Catholicism vs Protestantism
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The issue that I see is that you are using the results of your test as part of the test.
I'll try to explain more.
The purpose of the method we've been discussing is to decide what books are scripture. And I'm assuming that the term "scripture" is synonymous with "in the Bible". So if in the process of deciding what is scripture we compare the book in question with what is scripture, then we first have to know what is scripture. We then find ourselves in an infinite loop.
Does that make sense?
I'll try to explain more.
The purpose of the method we've been discussing is to decide what books are scripture. And I'm assuming that the term "scripture" is synonymous with "in the Bible". So if in the process of deciding what is scripture we compare the book in question with what is scripture, then we first have to know what is scripture. We then find ourselves in an infinite loop.
Does that make sense?
If you follow our part of the conversation back through the thread, I had said
"...one of the things that I am saying is that it turns out that Protestants don't actually practice "scripture only". What Protestants actually practice is "scripture mostly"..."
What I meant is that virtually all Protestants have at least one doctrine which is not found in the scriptures.
So, what they actually practice is "scripture mostly".
"...one of the things that I am saying is that it turns out that Protestants don't actually practice "scripture only". What Protestants actually practice is "scripture mostly"..."
What I meant is that virtually all Protestants have at least one doctrine which is not found in the scriptures.
So, what they actually practice is "scripture mostly".
If someone refers to "Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop to counter Roman Catholicism, this is a pretty good sign that they are part of the ignorant Roman Catholic "apologists" who really haven't developed a good understanding of the differences between Roman Catholicism and evangelical Christianity.
And, you will find many Judaizers, such as the cult I came from, who use this book as their defense against Roman Catholicism.
Alexander Hislop claimed that every pagan religion descended from the worship of Nimrod, Semiramis and their child Tammuz, and Roman Catholicism was no different.
However, if Hislop's book is studied carefully, you would find that his logic is very weak indeed. For instance, Nimrod and Semiramis didn't even exist in the same century so they could not have been husband and wife. Additionally, his logic was horrible.
The logic would be something like this:
Bob wears a blue shirt and red pants.
Bill wears a blue shirt and blue pants.
Will wears a green shirt and blue pants.
Therefore, Will is Bob.
Of course we know that this is not true...Will is not Bob, just because they both share things in common with Bill.
That's the level of reasoning that Hislop used in his rabidly anti-Catholic rhetoric. Besides that, he misquoted sources to support his teaching in a blatantly dishonest manner. The authors of his referenced source documents didn't even say what he claimed they said.
There are all kinds of anti-Roman Catholic apologists who argue with RCs using similar sources.
Who settled it, and did they have the authority to settle it?
my understanding is that it has been settled at different times by different groups with differing results.
What I wish to achieve is to help people, at least those who are interested, to see that some of their negative views of Catholicism are based on personal biases.
That's the short answer!
But if you're not interested in continuing, that's fine. If that's the case, I will just say
Peace be with you!
my understanding is that it has been settled at different times by different groups with differing results.
What I wish to achieve is to help people, at least those who are interested, to see that some of their negative views of Catholicism are based on personal biases.
That's the short answer!
But if you're not interested in continuing, that's fine. If that's the case, I will just say
Peace be with you!
My brother, I strongly feel that Religion is just a road map from God for us to get to heaven. Not every Christian I met is an honest and exact copy of what a Christian should be like according to the Bible even. I Just feel that your religion should make you a better human being. A better Son or Daughter. A better Father or Mother. A better spouse. A better friend and human being. For me, there's no difference between a Catholic and a protestant. Who goes to heaven or hell, God decides, not man. Our actions and what we do on this earth decides where we will end up. Heaven or Hell. How we treat other human beings will decide where we go to after our lives end. What we do while we're alive will decide Heaven or Hell for us. Do we like the life that we live? Is it heaven or hell here for us? what we should be doing differently in our lives so that we can experience God in our lives everyday and we're closer to heaven? All this determines. If you cannot see God in other human beings, then you're not a Christian at all.
God does not judge people as Catholics and Protestants. He does not even judge us as Christians in the last day of judgement.
The Final Judgement
31 “When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, 32and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the righteous people on his right and the others on his left. 34Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world. 35I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes, 36naked and you clothed me; I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me.’
37 “The righteous will then answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? 38When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? 39When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ 40The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of these members of my family, you did it for me!’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! 42I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; 43I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’
44 “Then they will answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and would not help you?’ 45The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.’ 46These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life."
Matther Chapter 25: 31-46.
God does not judge people as Catholics and Protestants. He does not even judge us as Christians in the last day of judgement.
The Final Judgement
31 “When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, 32and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the righteous people on his right and the others on his left. 34Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world. 35I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes, 36naked and you clothed me; I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me.’
37 “The righteous will then answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? 38When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? 39When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ 40The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of these members of my family, you did it for me!’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! 42I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; 43I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’
44 “Then they will answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and would not help you?’ 45The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.’ 46These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life."
Matther Chapter 25: 31-46.
Yes, I did read the first sentence of your post,
It sounded to me like a very broad, general answer. I did not see the actual answer to my question in your response.
Rather, I gathered from the tone that you were tired of this discussion.
Which is fine. Again, we don't have to continue. It's up to you!
Sure! The Protestant doctrine that a particular 66 books are in the Bible is itself not n the Bible.
But that concept may be difficult to grasp.
An example that is easier to see is the common teaching that John the apostle wrote the book of Revelation. I don't believe this is stated in the scriptures.
But that concept may be difficult to grasp.
An example that is easier to see is the common teaching that John the apostle wrote the book of Revelation. I don't believe this is stated in the scriptures.
I think we have to read bible as a whole
In matt 25 Jesus talking about pure love, love the poor, and that is the manifestation.
But other part of the Bible say it is possible give the poor without love
1 Corinthian 13
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
The only true love happen when we abide to the vine
Jesus say in john 15
A branch can not bear fruit of itself. So the only way for human to bear the fruit is only if he invite Jesus, or abide in Him
And the fruit of Holy Spirit is love
In matt 25 Jesus talking about pure love, love the poor, and that is the manifestation.
But other part of the Bible say it is possible give the poor without love
1 Corinthian 13
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
The only true love happen when we abide to the vine
Jesus say in john 15
A branch can not bear fruit of itself. So the only way for human to bear the fruit is only if he invite Jesus, or abide in Him
And the fruit of Holy Spirit is love
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I feel that just because you're Christian alone or you call yourself one isn't going to be enough to enter heaven.
In an ideal and perfect world that would be true. There is no perfect world out there. There are no perfect human beings. Sure, I believe that because I know Jesus, my salvation is through His name.
In an ideal and perfect world that would be true. There is no perfect world out there. There are no perfect human beings. Sure, I believe that because I know Jesus, my salvation is through His name.