DID GOD FORSAKE HIS SON?

[watchman333]

Of course not, but there will be thousands of sermons given around the world this week claiming He did forsake His Son. What is the truth, the Biblical truth? It is written in the book of Hebrews 13:5, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. That is the Lord's promise to us; does it make any sense that He would not extend that promise to His only begotten Son?

While it is true that our Beloved had to die a miserable death for us to have salvation, it is not true that our Heavenly Father forsook Him. And many Christians are saying, "Wait a minute, the Lord said those words on the cross Himself, I read it in Matthew 27:46." "He said, 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Yes, He did say those words, but we, as believers upon Him, need to understand WHY He said those words. There is a good reason; our Lord was identifying Himself as our Messiah, teaching us, and fulfilling prophecy.

Go to Psalm 22, the crucifixion psalm, and read the 1st sentence of the 1st verse. It says, My GOD, My GOD, why hast Thou forsaken Me? That psalm was written by the Holy Spirit, through David, approximately 1,000 years earlier. Our Lord, while He was dying on the cross, was directing us to read that psalm, His crucifixion psalm. And the first thing we should realize is that our Lord Jesus, while addressing GOD directly, never called Him GOD; He always called Him Father.

If I might, I would like to suggest that everyone read the crucifixion psalm this Passover week. In the 8th verse you will see the Pharisees surrounding Him, saying, He trusted on the LORD that He would deliver Him: Let Him deliver Him, seeing He delighted in Him. In the 14th verse we can read of His agony: I am poured out like water, and all My bones are out of joint. In verse 16 we read, They pierced My hands and My feet, and in verse 18 we see the Roman soldiers gambling for His garments: They part My garments among them, and cast lots upon My vesture.

In the last verse we read His instructions to this generation: They shall come, and shall declare His righteousness unto a People that shall be born, that He hath done this. Put another way, It is finished. The point of this post is for all Christians to understand what was really going on when our Beloved spoke certain things while being crucified. He was teaching us Who He was, and fulfilling prophecy. Our Father would never forsake Him.

 

[notuptome]

It is better translated what as opposed to why. For a brief instant Jehovah God turned His back to His Son. Jesus became sin for us. Jesus had all our sin laid on Him. Jehovah looked away because of our sin. The Father was pleased and now Jesus is glorified together with Him in heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Nehemiah6]

Of course not, but there will be thousands of sermons given around the world this week claiming He did forsake His Son.

That should have said "of course". So you are the one in error. Christ said what He meant, and meant what He said. Both in Hebrew (prophetically) and in Aramaic (in reality). So obvious you are totally off-base.

So how does one who claims to be a Watchman wander off into the wilderness of false doctrine?

 

[Didymous]

For a brief instant Jehovah God turned His back to His Son.

Do you have scripture to support this? No.

 

[garee]

I don't think that he turned his back .He gave the Son opportune time to cry out by reasoning of his suffering, the drinking of the wrath , Crying out in his anxieties suffering unto death (not dead) , the father sent messages of strength, strengthening him three times to show.. he heard the cry . . and together they finished the one work of salvation . Three denoting the end of a matter .

 

[notuptome]

Do you have scripture to support this? No.

What is time to God? You do know that God occupies all of eternity all the time. God occupies eternity past and eternity future all the time. In an instant Christ paid the eternal penalty for sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[azamzimtoti]

Yes, that's why He said:

(Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?)

To understand the reason one needs to understand why:

(Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.)

 

[Blade]

"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

I don't think we fully understand what it cost Him. Not like God writes "sin" and then a touch of the pen "SIN". There done! The strips the nails.. thats all of this world. There is past, present and future. He had to died alone with all the sin of the world. With all the punishment of every one on Him. Makes you think huh... look at all the stuff we talk about... sin healing gifts virus.. on and on. So many times we wonder about this GOD. He left heaven.. became what HE created. Then took all the punishment we so rightly deserve upon Himself NO ONE asked Him to do it. And we wonder in times of trouble .. does He loves us? Does He know who we are? WOW huh.

Made my self cry lol .. praise GOD glory to Jesus

For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

 

[Didymous]

What is time to God? You do know that God occupies all of eternity all the time. God occupies eternity past and eternity future all the time. In an instant Christ paid the eternal penalty for sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No scripture? I didn't think so.

