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"Often we must earnestly pray for acceptance of things we can't change.
And, we must learn to change the things we can change. Perseverance, I have
learned shall be essential in our daily lives. Merely dwelling on difficulties,
often magnifies circumstances that may be attended to with simple common sense.
We all have daily challenges to attend to, accordingly.
( thought from 'this side of the glass' )
'Praise God'
And, we must learn to change the things we can change. Perseverance, I have
learned shall be essential in our daily lives. Merely dwelling on difficulties,
often magnifies circumstances that may be attended to with simple common sense.
We all have daily challenges to attend to, accordingly.
( thought from 'this side of the glass' )
'Praise God'
Know the feeling but distancing is basically all u can do
Then distance as far as possible and find a way to get ur own place
First, no bad feelings. Seriously, there's no condemnation for wanting abusive behavior to stop. The fact that it's a family member makes it even worse and not permissible.
Next (in case you do this) is to stop racking your brain why are they doing it because you will never find a logical explanation to justify them and make sense. There is no justification, they do so because they choose to. Just putting this out there.
Don't waste your energy in fights, say yes you're right to everything even when they say mental things.
Preserve your sense of sanity, treat them like psychiatrist treats a mental patient.
Focus on studying and working hard so your future is not compromised or sabotaged.
Move out as soon as you reasonably can without wrecking your future, and then also control and limit contact, do not let them reign in your independent life. Draw firm boundaries.
Surround yourself with supportive people who understand what you're going through.
Pray for them but do not have expectations that they will change. It's really to heal and uplift you.
You're honoring them by non enabling and non encouraging them when they are toxic, but instead actively working on preserving the abused person - you - out of their grasp. You're honoring them in the best way they allowed you.
Been through this with my mother. I know it isn't easy. But it will pass. Focus on your future.
Next (in case you do this) is to stop racking your brain why are they doing it because you will never find a logical explanation to justify them and make sense. There is no justification, they do so because they choose to. Just putting this out there.
Don't waste your energy in fights, say yes you're right to everything even when they say mental things.
Preserve your sense of sanity, treat them like psychiatrist treats a mental patient.
Focus on studying and working hard so your future is not compromised or sabotaged.
Move out as soon as you reasonably can without wrecking your future, and then also control and limit contact, do not let them reign in your independent life. Draw firm boundaries.
Surround yourself with supportive people who understand what you're going through.
Pray for them but do not have expectations that they will change. It's really to heal and uplift you.
You're honoring them by non enabling and non encouraging them when they are toxic, but instead actively working on preserving the abused person - you - out of their grasp. You're honoring them in the best way they allowed you.
Been through this with my mother. I know it isn't easy. But it will pass. Focus on your future.
Owwww, thank you thank you.
I needed hear this.
Bless you.
Yes yes. I've been missing school when we could go on campus, and been deferring tests and assignments.
I'm drained
Sigh sigh.
But I'm trying my best. Taking it day by day. God knows.
How are you doing now?
I needed hear this.
Bless you.
Yes yes. I've been missing school when we could go on campus, and been deferring tests and assignments.
I'm drained
Sigh sigh.
But I'm trying my best. Taking it day by day. God knows.
How are you doing now?
It took some time but all the negative words gradually washed away, through Jesus once I allowed it. I had to think of myself in third person for a while at first to allow me to receive some grace and love because I was brainwashed that I was worthless, waste of oxygen, a disappointment, etc. It just all seemed normal to me because that's all I've ever known but there's a different life out there and now it looks so strange when I look back that this was my world. Like being haunted through a dark forest then coming out into daylight and you realize the world is a lot bigger and you are free.
You're not alone.
Focus on your school and work, and you will do good. It looks endless now but there's light at the end of the tunnel. Satan knows he has but a short time. In the meantime always focus on what Jesus says about you not what they say about you.
You're not alone.
Focus on your school and work, and you will do good. It looks endless now but there's light at the end of the tunnel. Satan knows he has but a short time. In the meantime always focus on what Jesus says about you not what they say about you.
Provide more info.
Is it parents or siblings?
Are you under 18? If so are you often required to be in contact with them?
If over 18 are you living with them?
If so are you able to move out?
What kind of toxic behavior?
You asked a big question but gave little to work with.
Jonah was quite toxic to the people around him and they threw him out the boat. May take some pointers lol
Oh no. Funny tho.
I'll jump out the boat rather and swim to a near by island of Peace
Yessss sooo true.
It is huge transition with how I see the world and myself.
Thank you so much.
Sorry about that. Really my mum and gran. I'm older than 18.
Narcissistic behaviour.
Codependency is characterized by a person belonging to a dysfunctional, one-sided relationship where one person relies on the other for meeting nearly all of their emotional and self-esteem needs. It also describes a relationship that enables another person to maintain their irresponsible, addictive, or underachieving behavior.
The following is a list of symptoms of codependency and being in a codependent relationship.
You don’t need to have them all to qualify as codependent.
Low self-esteem.
