Is it a sin to drink alcohol
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A christian should share the truth and not there own view.
If you would be serious working out the theme alcohol in the bible, you should also refer the verses which encourage ore adwise to drink wine. You could not show one single vers which prohibitet an christian to drink alcohol. You gave only your view in.
That one reason people are against the word of God, because people make rules which the bible does not do.
Again, I share your meaning to avoid drinking alcohol. But you claim somerhing for truth, what not is.
If you would be serious working out the theme alcohol in the bible, you should also refer the verses which encourage ore adwise to drink wine. You could not show one single vers which prohibitet an christian to drink alcohol. You gave only your view in.
That one reason people are against the word of God, because people make rules which the bible does not do.
Again, I share your meaning to avoid drinking alcohol. But you claim somerhing for truth, what not is.
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I don't think Bible writer make the reader misunderstood they don't want the reader assuming.
If they want to say non alcoholic grape juice they will say so, if they say wine mean alcoholic
What the problem to say grape juice when they want non alcoholic.
Let me give you example
Numbers 6:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 they must abstain from wine and other fermented drink and must not drink vinegar made from wine or other fermented drink. They must not drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins.
This verse say they must not drink wine.........or grape juice
If wine = grape juice
Than the writer need only say not drink wine because you say wine can be grape juice.
If they want to say non alcoholic grape juice they will say so, if they say wine mean alcoholic
What the problem to say grape juice when they want non alcoholic.
Let me give you example
Numbers 6:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 they must abstain from wine and other fermented drink and must not drink vinegar made from wine or other fermented drink. They must not drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins.
This verse say they must not drink wine.........or grape juice
If wine = grape juice
Than the writer need only say not drink wine because you say wine can be grape juice.
Multiple words for the same item/thing.
This works the same for Hebrew and koine Greek also:
I have already demonstrated, by multiple witnesses, that 'grape' juice is called 'wine', 'new wine', 'fruit of the vine' and even 'pure blood of the grape' in scripture, and demonstrated the same by the Hebrew, Syriac and koine Greek, by providing those references.
Isa_43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
1Sa_9:9 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)
This works the same for Hebrew and koine Greek also:
1Sa 9:9 לפנים בישׂראל כה־אמר האישׁ בלכתו לדרושׁ אלהים לכו ונלכה עד־הראה כי לנביא היום יקרא לפנים הראה׃
1Sa 9:11 המה עלים במעלה העיר והמה מצאו נערות יצאות לשׁאב מים ויאמרו להן הישׁ בזה הראה׃
Mar 8:19 οτε τους πεντε αρτους εκλασα εις τους πεντακισχιλιους ποσους κοφινους πληρεις κλασματων ηρατε λεγουσιν αυτω δωδεκα
Mar 8:20 οτε δε τους επτα εις τους τετρακισχιλιους ποσων σπυριδων πληρωματα κλασματων ηρατε οι δε ειπον επτα
Joh 21:15 οτε ουν ηριστησαν λεγει τω σιμωνι πετρω ο ιησους σιμων ιωνα αγαπας με πλειον τουτων λεγει αυτω ναι κυριε συ οιδας οτι φιλω σε λεγει αυτω βοσκε τα αρνια μου
Joh 21:16 λεγει αυτω παλιν δευτερον σιμων ιωνα αγαπας με λεγει αυτω ναι κυριε συ οιδας οτι φιλω σε λεγει αυτω ποιμαινε τα προβατα μου
Joh 21:17 λεγει αυτω το τριτον σιμων ιωνα φιλεις με ελυπηθη ο πετρος οτι ειπεν αυτω το τριτον φιλεις με και ειπεν αυτω κυριε συ παντα οιδας συ γινωσκεις οτι φιλω σε λεγει αυτω ο ιησους βοσκε τα προβατα μου
I have already demonstrated, by multiple witnesses, that 'grape' juice is called 'wine', 'new wine', 'fruit of the vine' and even 'pure blood of the grape' in scripture, and demonstrated the same by the Hebrew, Syriac and koine Greek, by providing those references.
Proverbs 9,5 Come, eat of my bread and drink of the wine which I have mingeld.
Ecclesiastes 10,19: A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
1. Tim. 5,23: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine ofteninfirmitis.
Psalm 104,15: And wine that makes glad the heart of man, ......
Ecclesiastes 9,7: Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
Ecclesiastes 10,19: A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
1. Tim. 5,23: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine ofteninfirmitis.
Psalm 104,15: And wine that makes glad the heart of man, ......
