Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!
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no you were not
you post that kind of mockery in every thread about the gifts of the Spirit and tongues in particular
as I have said a good many times in this forum, disagreement is one thing, but the mockery and disdain exemplified by certain cessationists brings to mind nasty children poking each other in the ribs with their elbows while laughing at what they think is some sort of trap
thing is, you have trapped yourselves and like Pharaoh, your heart is hardened further
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we don't drool and it is clear you do not know how to read the Biblical Contextually Because 1 cor 13: 8-10 has nothing to do with the Canon of scripture YOU interjected that into the chapter. The you pull some scripture from the old to again take out of context two verses in one chapter of all the New Testament. LOL it so sad and frankly unbiblical. You have demonstrated more babbling of Gods word than most Pentecostal you claim do. LOL.
They can't because, as you have stated, the age of signs and wonders have passed, since the Gospel of the Kingdom is no longer to be preached today. The nation Israel has rejected their Messiah.
Only after the rapture, when the Gospel of Kingdom will be restarted, then we can see signs and wonders.
Only after the rapture, when the Gospel of Kingdom will be restarted, then we can see signs and wonders.
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The word "apostle" simply means "sent one". Adding other meaning can destroy the author's intent making its original intent and use without effect.
The laying on of hands is a shadow of or tradition of prayer, like the folding of hands or bowing, or closing ones eyes. It is a outward sign or appeal of the inward work of the gospel. When Paul was moved by God and was given the words of God . "Stand upright on thy feet" it empowered him who never walked to leap and walk .A picture of the gospel the unseen power of God unto salvation..
The power of preaching is the gospel. . . not Paul or any man as if God was served by human hands.Those who did attribute the unseen work of the words of the Holy Spirit to the apostles made them into gods in the likeness of men .We walk by faith the unseen eternal. To attribute the work of God to any man is to blaspheme the Holy name we are called by
And there they preached the gospel.And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,Acts 14:7-14
The signs that follow after or follow the finished work of Christ working in us are metaphors in that parable .A new tongue as desire to preach the gospel. The word of God a antidote against the poison of false prophecy and false apostles.
Signs that follow not signs that confirm .
For instance.
Sign that follows ."You have just left the city of Chicago limit" .
Sign that confirm ."You have entered the city of Chicago ".
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.17-20
Signs that follow have no power they show the power of the gospel was given. Leaping and walking by the faith that worked in him
Would you agree that Kenneth Hagin was a false teacher?
I think he may have even been a demoniac. And I really have a hard time with anyone who would think goofs like this are real Christian believers, let alone teachers. Notice the wild behavior amongst the audience. It all shames Christianity.
Notice this demonic behavior:
I think he may have even been a demoniac. And I really have a hard time with anyone who would think goofs like this are real Christian believers, let alone teachers. Notice the wild behavior amongst the audience. It all shames Christianity.
Notice this demonic behavior:
Ouch! no poking .Its only funny when two people are laughing .LOL
That reminds me of the foundation of the tongue doctrine . Faithless men mocking God with stammering lips . So he promises them with mocking lips they will be exposed to mankind a s those who hold to the tradition of men making His tradition "sola scriptura" The word of God without effect . In that way no man can serve two teaching masters.
I would think we would warn them. They who make all things written in the law and the prophets without effect would seem to be mocking God. Why make a sound and fall backward? Would it bring glory to the gospel? from faith to faith ?
The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”
So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.
In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”
But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”
When the people try to walk, they will "fall backwards". They will be defeated, trapped, and captured. Isaiah 28: 9-13
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That reminds me of the foundation of the tongue doctrine . Faithless men mocking God with stammering lips . So he promises them with mocking lips they will be exposed to mankind a s those who hold to the tradition of men making His tradition "sola scriptura" The word of God without effect . In that way no man can serve two teaching masters.
I would think we would warn them. They who make all things written in the law and the prophets without effect would seem to be mocking God. Why make a sound and fall backward? Would it bring glory to the gospel? from faith to faith ?
