This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?
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I will also state, that the truth lies somewhere outside of either extreme and no one is limited to choosing a side
let calmer minds prevail
like this for example:
kool aid anyone? smh
gee
do you suppose that is what happened to the democrats?
(putting on flak jacket and helmet now and going to have lunch)
let calmer minds prevail
like this for example:
kool aid anyone? smh
gee
do you suppose that is what happened to the democrats?
(putting on flak jacket and helmet now and going to have lunch)
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gee
do you suppose that is what happened to the democrats?
do you suppose that is what happened to the democrats?
IMO the psycho-chemical infiltration can be traced back to here:
with decaffeinated coffee.
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not just democrats. i mean, one of the things 'the communist deep state round earth lizard people immigrant cabal' want, is for the USA to be politically fractured between two, and only two, opposing parties. this keeps us busy with partisan in-fighting while they quietly replace the denim in our blue jeans with agnosticism-inducing elastic. republicans are just as much 'asleep' & 'poisoned'
IMO the psycho-chemical infiltration can be traced back to here:
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with decaffeinated coffee.
IMO the psycho-chemical infiltration can be traced back to here:
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with decaffeinated coffee.
just having a little fun
I am so up to here with all the virulent virus speech
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i'm really getting upset with whoever it is that keeps making you gals touch your faces
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they are being irresponsibly unloving! at a time like this! the nerve, the very nerve!
this isn't the time to exasperate each other
wish you well
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they are being irresponsibly unloving! at a time like this! the nerve, the very nerve!
this isn't the time to exasperate each other
wish you well
reminds me, saw a really funny meme the other day...person had an e collar on like dogs get when they have an operation
dog is sitting by them
dog says something like: 'it's for you own good. you shouldn't touch your face
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i'm highly suspicious of all politics. i think it's all worldly.
if it was the D's that Christians tend to get sold out to, they would be the ones i would pick at more.
that's really all it is with me - i just have this perception that the R's are the particular wolves that pander to us, so i snap at them reflexively
if it was the D's that Christians tend to get sold out to, they would be the ones i would pick at more.
that's really all it is with me - i just have this perception that the R's are the particular wolves that pander to us, so i snap at them reflexively
My own attitudes are evolving....early on, when this started with the reporting out of China I was paying attention. Given that the symptoms were similar to flu, and that in the worst outcomes the virus attacked the lungs requiring ventilation, again like flu....with both being contagious (covid more so though because of a lack of antibodies or a vaccine.....the most logical comparison for me was....obviously the flu.
I looked at the deaths being reported out of China, the number of deaths only because everyone knows that the case number is just the tip of the iceberg.....the numbers being reported, were 2 or 3 thousand....okay.....Is that bad? I then checked the number of people who die in the United States from the flu every year...quickly learned that it can vary widely....roughly speaking between 20K to 60K. That lines up with what Health Canada says for my own country (population 38 million) of 500 to 1,500 depending on the year.
So a couple or three thousand in a country of 1.4 billion didn't seem that scary.....even if they were under reporting it would have to be massive in terms of understating the outbreak for it to reach the kind of numbers the US and Canada see with just regular flu in a year.....
Then we started being locked down....I wasn't scared by the numbers because I already had my benchmarks. I quickly learned that Italy had 24,980 deaths from the flu during the 2016/2017 flu season....as I understand it a flu season fluctuates between 22 to 27 weeks.
Italy is now over 17,000 deaths as per worldmeters....and the overall trend from March 27th is downward, hopefully that continues. The numbers started being reported on Feb 15th with the first death on Feb 21st as per that site....so we're about 7 weeks in with Italy. Will the death toll get to the same level as the 2016/2017 flu season? I figure there's a good chance.....the telling statistic in my mind is what happens 5 or 6 days from now. Two weeks after that March 27 high water mark....will numbers fall sharply?
If the numbers end up being less than 30K, then to me.....if this was warranted now, would it be warranted during any bad flu season?