Ecclesiastes 9,7: Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
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Wisdom (Christ Jesus, 1 Corinthians 1:24, given in submissive (feminine, see Matthew 23:37; Luke 13:34, etc)) is speaking by the Holy Ghost/Spirit:
The sanctuary ("house", "killed ... beasts", "pillars", "table", "bread", "drink of the wine", "the way" (Psalms 77:13; John 14:6)) is in view here (see also Psalms 23:5). The "table" of the LORD, upon which sat the shewbread and a cup, in which is the fruit of the vine (all unleavened, the "pure" table (Leviticus 24:6)). Therefore, be 'rebuked' by the word of God, and take off your 'beer goggles'. That which is 'mixed' into the juice of the grape ('wine') are the precious herbs (Song of Solomon 8:2), in spiritual matters, the doctrine of God mixed with mercy, the "cup of salvation" (Psalms 116:13), that which causes one to "live" and to have "understanding", that which is to "forsake the foolish", and thus is not the alcoholic cup of degredation and damnation and death, the cup of woe and sorrow, and forgetting. It is the wicked that shall drink, a drink that has no mercy (James 2:13; Revelation 14:10; Psalms 75:8).
The rest of the Proverbs 9 speaks of the "fear of the LORD", which is to keep His commandments, and alcohol, causes one to "forget" (Proverbs 31:7) God's commandments (Proverbs 31:5). Alcohol also "perverts" the judgment of the mind, and does not lead to "understanding".
Pro 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
Pro 9:2 She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table.
Pro 9:3 She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,
Pro 9:4 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,
Pro 9:5 Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.
Pro 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
Pro 9:7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
The sanctuary ("house", "killed ... beasts", "pillars", "table", "bread", "drink of the wine", "the way" (Psalms 77:13; John 14:6)) is in view here (see also Psalms 23:5). The "table" of the LORD, upon which sat the shewbread and a cup, in which is the fruit of the vine (all unleavened, the "pure" table (Leviticus 24:6)). Therefore, be 'rebuked' by the word of God, and take off your 'beer goggles'. That which is 'mixed' into the juice of the grape ('wine') are the precious herbs (Song of Solomon 8:2), in spiritual matters, the doctrine of God mixed with mercy, the "cup of salvation" (Psalms 116:13), that which causes one to "live" and to have "understanding", that which is to "forsake the foolish", and thus is not the alcoholic cup of degredation and damnation and death, the cup of woe and sorrow, and forgetting. It is the wicked that shall drink, a drink that has no mercy (James 2:13; Revelation 14:10; Psalms 75:8).
Rev_22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The rest of the Proverbs 9 speaks of the "fear of the LORD", which is to keep His commandments, and alcohol, causes one to "forget" (Proverbs 31:7) God's commandments (Proverbs 31:5). Alcohol also "perverts" the judgment of the mind, and does not lead to "understanding".
This verse is dualistic, in that both meanings (feast of the wedding, feasts of the LORD, juice of the grape (positive), and alcohol (negative), feast of the birds, feast of Belshazzar, etc) are present within it, when understood according to the varied texts, whether positive (Psalms 126:2; Job 8:21), or for negative (Ecclesiastes 7:6) understanding. In fact, Ecclesiastes 10 shows both sides therein positive (Ecclesiastes 10:17) and negative (Ecclesiastes 10:16).
Just as Nebuchadnezzar is both a type of the devil and Christ Jesus. There are other examples, like this, if you will consider them in your Bible.
Just as Nebuchadnezzar is both a type of the devil and Christ Jesus. There are other examples, like this, if you will consider them in your Bible.
Well your explaings proof nothing about what you claime. It is your personell view.
And not Gods view, about what he has createt. Finaly it is good that you are so strong against alcohol, but you should accept that it is your view, but not what the bible teaches.
To the OP question: No, It is no sin to drink alcohol!
Let us stop here with discussing. It makes no sense anymore and is vasting our time.
The Lord may bless you!
And not Gods view, about what he has createt. Finaly it is good that you are so strong against alcohol, but you should accept that it is your view, but not what the bible teaches.
To the OP question: No, It is no sin to drink alcohol!
Let us stop here with discussing. It makes no sense anymore and is vasting our time.
The Lord may bless you!
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Its been a while since I’ve seen this issue redebated. I think everyone should do some good search on the Hebrew & Koine relating to words “translated” as wine. They are rather specific and can easily relay the truth of the matter. Anything used for good, can be used for evil, even Scripture. Don’t twist the words of God for religious purposes.
I think it was Jesus who said that it was not what went into a man that made him defiled, but what proceeded out of his mouth.
I think it was Jesus who said that it was not what went into a man that made him defiled, but what proceeded out of his mouth.
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he who hates correction is stupid
(Proverbs 12:1)
Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.
(Proverbs 14:7)
do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink
(Colossians 2:16)
the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking
(Romans 14:7)
do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink
(Colossians 2:16)
the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking
(Romans 14:7)
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