 

[biker]

Ultimately, if God as we understand is Triune, means the ONE God in three entities can literally never be separated. For if we do unto one we do unto them all because it goes against God as a Whole Being. And I believe, since John tells us from the viewpoint of Jesus that the Father dwelled inside Him the entire time, when the Father departed because Christ (the flesh) being full of sin (the cup) was about to literally understand Death from personal experience. I believe without the Father dwelling from within, death was an awakening to Christ.

I think like we as humans think on the verge of death, is us being let down. Even if we embrace it by knowing to die is to be immediately with Him, I do not believe it's what we ultimately desire to happen.

 

[notuptome]

No scripture? I didn't think so.

Hab 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Didymous]

Hab 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Is that the only verse you could find? Psalms 14 & 57.

 

[Didymous]

Is that the only verse you could find? Psalms 14 & 57.

Also, God allowed the author to voice his opinion, and he contradicts himself in the same verse.

 

[MattforJesus]

Of course not, but there will be thousands of sermons given around the world this week claiming He did forsake His Son. What is the truth, the Biblical truth? It is written in the book of Hebrews 13:5, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. That is the Lord's promise to us; does it make any sense that He would not extend that promise to His only begotten Son?

While it is true that our Beloved had to die a miserable death for us to have salvation, it is not true that our Heavenly Father forsook Him. And many Christians are saying, "Wait a minute, the Lord said those words on the cross Himself, I read it in Matthew 27:46." "He said, 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Yes, He did say those words, but we, as believers upon Him, need to understand WHY He said those words. There is a good reason; our Lord was identifying Himself as our Messiah, teaching us, and fulfilling prophecy.

Go to Psalm 22, the crucifixion psalm, and read the 1st sentence of the 1st verse. It says, My GOD, My GOD, why hast Thou forsaken Me? That psalm was written by the Holy Spirit, through David, approximately 1,000 years earlier. Our Lord, while He was dying on the cross, was directing us to read that psalm, His crucifixion psalm. And the first thing we should realize is that our Lord Jesus, while addressing GOD directly, never called Him GOD; He always called Him Father.

If I might, I would like to suggest that everyone read the crucifixion psalm this Passover week. In the 8th verse you will see the Pharisees surrounding Him, saying, He trusted on the LORD that He would deliver Him: Let Him deliver Him, seeing He delighted in Him. In the 14th verse we can read of His agony: I am poured out like water, and all My bones are out of joint. In verse 16 we read, They pierced My hands and My feet, and in verse 18 we see the Roman soldiers gambling for His garments: They part My garments among them, and cast lots upon My vesture.

In the last verse we read His instructions to this generation: They shall come, and shall declare His righteousness unto a People that shall be born, that He hath done this. Put another way, It is finished. The point of this post is for all Christians to understand what was really going on when our Beloved spoke certain things while being crucified. He was teaching us Who He was, and fulfilling prophecy. Our Father would never forsake Him.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh which makes the man Christ Jesus sinless.

The image of God is an innocent nature in flesh, and Jesus is in the express image of God, the exact image so Jesus did not have the possibility to sin like a saint can sin and repent and keep being led of the Spirit.

Which He could be tempted but He could not sin for He was always led of the Spirit nothing wavering.

The throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Because Jesus is sinless and could not sin then there was no reason for the Father to forsake Him.

And Jesus taking away the sins of the world, and laying down those sins is no reason for the Father to forsake Him for they were not Jesus' sins but the sins of the world.

If Jesus said He will never leave or forsake the saints how much more would the Father not leave or forsake Jesus who is sinless.

Jesus is sinless at all times whether on the cross taking away the sins of the world and laying them down, or visiting the lower parts of the earth and conquering hell.

There is no reason for the Father to ever forsake Jesus, and turn His back on Him.

Luk_23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

The Father never forsook His Son so why did Jesus say my God, my God, why have you forsaken Me.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And when Jesus said this He is speaking according to His humanity, for He told Mary, my God, and your God, and my Father, and your Father.

Jesus knew He had to go to the cross and give us His human body as a sacrifice to take away our sins, so He would not say God why did you forsake me for not getting me out of the cross and being crucified.

Jesus always felt the presence of the Holy Spirit throughout His entire life with the peace, love, and joy, and comfort of the Spirit, and there was not a moment that He did not feel that.

Except maybe at the cross for a brief time, for it could of been because Jesus was taking away the sins of the world that He felt what it was like to be separated from God, and did not feel the Spirit for a brief period, and said my God why have you forsaken me by the way He felt, but He knew that the Father did not actually forsake Him.

