Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123

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justahumanbeing said:
I feel that just because you're Christian alone or you call yourself one isn't going to be enough to enter heaven.
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Yep, base on matt 25, 1 cor 13, john 15, just say I am Christian not guaranty to heaven, but the Bible demand the fruit or pure love

love.
justahumanbeing said:
In an ideal and perfect world that would be true. There is no perfect world out there. There are no perfect human beings. Sure, I believe that because I know Jesus, my salvation is through His name.
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Just like Jesus say a branch can not bear fruit of it self, we aren't able to produce love like what Jesus want to by ourself.

The only way to do that is when Jesus in our heart

Than we able to produce real love, not us but Jesus in us produce that love through us

The quality of love that Jesus want is super, to the point it is impossible

For example love your enemy etc

Stephen did, he pray for his killer, not because he is super but because Jesus in Him produce that love through him
 
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To be more precise, I believe people go to heaven not because they claim to be Christians or
Roughsoul1991 said:
Instead of implying then I'll just ask you a fourth question. Do you believe all religions lead to Heaven?
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I get your question. No I don't think so. Religions can be politically used to tune up the masses is what I feel. They can be used for a lot of things. More bad than good. All religions. In any country. Any and all religions. I'm not much for being a religionist. It's a lot of oppression and judgement passed onto us human beings by each other and it's where humanity stands divided. Of course I was raised in a Christian home. I love Jesus. I am protected by Him. That I won't deny. But who am I to say someone else is destined to go to hell or heaven? Even if I can, I don't want to dwell in those thoughts and live my life thinking along those lines.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Instead of implying then I'll just ask you a fourth question. Do you believe all religions lead to Heaven?
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Catholic believe Islam lead to heaven

Lumen gentium II/16

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But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham,

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justahumanbeing said:
To be more precise, I believe people go to heaven not because they claim to be Christians or

I get your question. No I don't think so. Religions can be politically used to tune up the masses is what I feel. They can be used for a lot of things. More bad than good. All religions. In any country. Any and all religions. I'm not much for being a religionist. It's a lot of oppression and judgement passed onto us human beings by each other and it's where humanity stands divided. Of course I was raised in a Christian home. I love Jesus. I am protected by Him. That I won't deny. But who am I to say someone else is destined to go to hell or heaven? Even if I can, I don't want to dwell in those thoughts and live my life thinking along those lines.
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You dont have to say who goes to Heaven or hell. Jesus tells you he is the only way. Simple.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Catholic believe Islam lead to heaven

Lumen gentium II/16

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But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham,

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Universalist?
 
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Jackson123 said:
But the teaching to exclude teaching that not consistent to the principle teaching of jesus is in the Bible
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Following that method, then, a person who honestly believes that the book of Romans, for example, is not consistent with the teaching of Jesus would remove the book of Romans from their Bible.

Am I understanding what you're saying?
 
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Jackson123 said:
Catholic believe Islam lead to heaven

Lumen gentium II/16

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But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham,

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Have you read the entire Lumen gentium?
 
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I would ask why would anyone? The spirit of Lumen gentium is known by looking at the scripture.They have another book of authority other than as it is written. Sola scriptura is the reforming authority that they make to no effect with their book of the the law of men Simply ask any catholic why Mary received the fullness of grace while everyone else receives a unknown remnant as, in no faith ?
 
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garee said:
I would ask why would anyone?
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If someone wants to summarize a document, would you agree that it's a good idea that they read the entire document?
 
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Say, garee, my man,

Has God told you personally which documents are scripture and which ones are not?
 
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Dan_473 said:
Following that method, then, a person who honestly believes that the book of Romans, for example, is not consistent with the teaching of Jesus would remove the book of Romans from their Bible.

Am I understanding what you're saying?
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Salvation is individual basis, no body able to force other believe book of Romans, if any body doesn't believe that is his problem, so does with apocrypha, if some people do not believe, it is they problem
 
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Jackson123 said:
Salvation is individual basis, no body able to force other believe book of Romans, if any body doesn't believe that is his problem, so does with apocrypha, if some people do not believe, it is they problem
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Is this the idea that you are putting forward?
Go with scripture only, Sola scriptura, and decide for yourself what is scripture?
 
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Late to the thread and I apologize if some of these points have been covered but the primary difference between Catholicism and protestantism is not an adherence to the Bible but the view of whether there is an authoritative reading to the Bible. Catholics argue that the historic reading of a text is the correct one, whereas protestants argue that the church has at some point departed and so does not have authoritative readings. Protestants value the opinions of Luther as defining what the gospel is and then filter their interpretation of the Bible through that lens. Both the Catholics and the protestants owe an undue amount of their theology to a particular translational choice that led Augustine to form a peculiar reading of Romans 5 that is foundational to the totality of both of their soteriology. Protestants speak of "sola scriptura" a cry that began with a man who had such respect for Biblical authority that he deemed himself fit to consign 18 books to an appendix purely on his own opinion, 7 of which the protestants now accuse catholics and orthodox of "adding".
 
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Dan_473 said:
Is this the idea that you are putting forward?
Go with scripture only, Sola scriptura, and decide for yourself what is scripture?
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I myself agree with sola scriptura modern Protestant version. But if anybody not agree, that is his problem, even if one don't believe Bible at all, it is their problem, salvation is not by force.

God has power to force every body to believe in Him, but He come politely, offer salvation to whosoever believe.
 
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Jackson123 said:
I myself agree with sola scriptura modern Protestant version. But if anybody not agree, that is his problem, even if one don't believe Bible at all, it is their problem, salvation is not by force.

God has power to force every body to believe in Him, but He come politely, offer salvation to whosoever believe.
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Do you mean the modern Protestant version of the scriptures?
 
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Jackson123 said:
Yep, if I find out that a version of scripture being edit than I will test the best I can.
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The issue with "sola scriptura" is not that we shouldn't look to the Bible as our authority for doctrine, it's that even defining what the Bible is requires looking to the historic authority of the church. There's no escaping tradition, it's just a matter of what tradition you fall into. The Bible does not present itself interpreted in a pretty little box, either and reading it for yourself without some structural support from those who have come before is bound to lead to misinterpretations especially if you can't read it in the original languages to see where theology has driven translation(which happens more than translators would care to admit).
 
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