I looked at the deaths being reported out of China, the number of deaths only because everyone knows that the case number is just the tip of the iceberg.....the numbers being reported, were 2 or 3 thousand....okay.....Is that bad? I then checked the number of people who die in the United States from the flu every year...quickly learned that it can vary widely....roughly speaking between 20K to 60K. That lines up with what Health Canada says for my own country (population 38 million) of 500 to 1,500 depending on the year.
So a couple or three thousand in a country of 1.4 billion didn't seem that scary.....even if they were under reporting it would have to be massive in terms of understating the outbreak for it to reach the kind of numbers the US and Canada see with just regular flu in a year.....
Then we started being locked down....I wasn't scared by the numbers because I already had my benchmarks. I quickly learned that Italy had 24,980 deaths from the flu during the 2016/2017 flu season....as I understand it a flu season fluctuates between 22 to 27 weeks.
Italy is now over 17,000 deaths as per worldmeters....and the overall trend from March 27th is downward, hopefully that continues. The numbers started being reported on Feb 15th with the first death on Feb 21st as per that site....so we're about 7 weeks in with Italy. Will the death toll get to the same level as the 2016/2017 flu season? I figure there's a good chance.....the telling statistic in my mind is what happens 5 or 6 days from now. Two weeks after that March 27 high water mark....will numbers fall sharply?
If the numbers end up being less than 30K, then to me.....if this was warranted now, would it be warranted during any bad flu season?
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Good to be open minded....Just to repeat myself once again
The concern is that the regular flu has treatments and is known thing, most do not require ventilation and if they do only for a few days. The regular flu is over several months. The regular does not incubate for 10 days.
I pray they fall sharply I pray for a treatment or we are really in trouble.. soon as we start moving around it will start up again .. the will use the tracking devices on our phones.
So yes troubling.
The concern is that the regular flu has treatments and is known thing, most do not require ventilation and if they do only for a few days. The regular flu is over several months. The regular does not incubate for 10 days.
I pray they fall sharply I pray for a treatment or we are really in trouble.. soon as we start moving around it will start up again .. the will use the tracking devices on our phones.
So yes troubling.
We know for a fact the Bill Gates plan is real and he is only one player of the forces the swamp is up to their eyeballs in.
You tube has cleansed the site of anyone with eyes open.
Three "slips" and your channel is shut down.
About one fourth of my subscriptions are gone.
Only about a third of my subscriptions appear in a rythm.
When I type in a known video,IT IS ONE PAGE BACK, I wade through all the "similar titles" from msm,even though I typed in the exact title I was hunting.
You tube has cleansed the site of anyone with eyes open.
Three "slips" and your channel is shut down.
About one fourth of my subscriptions are gone.
Only about a third of my subscriptions appear in a rythm.
When I type in a known video,IT IS ONE PAGE BACK, I wade through all the "similar titles" from msm,even though I typed in the exact title I was hunting.
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no one is defending...who is the you guys?
I type in Bible verses and basically point to God because our focus is supposed to be on His ominipotence
not on the ants scurrying around trying to bring about a one world order
oh yes. very very booom booom right there
sorry, but the plan of making faces like this
is not going to help anyone and especially not the person making themhow is it if someone posts something happy or positive they get slapped on the wrist and told it's all over?
boom boom
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I would think The Voice of God device accomplishes that already. Maybe not though. I'm positing my own theory there.
One might try to invoke a protection by claiming to be a Christian Scientist. I don't know if that would work. I just know that JW does.
I remember those reports. I remember the young man that shot up the lobby of his public school too. He brought in a huge black duffel bag full of semi-automatic long guns and pistols, with lots of ammunition and clips. When he was reloading a clip is when a student and football player tackled him against the wall. He'd known this boy for many a year. When asked, what the ***** are you doing? The football player friend said he didn't even recognize that friend he'd pinned against the wall. And his eyes were blank as the boy answered, I have no idea.
Police investigating the case said they didn't know where the kid got all those guns because his parents didn't own any. And of course the boy was too young to make the purchases.