Feeling that you’re not good enough or comparing yourself to others are signs of low self-esteem. The tricky thing about self-esteem is that some people think highly of themselves, but it’s only a disguise — they actually feel unlovable or inadequate. Underneath, usually hidden from consciousness, are feelings of shame. Guilt and perfectionism often go along with low self-esteem. If everything is perfect, you don’t feel bad about yourself.
People-pleasing.
It’s fine to want to please someone you care about, but codependents usually don’t think they have a choice. Saying “No” causes them anxiety. Some codependents have a hard time saying “No” to anyone. They go out of their way and sacrifice their own needs to accommodate other people.
Poor boundaries.
Boundaries are sort of an imaginary line between you and others. It divides up what’s yours and somebody else’s, and that applies not only to your body, money, and belongings, but also to your feelings, thoughts and needs. That’s especially where codependents get into trouble. They have blurry or weak boundaries. They feel responsible for other people’s feelings and problems or blame their own on someone else.
Some codependents have rigid boundaries. They are closed off and withdrawn, making it hard for other people to get close to them. Sometimes, people flip back and forth between having weak boundaries and having rigid ones.
Reactivity.
A consequence of poor boundaries is that you react to everyone’s thoughts and feelings. If someone says something you disagree with, you either believe it or become defensive. You absorb their words, because there’s no boundary. With a boundary, you’d realize it was just their opinion and not a reflection of you and not feel threatened by disagreements.
Caretaking.
Another effect of poor boundaries is that if someone else has a problem, you want to help them to the point that you give up yourself. It’s natural to feel empathy and sympathy for someone, but codependents start putting other people ahead of themselves. In fact, they need to help and might feel rejected if another person doesn’t want help. Moreover, they keep trying to help and fix the other person, even when that person clearly isn’t taking their advice.
Control.
Control helps codependents feel safe and secure. Everyone needs some control over events in their life. You wouldn’t want to live in constant uncertainty and chaos, but for codependents, control limits their ability to take risks and share their feelings. Sometimes they have an addiction that either helps them loosen up, like alcoholism, or helps them hold their feelings down, like workaholism, so that they don’t feel out of control. Codependents also need to control those close to them, because they need other people to behave in a certain way to feel okay. In fact, people-pleasing and care-taking can be used to control and manipulate people. Alternatively, codependents are bossy and tell you what you should or shouldn’t do. This is a violation of someone else’s boundary.
Dysfunctional communication.
Codependents have trouble when it comes to communicating their thoughts, feelings and needs. Of course, if you don’t know what you think, feel or need, this becomes a problem. Other times, you know, but you won’t own up to your truth. You’re afraid to be truthful, because you don’t want to upset someone else. Instead of saying, “I don’t like that,” you might pretend that it’s okay or tell someone what to do. Communication becomes dishonest and confusing when you try to manipulate the other person out of fear.
Obsessions.
Codependents have a tendency to spend their time thinking about other people or relationships. This is caused by their dependency and anxieties and fears. They can also become obsessed when they think they’ve made or might make a “mistake.” Sometimes you can lapse into fantasy about how you’d like things to be or about someone you love as a way to avoid the pain of the present. This is one way to stay in denial, discussed below, but it keeps you from living your life.
Dependency.
Codependents need other people to like them to feel okay about themselves. They’re afraid of being rejected or abandoned, even if they can function on their own. Others need always to be in a relationship, because they feel depressed or lonely when they’re by themselves for too long. This trait makes it hard for them to end a relationship, even when the relationship is painful or abusive. They end up feeling trapped.
Denial.
One of the problems people face in getting help for codependency is that they’re in denial about it, meaning that they don’t face their problem. Usually they think the problem is someone else or the situation. They either keep complaining or trying to fix the other person, or go from one relationship or job to another and never own up the fact that they have a problem. Codependents also deny their feelings and needs. Often, they don’t know what they’re feeling and are instead focused on what others are feeling. The same thing goes for their needs. They pay attention to other people’s needs and not their own. They might be in denial of their need for space and autonomy. Although some codependents seem needy, others act like they’re self-sufficient when it comes to needing help. They won’t reach out and have trouble receiving. They are in denial of their vulnerability and need for love and intimacy.
Problems with intimacy.
By this I’m not referring to sex, although sexual dysfunction often is a reflection of an intimacy problem. I’m talking about being open and close with someone in an intimate relationship. Because of the shame and weak boundaries, you might fear that you’ll be judged, rejected, or left. On the other hand, you may fear being smothered in a relationship and losing your autonomy. You might deny your need for closeness and feel that your partner wants too much of your time; your partner complains that you’re unavailable, but he or she is denying his or her need for separateness.
Painful emotions.
Codependency creates stress and leads to painful emotions. Shame and low self-esteem create anxiety and fear about being judged, rejected or abandoned; making mistakes; being a failure; feeling trapped by being close or being alone. The other symptoms lead to feelings of anger and resentment, depression, hopelessness, and despair. When the feelings are too much, you can feel numb. Source
The following is a list of symptoms of codependency and being in a codependent relationship.
You don’t need to have them all to qualify as codependent.
