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and remember , more people die each year from starvation, heart disease and the regular flu than this so called virus.
People who are already living fearful lives are easily led to be more afraid.
That Florida pastor who was arrested for holding church services was charged with reckless disregard of unlawful assembly and violation of public emergency rules.

The rules in place for this thing don't make sense. But this arrest of this Tampa pastor is a sign of just how far authorities are willing to go.
It is unlawful for a church to gather during this Coronavirus outbreak. And yet officers arrested him and took him to jail. He was released shortly after. No mention of bail in the reports I've read so far.
Sweden is open for business. Their government trusts their citizens to stay home if they feel sick. Not to be threatened if they don't stay home.

When Sweden trusts its people why is it America and particularly Florida doesn't think church people would stay home if they felt sick? This church has a website. Probably live feed for sermons too. So why would a pastor be arrested for reckless disregard of unlawful assembly, interesting choice of wording in the charge, and released?
To assemble again? Or to send a message.
 
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and, Boris Johnson and some of his staff pretended to have the virus and self isolated, along with Prince Charles. By some miracle after a few days they recovered, really? Here in Australia we now have draconian laws and the military roaming the streets looking for anyone who dares go outdoors for a walk or to sit in the park , in the sunshine. Thats how bad it has got here. There is no pandemic, the flu causes more deaths than this, this is satanic.
 
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Meaningless comments when you don't post any proof against what others say about the flu and that video.
I have been posting for two weeks on the epidemiology of this virus go search and find them.

A video that gives no specifics without independent corroboration or that can be doctored is meaningless....not proof of anything.
 

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Looking at the facts of this virus and how it spreads makes me slightly cringe. I see how it literally floods people all over the place and the effects it takes.
You are looking at the statistics. Look behind them. How do they know what they say they know? How are they testing for coronavirus? Why are the numbers of coronavirus cases going up with the number of tests? Could it not be that heaps of people have and already had coronavirus, but were not listed as such because they were not tested? I prefer always to err on the side of caution, as I believe all do who prefer freedom over security.

As a Christian to say we dont believe in diseases is paradox in itself because even the bible tells us they will come in the last days..not even gonna get into Revelation.
Of course there is disease. No one disputes that. To say that the cause of disease is something that has never been seen and proved (i.e. viruses) is another thing entirely, however. Bacteria can be seen with a microscope. Not so viruses. True science, and freedom, requires us to fully understand a matter before acting on it.

I dont get how people can be so straightup ignorant of facts. God made bacteria and viruses and all o dat. What in the world is wrong with so many conspiracy terrorists and ignorant people
Straw man logical fallacy.

as I like to say to those who think they have a grip on an alter reality:

remember that if and when it hits home

we are too used to seeing death on tv and in movies
Exactly. You can't tell the difference between TV and reality. So when you see a movie and they stamp it with the label "Mainstream media", you believe it to be true. I stopped watching TV long ago, so probably assess claims more critically. What will you say to me when our freedoms are gone, and the body count from this virus is negligibly more than those who would have died of old age anyway?
 
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I think it’s safe to say we have a real virus on our hands, people are getting sick worldwide, the death toll is high, authorities are doing what they can to prevent this from getting worse.

This is not the time for stretchy conspiracy theories.
 

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I think it’s safe to say we have a real virus on our hands, people are getting sick worldwide, the death toll is high, authorities are doing what they can to prevent this from getting worse.

This is not the time for stretchy conspiracy theories.
Prove it. Prove that the death toll, due to this virus, is any higher than any other virus, and that this virus is any different to the other viruses. You can't. And until you (and the governments) can, they should err on the side of caution, and preserve freedom, which is more important than life. Unless they have an ulterior motive, which they do, which is what we are saying, and which, although a conspiracy, is not a theory.
 
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Prove it. Prove that the death toll, due to the virus, is any higher than any other virus, and that this virus is any different to the other viruses. You can't. And until you (and the governments) can, they should err on the side of caution, and preserve freedom, which is more important than life. Unless they have an ulterior motive, which they do, which is what we are saying, and which is not a theory.
You’re asking me to prove things while you’re making statements not being backed up with evidence?

So, I should take your statements at face value, but you don’t take my statements at face value?
 

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You’re asking me to prove things while you’re making statements not being backed up with evidence?

So, I should take your statements at face value, but you don’t take my statements at face value?
You and your supporters - the Mainstream Media - are making the claim that this coronavirus is different from ordinary viruses, and that the death rate of this virus exceeds that of the common cold and the 'flu'. As you - and they - are the ones making the claim (in order to justify the draconian enslavement the governments of the world are putting in place), the burden of proof is on you - and they - to justify this claim. To prove it. They can't (and you can't), because they've only just started intensive testing for people with coronavirus. Truth be told, many of us has probably already had it, stayed in bed for a day, and gone back to work on the morrow.

It is not our job to disprove the lies of the mainstream media, the government, and their parrots. The burden of proof lies with he who is making the claim.
 
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You and your supporters - the Mainstream Media - are making the claim that this coronavirus is different from ordinary viruses, and that the death rate of this virus exceeds that of the common cold and the 'flu'. As you - and they - are the ones making the claim (in order to justify the draconian enslavement the governments of the world are putting in place), the burden of proof is on you - and they - to justify this claim. To prove it. They can't (and you can't), because they've only just started intensive testing for people with coronavirus. Truth be told, many of us has probably already had it, stayed in bed for a day, and gone back to work on the morrow.