For then Jesus said Father in to thy hands I commend my spirit, small s for His human spirit for all spirits go back to God regardless of how the person acted on earth, for the spirit is not part of anybody in the afterlife only on earth.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Also, God allowed the author to voice his opinion, and he contradicts himself in the same verse.

God NEVER contradicts Himself. It is human beings who fail to understand God. Since you are asking for Scripture, kindly read and study Isaiah 53 and many other passages, including Psalm 22.

Th Hebrew and Aramaic words which have been translated as *forsaken* literally mean forsaken.

PSALM 22:1
לַ֭מְנַצֵּחַ עַל־אַיֶּ֥לֶת הַשַּׁ֗חַר מִזְמֹ֥ור לְדָוִֽד׃ אֵלִ֣י אֵ֭לִי לָמָ֣ה *עֲזַבְתָּ֑נִי רָחֹ֥וק מִֽ֝ישׁוּעָתִ֗י דִּבְרֵ֥י שַׁאֲגָתִֽי׃

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken* (Heb azabtani, Aramaic sabachthani) me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Strong's Concordance
azab: self
Original Word: עָזַב
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: azab
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-zab')
Definition: to leave, forsake, loose

Brown-Driver-Briggs
I. עָזַב213 verb leave, forsake, loose

And the Lamb of God who was made SIN for us was literally forsaken by the Father during those three dark hours on the cross, when God's wrath against sin was poured out on the holy soul of Christ.

 

[Didymous]

God NEVER contradicts Himself. It is human beings who fail to understand God. Since you are asking for Scripture, kindly read and study Isaiah 53 and many other passages, including Psalm 22.

Th Hebrew and Aramaic words which have been translated as *forsaken* literally mean forsaken.

PSALM 22:1
לַ֭מְנַצֵּחַ עַל־אַיֶּ֥לֶת הַשַּׁ֗חַר מִזְמֹ֥ור לְדָוִֽד׃ אֵלִ֣י אֵ֭לִי לָמָ֣ה *עֲזַבְתָּ֑נִי רָחֹ֥וק מִֽ֝ישׁוּעָתִ֗י דִּבְרֵ֥י שַׁאֲגָתִֽי׃

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken* (Heb azabtani, Aramaic sabachthani) me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Strong's Concordance
azab: self
Original Word: עָזַב
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: azab
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-zab')
Definition: to leave, forsake, loose

Brown-Driver-Briggs
I. עָזַב213 verb leave, forsake, loose

And the Lamb of God who was made SIN for us was literally forsaken by the Father during those three dark hours on the cross, when God's wrath against sin was poured out on the holy soul of Christ.

Habbakuk wasn't God, and God clearly allowed people to make mistakes in the bible. You've provided no more evidence for your assertion than the OP did.

 

[biker]

Habbakuk wasn't God, and God clearly allowed people to make mistakes in the bible. You've provided no more evidence for your assertion than the OP did.

Just curious here, but are you claiming Jesus was not actually forsaken because He knew, as the WORD going into this plan of Salvation, that He would also fulfill "ALL" prophesy connected to the Messiah, including death?

If so, I can see your point of view.
If not, why be such a pain to those you are challenging?

 

[Blain]

God di not forsake Jesus, yes Jesus quoted David but let me ask this exactly how often does the bible ever explain itself at point blank? Is there not almost always more than one meaning reason or purpose for every verse written? If we take his words at point blank then yes it is obvious God forsook him but there is a reason we cannot read the bible in literal terms all the time.

Jesus often times would recite things written in the Torah to the jews to show that what he said and did was in fact prophecied so that one with understranding would know he is who he said he is. Jesus quoted David because it was to David that a savior would be born from his blood line and David who prophecied in his psalms exactly how the savoir would be tgreated. The Jews knew the Torah so hearing Jesus say this was a oh yeah moment to the Jews hence one of the gaurds who tortured him saying truly this man was the son of God.

True God did look away but this is not the same thing as forsaking. To forsake on someone is give up on them completely to never again have any concer for them or over them they are literally non existent but what happened three days later? Jesus rose from the dead and at the end of acts was seated on the right hand of God himself. Does that sound like something a forsaken son would experience?

 

[Didymous]

True God did look away

Scripture to prove this?

 

[Didymous]

Just curious here, but are you claiming Jesus was not actually forsaken because He knew, as the WORD going into this plan of Salvation, that He would also fulfill "ALL" prophesy connected to the Messiah, including death?

If so, I can see your point of view.
If not, why be such a pain to those you are challenging?

Why do you people always always think someone's being a pain if they dare to disagree with you?