m back. Who wants to play?!!

Here, fetch the ball

 

[Lightskin]

HI!

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

In this Age of GRACE, can you lose this faith also, that GOD gave?

God Bless...

I know you’re a champion of grace, but your post confuses me. What do you mean by saying, can you lose this grace also?

 

[EleventhHour]

That’s funny because I was thinking that about you. I can be very arrogant but have toned it down quite a bit through the years. I see that same level of arrogance in you now and hope you’ll come to tone it down as well.

Agree .. I think clear language helps avoid assumptions, however pointing someone to scripture as though they have not read not good either.

 

[Lightskin]

UNBELIEVABLE...UNBELIEVABLE....UNBELIEVABLE...

What’s unbelievable?

 

[Lightskin]

Here, fetch the ball

Spitting coffee everywhere! 😆

 

[Lightskin]

Agree .. I think clear language helps avoid assumptions, however pointing someone to scripture as though they have not read not good either.

There may be no greater arrogance than someone CONSTANTLY telling believers in Christ to read this and that. Like no one else ever read Scripture, let alone ascertained God’s wisdom from doing so. I told you I’m back!

 

[EleventhHour]

There may be no greater arrogance than someone CONSTANTLY telling believers in Christ to read this and that. Like no one else ever read Scripture, let alone ascertained God’s wisdom from doing so. I told you I’m back!

Yes .. right at the start of a conversation.. so agree!!
Thanks!

 

[dcontroversal]

Boy the self saving, salvation losing, self maintained faith Pharisees are out like a street organ player with a dancing monkey for coin hey!

 

[EleventhHour]

Boy the self saving, salvation losing, self maintained faith Pharisees are out like a street organ player with a dancing monkey for coin hey!

Been quite the time!!!

 

[VCO]

I hear you, I left because they kept feeding the trolls, so Ed emailed me and showed me some new people where here so I came hoping. Could do some good, i hope i have, but not sure..I probably will not be here long myself

I think we are in a TIME, that it is going to take us all OSAS Believes to earnestly contend for the TRUTH. Have you not seen the BATTLE HEATING UP. I absolutely have a feeling that this battle against non-OSAS crowd, will go on until the LORD sends the Archangel to Call His Bride Out, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.