There was a large outbreak of school shootings back then. Someone who use to track Doppler radar weather from their home posted that during these school shootings they noticed the life feed radar images would adjust the satellite tracking. Circles would start to appear on the broad national map the man had installed to track weather. Turned out, and why he posted about this, when he printed the map and tracked those circles locations they had appeared over those states and towns/cities, where the school shootings happened.
I found that fascinating back then. Then I learned about the Voice of God technology and figured it could be a two fold experiment. To see how effective the transmission was on people targeted. And, to make one more reason for banning guns.
One might try to invoke a protection by claiming to be a Christian Scientist. I don't know if that would work. I just know that JW does.
I remember those reports. I remember the young man that shot up the lobby of his public school too. He brought in a huge black duffel bag full of semi-automatic long guns and pistols, with lots of ammunition and clips. When he was reloading a clip is when a student and football player tackled him against the wall. He'd known this boy for many a year. When asked, what the ***** are you doing? The football player friend said he didn't even recognize that friend he'd pinned against the wall. And his eyes were blank as the boy answered, I have no idea.
Police investigating the case said they didn't know where the kid got all those guns because his parents didn't own any. And of course the boy was too young to make the purchases.
There was a large outbreak of school shootings back then. Someone who use to track Doppler radar weather from their home posted that during these school shootings they noticed the life feed radar images would adjust the satellite tracking. Circles would start to appear on the broad national map the man had installed to track weather. Turned out, and why he posted about this, when he printed the map and tracked those circles locations they had appeared over those states and towns/cities, where the school shootings happened.
I found that fascinating back then. Then I learned about the Voice of God technology and figured it could be a two fold experiment. To see how effective the transmission was on people targeted. And, to make one more reason for banning guns.
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I covered those points pretty much in the post you responded to....with the exception that you say about flu cases"most do not require ventilation, and if they do only for a few days". I have no experience in that area....when nearly 25,000 Italians died during the 2016/2017 flu season I have no idea how many had to go on a ventilator....1%, 10% 50%.....no idea. If you can link something that would be awesome.
As for the incubation period....around 5 days prior to symptoms, and 14 days even afterwards......I don't know how in the names of Saints Peter and Paul this thing can be stopped.
I don't know what the situation is like in the United States, but I can't imagine its much different from my own native Ontario Canada.
I have an aunt, a healthy wonderful woman of 86 or so years of age....she is a peach and I adore her, of my mother's siblings she is most like my Mom who passed away almost 15 years ago. My Mom stipulated 'no heroic measures'.....she went to her reward with peace, grace and dignity. This earthly life we all have is finite....life on this plane has a mortality rate of 100%.
But getting back to my Aunt and how, in my opinion, it is going to be nigh on impossible to stop this thing. My aunt lives in a senior living center, in the independent living wing....its like being an apartment. After that comes assisted living for people who need some help and it progresses from there to the palliative care wing.
What we're seeing in Ontario is that when the Coronavirus gets into a place like this....its like a tornado. In one facility in northern Ontario the fatality rate among residents is probably now up around 50%. I just checked, 28 deaths in a facility with 65 beds....so far. Global is a mainstream Canadian news outlet: https://globalnews.ca/news/6787645/coronavirus-bobcaygeon-nursing-home-death-toll-28/
But how do you stop it??? All the workers who come in, the cooks and the cleaners, nurses, PSWs and doctors.....maintenance people....you can't lock them down, they're essential. And all of them are going out shopping, to gas stations and drug stores. Then you have a company like Amazon, their workers are complaining that they're still working in close confines with others because of the nature of the job....and there isn't enough PPE to go around.
Will they be able to stop it from getting into my Aunt's building? I don't see how, its only a matter of time with or without lock down measures. Sure we're shuttering a lot of small businesses, but the grocery stores and pharmacies as well as all the businesses that supply them are still operating....I have'n't seen reporting on it, but its probably only 20 or 30% of the workforce that isn't out there working because very few workplaces are an island....there is so much interdependence......telephone and hydro techs have to keep communications and the grid operating or all the work now being done virtually would stop.