Low self-esteem.
Feeling that you’re not good enough or comparing yourself to others are signs of low self-esteem. The tricky thing about self-esteem is that some people think highly of themselves, but it’s only a disguise — they actually feel unlovable or inadequate. Underneath, usually hidden from consciousness, are feelings of shame. Guilt and perfectionism often go along with low self-esteem. If everything is perfect, you don’t feel bad about yourself.
People-pleasing.
It’s fine to want to please someone you care about, but codependents usually don’t think they have a choice. Saying “No” causes them anxiety. Some codependents have a hard time saying “No” to anyone. They go out of their way and sacrifice their own needs to accommodate other people.
Poor boundaries.
Boundaries are sort of an imaginary line between you and others. It divides up what’s yours and somebody else’s, and that applies not only to your body, money, and belongings, but also to your feelings, thoughts and needs. That’s especially where codependents get into trouble. They have blurry or weak boundaries. They feel responsible for other people’s feelings and problems or blame their own on someone else.
Some codependents have rigid boundaries. They are closed off and withdrawn, making it hard for other people to get close to them. Sometimes, people flip back and forth between having weak boundaries and having rigid ones.
Reactivity.
A consequence of poor boundaries is that you react to everyone’s thoughts and feelings. If someone says something you disagree with, you either believe it or become defensive. You absorb their words, because there’s no boundary. With a boundary, you’d realize it was just their opinion and not a reflection of you and not feel threatened by disagreements.
Caretaking.
Another effect of poor boundaries is that if someone else has a problem, you want to help them to the point that you give up yourself. It’s natural to feel empathy and sympathy for someone, but codependents start putting other people ahead of themselves. In fact, they need to help and might feel rejected if another person doesn’t want help. Moreover, they keep trying to help and fix the other person, even when that person clearly isn’t taking their advice.
Control.
Control helps codependents feel safe and secure. Everyone needs some control over events in their life. You wouldn’t want to live in constant uncertainty and chaos, but for codependents, control limits their ability to take risks and share their feelings. Sometimes they have an addiction that either helps them loosen up, like alcoholism, or helps them hold their feelings down, like workaholism, so that they don’t feel out of control. Codependents also need to control those close to them, because they need other people to behave in a certain way to feel okay. In fact, people-pleasing and care-taking can be used to control and manipulate people. Alternatively, codependents are bossy and tell you what you should or shouldn’t do. This is a violation of someone else’s boundary.
Dysfunctional communication.
Codependents have trouble when it comes to communicating their thoughts, feelings and needs. Of course, if you don’t know what you think, feel or need, this becomes a problem. Other times, you know, but you won’t own up to your truth. You’re afraid to be truthful, because you don’t want to upset someone else. Instead of saying, “I don’t like that,” you might pretend that it’s okay or tell someone what to do. Communication becomes dishonest and confusing when you try to manipulate the other person out of fear.
Obsessions.
Codependents have a tendency to spend their time thinking about other people or relationships. This is caused by their dependency and anxieties and fears. They can also become obsessed when they think they’ve made or might make a “mistake.” Sometimes you can lapse into fantasy about how you’d like things to be or about someone you love as a way to avoid the pain of the present. This is one way to stay in denial, discussed below, but it keeps you from living your life.
Dependency.
Codependents need other people to like them to feel okay about themselves. They’re afraid of being rejected or abandoned, even if they can function on their own. Others need always to be in a relationship, because they feel depressed or lonely when they’re by themselves for too long. This trait makes it hard for them to end a relationship, even when the relationship is painful or abusive. They end up feeling trapped.
Denial.
One of the problems people face in getting help for codependency is that they’re in denial about it, meaning that they don’t face their problem. Usually they think the problem is someone else or the situation. They either keep complaining or trying to fix the other person, or go from one relationship or job to another and never own up the fact that they have a problem. Codependents also deny their feelings and needs. Often, they don’t know what they’re feeling and are instead focused on what others are feeling. The same thing goes for their needs. They pay attention to other people’s needs and not their own. They might be in denial of their need for space and autonomy. Although some codependents seem needy, others act like they’re self-sufficient when it comes to needing help. They won’t reach out and have trouble receiving. They are in denial of their vulnerability and need for love and intimacy.
Problems with intimacy.
By this I’m not referring to sex, although sexual dysfunction often is a reflection of an intimacy problem. I’m talking about being open and close with someone in an intimate relationship. Because of the shame and weak boundaries, you might fear that you’ll be judged, rejected, or left. On the other hand, you may fear being smothered in a relationship and losing your autonomy. You might deny your need for closeness and feel that your partner wants too much of your time; your partner complains that you’re unavailable, but he or she is denying his or her need for separateness.
Painful emotions.
Codependency creates stress and leads to painful emotions. Shame and low self-esteem create anxiety and fear about being judged, rejected or abandoned; making mistakes; being a failure; feeling trapped by being close or being alone. The other symptoms lead to feelings of anger and resentment, depression, hopelessness, and despair. When the feelings are too much, you can feel numb. Source