It is not our job to disprove the lies of the mainstream media, the government, and their parrots. The burden of proof lies with he who is making the claim.
If you say so.
 

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You are looking at the statistics. Look behind them. How do they know what they say they know? How are they testing for coronavirus? Why are the numbers of coronavirus cases going up with the number of tests? Could it not be that heaps of people have and already had coronavirus, but were not listed as such because they were not tested? I prefer always to err on the side of caution, as I believe all do who prefer freedom over security.

Of course there is disease. No one disputes that. To say that the cause of disease is something that has never been seen and proved (i.e. viruses) is another thing entirely, however. Bacteria can be seen with a microscope. Not so viruses. True science, and freedom, requires us to fully understand a matter before acting on it.

Straw man logical fallacy.

Exactly. You can't tell the difference between TV and reality. So when you see a movie and they stamp it with the label "Mainstream media", you believe it to be true. I stopped watching TV long ago, so probably assess claims more critically. What will you say to me when our freedoms are gone, and the body count from this virus is negligibly more than those who would have died of old age anyway?
The virus is all over the area where I live and work and know people who have it. Its not just media that keeps me informed. Ita the fact that its at my doorstep and has a effect on my surroundings
 

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The virus is all over the area where I live and work and know people who have it. Its not just media that keeps me informed. Ita the fact that its at my doorstep and has a effect on my surroundings
I don't doubt. But has anyone died? And is it different to any other round of 'flu' you've experienced before? From your own experience, not the TV.
 
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You received a ribbon for you nonsense...... that is truly baffling.

This is not true. There is technology to view viruses and analyse their DNA
 

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I don't doubt. But has anyone died? And is it different to any other round of 'flu' you've experienced before? From your own experience, not the TV.
The son of a friend of mine is on the list waiting for a ventilator. He hardly felt sick ( like when you have a cold) it went better then a little worse..then he suddenly got much worse and has pneumonia on both sides. Hes young and healthy usually. He hasn't died but is struggling to breathe. The doctors said he should prepare his will just in case.
A flu makes u feel bad for a while and then u get better. This virus is sneaky. U take ur flu meds and all. U get better, it goes up and down and then by the time you know its getting serious your body on the inside looks worse than what you think.
Thats the problem. Its like your body fights but u dont really know until its gotten critical. While with a flu the symtoms tell u on time
 
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Prove it. Prove that the death toll, due to this virus, is any higher than any other virus, and that this virus is any different to the other viruses. You can't. And until you (and the governments) can, they should err on the side of caution, and preserve freedom, which is more important than life. Unless they have an ulterior motive, which they do, which is what we are saying, and which, although a conspiracy, is not a theory.
You have no proof of anything you state, and that is a fact.
 
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I think it’s safe to say we have a real virus on our hands, people are getting sick worldwide, the death toll is high, authorities are doing what they can to prevent this from getting worse.

This is not the time for stretchy conspiracy theories.
Epidemics and pandemics have happened all through history .. somehow now though is all make believe.

Oh and haven't you heard.......... every scientist, doctor, nurse, paramedic, hospital worker, nursing home worker etc., etc., are all on this big hoax!

Seriously some people need to step out of the conspiracy matrix
 
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What will you say to me when our freedoms are gone, and the body count from this virus is negligibly more than those who would have died of old age anyway?
It would be good if you could stick to the facts.

But then false narratives rarely have facts.
 
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Epidemics and pandemics have happened all through history .. somehow now though is all make believe.

Oh and haven't you heard.......... every scientist, doctor, nurse, paramedic, hospital worker, nursing home worker etc., etc., are all on this big hoax!

Seriously some people need to step out of the conspiracy matrix
From the Washington examiner:

"2019 where Chinese nationals tried to bring undeclared samples of bacteria and viruses, some of them potentially highly dangerous, into the U.S. All of the failed attempts were stopped by Customs and Border Protection at Detroit Metropolitan Airport."

And this:
"Last year’s FBI report said in September that a Chinese national was stopped after he “initially made no positive declarations, but was later found to have eight vials of clear liquid in their checked luggage.” The bureau noted that “the vials had no supporting documentation.” The Chinese national claimed that it was “DNA … derived from a low-pathogenicity strain of H9N2,” which was aflu-type virus that killed a small number in Asia. But some vials had “WSN” handwritten on top, an acronym for the H1N1 influenza virus commonly known as swine flu, whichkilled over 12,000 in the U.S. "
 
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Epidemics and pandemics have happened all through history .. somehow now though is all make believe.

Oh and haven't you heard.......... every scientist, doctor, nurse, paramedic, hospital worker, nursing home worker etc., etc., are all on this big hoax!

Seriously some people need to step out of the conspiracy matrix
Look the MSM fakes Most news EVERYDAY.
The virus exists.
The numbers and most everything about it is propaganda.

The deception being fed to America is real.
Talk about being in a fantasy land....you take those liars "facts" as gospel.
 
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Look the MSM fakes Most news EVERYDAY.
The virus exists.
The numbers and most everything about it is propaganda.

The deception being fed to America is real.
Talk about being in a fantasy land....you take those liars "facts" as gospel.
I do not watch MSM so I have no idea why people keep bringing this up to me.

The virus is real, it is not a seasonal flu bug..it is a SARS virus ... I have family in northern Italy some in the medical field and what has happened there is real.

Seriously you conspiracy ideas are way over the edge... it is important to know what you do not know.