I could go on.....but my big worry is for the (my best guess) 20 or 30% of people who aren't out there.....how much death and destruction will these lock downs have on them? And back to my aunt....maybe I could have her move in with me, but I'm still working because I'm essential....I'm the only one going out for food and medications and for my job. What do I do? Have my wife/son/aunt isolate themselves in a room of the house and pass them meals solitary confinement style through a slot or on a double door type tray??? What kind of life is that for an 86 year old who doesn't have many more years of this life left?
Coming up on 18,000 dead now in Italy.....how high will it go? Nobody knows. Its trending lower now and hopefully that continues....the NYC dept of health studied the first 1,600 deaths in that city and found only 24 of them were people who did NOT have an underlying health issue...the median age was 75. I'm watching Sweden closely, as expected it looks like their numbers are spiking high and fast, as should be expected. We shall see if the outbreak is over and done with much faster there, and in the end whether the overall mortality is better, worse or about the same when all is said and done.
Keep well....
As for the incubation period....around 5 days prior to symptoms, and 14 days even afterwards......I don't know how in the names of Saints Peter and Paul this thing can be stopped.
I don't know what the situation is like in the United States, but I can't imagine its much different from my own native Ontario Canada.
I have an aunt, a healthy wonderful woman of 86 or so years of age....she is a peach and I adore her, of my mother's siblings she is most like my Mom who passed away almost 15 years ago. My Mom stipulated 'no heroic measures'.....she went to her reward with peace, grace and dignity. This earthly life we all have is finite....life on this plane has a mortality rate of 100%.
But getting back to my Aunt and how, in my opinion, it is going to be nigh on impossible to stop this thing. My aunt lives in a senior living center, in the independent living wing....its like being an apartment. After that comes assisted living for people who need some help and it progresses from there to the palliative care wing.
What we're seeing in Ontario is that when the Coronavirus gets into a place like this....its like a tornado. In one facility in northern Ontario the fatality rate among residents is probably now up around 50%. I just checked, 28 deaths in a facility with 65 beds....so far. Global is a mainstream Canadian news outlet: https://globalnews.ca/news/6787645/coronavirus-bobcaygeon-nursing-home-death-toll-28/
But how do you stop it??? All the workers who come in, the cooks and the cleaners, nurses, PSWs and doctors.....maintenance people....you can't lock them down, they're essential. And all of them are going out shopping, to gas stations and drug stores. Then you have a company like Amazon, their workers are complaining that they're still working in close confines with others because of the nature of the job....and there isn't enough PPE to go around.
Will they be able to stop it from getting into my Aunt's building? I don't see how, its only a matter of time with or without lock down measures. Sure we're shuttering a lot of small businesses, but the grocery stores and pharmacies as well as all the businesses that supply them are still operating....I have'n't seen reporting on it, but its probably only 20 or 30% of the workforce that isn't out there working because very few workplaces are an island....there is so much interdependence......telephone and hydro techs have to keep communications and the grid operating or all the work now being done virtually would stop.
I could go on.....but my big worry is for the (my best guess) 20 or 30% of people who aren't out there.....how much death and destruction will these lock downs have on them? And back to my aunt....maybe I could have her move in with me, but I'm still working because I'm essential....I'm the only one going out for food and medications and for my job. What do I do? Have my wife/son/aunt isolate themselves in a room of the house and pass them meals solitary confinement style through a slot or on a double door type tray??? What kind of life is that for an 86 year old who doesn't have many more years of this life left?
Coming up on 18,000 dead now in Italy.....how high will it go? Nobody knows. Its trending lower now and hopefully that continues....the NYC dept of health studied the first 1,600 deaths in that city and found only 24 of them were people who did NOT have an underlying health issue...the median age was 75. I'm watching Sweden closely, as expected it looks like their numbers are spiking high and fast, as should be expected. We shall see if the outbreak is over and done with much faster there, and in the end whether the overall mortality is better, worse or about the same when all is said and done.
Keep well....
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I think in part it is following the Hermann Goering formula today as did 9-11 in 2001.
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
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