Not By Works
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EleventhHour
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I know whatever I write will not change your mind.
But is very clear that Jesus is not referencing anyone loosing their salvation in verse 12... He is describing what people will be like at that time.
You are basically stating that endurance makes us worthy of salvation... that is wrong and completely contrary to the efficacy of the cross to save a believer to the uttermost despite our failures.
Again adding to scripture.... this is called eisegesis
Delay, obfuscate, distract, ANYTHING but answer. Wondering if cowardice is a presumptive sin!?
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EleventhHour
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Add another one to the list.It’s a two way street. I’ve heard people on the NOSAS side say that OSAS is of the devil and accuse OSAS believers of promoting a license to sin and being blinded by the god of this world and being ignorant and stubborn and not understanding the depth of wickedness they dwell in.
That judgment call is well above your pay grade and was uncalled for. You just condemned ALL OSAS believers, which is very telling.
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EleventhHour
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Choosing not to answer a fool according to his folly is not cowardice, it's common sense, pal.
Hmm.... Guess we should have NO rules here at all? Would it be ok to throw F-bombs and threaten people too?
Cause you obviously think calling some a child of the devil is just fine.
Can I borrow it for a bit? LOL
I knew this avatar was going to come in handy!!
You are spreading a LIE, about OSAS TRUE FAITH. We Teach OBEDIENCE, as BEING PART OF AGAPE LOVE. It is not part of SALVATION. That Obedience is something that happens AFTER WE ARE SAVED. SALVATION HAPPENS before the beginning of time, as GOD's OMNISCIENCE is even includes knowledge that KNOWS EVERY DECISION YOU WILL MAKE IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, therefore HE WROTE OUR NAMES in the BOOK OF LIFE Before the Foundation of the Earth. HE gave the free gift to us Spiritually before the Beginning of Time, and the WE receive IT in our Human Spirit the very moment we FIRST GENUINELY BELIEVE, Trusting HIM TOTALLY AS LORD, and it is when we were first Born Again Spiritually. AND INSTANTLY OUR NEW BORN HUMAN SPIRIT HAS ETERNAL LIFE. SALVATION ONLY APPLIES TO OUR HUMAN SPIRIT. SANCTIFICATION is a SEPARATE EVENT, and IT APPLIES TO OUR BODY separate from SALVATION. It is a Process where the AGAPE LOVE, that GOD POURED INTO the OUR HUMAN SPIRIT, Rom. 5:5; and it WILL come out of us in our DEEDS, of Agape LOVING GOD, and Others. OBEDIENCE is Part of AGAPE LOVE, and it will influence our SANCTIFICATION.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
We believe that verse LITERALLY.
So now you should see that LIE, you have been spreading is NOTHING BUT A LIE!
What does GOD THINK of People Who Spread LIES ? ? ? IT IS BAD FRUIT, and IS NOT FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, listed in GAL. 5:22-23.
And I doubt if you have ever TRULY Been Born Again.
JESUS SAID, "By their FRUIT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM."
Your confusion of SOUND DOCTRINE, seems to verify that this verse applies to you:
1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Hello? How are You? Are you alright? Please pick up that telephone!
You'll be alright. No need to fear answering friend!
IOWs you maintain your salvation by working for God’s unmerited grace.
Dude, you are a colossal piece of work. You have been REPEATEDLY attacking me personally as a coward - do you know how insulting that is to a 6', 255 lb. 100% red blood American MALE and Veteran of a Foreign War?
PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE PROHIBITED.
The reason I didn't report you is that when people act like you, I just figure the best thing to do is pray that God opens their eyes to their unChristlikeness, not go running to the mods to ban them like some Special Snowflake tree hugging lefist.