The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”
So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.
In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”
But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:
“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”
When the people try to walk, they will "fall backwards". They will be defeated, trapped, and captured. Isaiah 28: 9-13
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Here's where it seems like any sane person would realize that charismatic teaching is wrong.
There is not one single person who can do the same works as Jesus did when he walked on earth. It could apply to the Church as a whole in a limited manner. Or, perhaps what Jesus is saying is through union with Him, any miracle could be performed that corresponds with God's sovereign will. The problem is that God could simply perform the miracle himself without the person's involvement whatsoever.
By the way, my point regarding that Scripture is that you applied it to the WRONG EVENT. I will go back and re-post the question. Go back and research the inference you made.
There is not one single person who can do the same works as Jesus did when he walked on earth. It could apply to the Church as a whole in a limited manner. Or, perhaps what Jesus is saying is through union with Him, any miracle could be performed that corresponds with God's sovereign will. The problem is that God could simply perform the miracle himself without the person's involvement whatsoever.
By the way, my point regarding that Scripture is that you applied it to the WRONG EVENT. I will go back and re-post the question. Go back and research the inference you made.
Let's stick strictly with the topic of the gifts of healing, tongues, interpretation of tongues and prophecy.
I think you mentioned that there was proof of these gifts in the apostolic error up until the 3rd century.
If I am correct in your comments, then let me ask the following:
1. what evidence past the apostolic era?
2. what about between the third century until the 1800's?
If you point me to Montanists, they were heretical. Montanus said "I am the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit". What kind of nut says that?
I think you mentioned that there was proof of these gifts in the apostolic error up until the 3rd century.
If I am correct in your comments, then let me ask the following:
1. what evidence past the apostolic era?
2. what about between the third century until the 1800's?
If you point me to Montanists, they were heretical. Montanus said "I am the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit". What kind of nut says that?
By the way, to make your claim that the gifts of tongues, interpretation of tongues, healings, and prophesies continued unceasingly since Pentecost, what historical evidence or Scriptures can you present?
That is the real issue.
By the way, my faith is intact regardless of my opinion about charismatics and their claims. I believe Jesus died for my sins, and was resurrected the third day. I believe his sacrifice on the Cross paid my sin debt, and that I am living in union with him. This is true despite any charismatic claims. I believe the Church has been given the spiritual gifts that will bring them to the consummation at Jesus' return. I don't think babbling, and interpretation of babbling, and errant prophecies, and an individual healing someone matters in the least toward the achievement of the consummation of my faith. I am convinced that believers will die without receiving the end of their faith in this world, as Hebrews 11 teaches. Nothing a charismatic/Word of Faith/Pentecostal says about trivial gifts such as tongues, healings, and prophecies matters in the LEAST concerning my faith.
Instead, I view these claims as occasions for bragfests. Often these types are interested in proclaiming their spiritual superiority regarding these teachings. I have little regard for their false claims. Even more, I consider those claiming to be apostles and prophets to be LIARS.
That is the real issue.
By the way, my faith is intact regardless of my opinion about charismatics and their claims. I believe Jesus died for my sins, and was resurrected the third day. I believe his sacrifice on the Cross paid my sin debt, and that I am living in union with him. This is true despite any charismatic claims. I believe the Church has been given the spiritual gifts that will bring them to the consummation at Jesus' return. I don't think babbling, and interpretation of babbling, and errant prophecies, and an individual healing someone matters in the least toward the achievement of the consummation of my faith. I am convinced that believers will die without receiving the end of their faith in this world, as Hebrews 11 teaches. Nothing a charismatic/Word of Faith/Pentecostal says about trivial gifts such as tongues, healings, and prophecies matters in the LEAST concerning my faith.
Instead, I view these claims as occasions for bragfests. Often these types are interested in proclaiming their spiritual superiority regarding these teachings. I have little regard for their false claims. Even more, I consider those claiming to be apostles and prophets to be LIARS.
