Half-truths and false doctrine.
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Romans 10:9 -10 That if thou shalt CONFESS with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God raised Him from the dead,thou shalt be SAVED.
For with the HEART man believeth unto righteousness; and with the MOUTH confession is made unto salvation
verse 13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
For with the HEART man believeth unto righteousness; and with the MOUTH confession is made unto salvation
verse 13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
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How is Romans 10:9-10.. NOT a sinners prayer?
It's a sinner..
Talking with God...(that's alot of what prayer is)
Confessing their sin..
Believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ!
Most gospel tracts like The Four Spiritual Laws from Campus Crusade that have a sinners prayer are just putting into other words what Romans 10 and other verses like John 3:16 are saying.
That's my 2 cents
It's a sinner..
Talking with God...(that's alot of what prayer is)
Confessing their sin..
Believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ!
Most gospel tracts like The Four Spiritual Laws from Campus Crusade that have a sinners prayer are just putting into other words what Romans 10 and other verses like John 3:16 are saying.
That's my 2 cents
Yes he must give a person his faith that works in us as a labor of His love. Then having the power working in us can we confess .
Just as did the Son of man who also did the will of the father that worked in his earthen body of death (walk by faith)
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
This work he works in us is before they can accept he has performed a miracle in them. A good work that he promises to work in us, with us till the end. .(Philippians 1:6)
Why do you think Jesus said in respect to born again "marvel not" ? How could anyone not marvel that for the assurance our trespasses he did pay. . . to as many as the father gave Him ?
Is he against wonderment's as signs ?
Is believing different than wondering, marveling ? Is it considered faith ?
When he comes on the last day we he find wondering or faith ?
Just as did the Son of man who also did the will of the father that worked in his earthen body of death (walk by faith)
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
This work he works in us is before they can accept he has performed a miracle in them. A good work that he promises to work in us, with us till the end. .(Philippians 1:6)
Why do you think Jesus said in respect to born again "marvel not" ? How could anyone not marvel that for the assurance our trespasses he did pay. . . to as many as the father gave Him ?
Is he against wonderment's as signs ?
Is believing different than wondering, marveling ? Is it considered faith ?
When he comes on the last day we he find wondering or faith ?
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14meatcc is correct, the sinners prayer for salvation does not exist anywhere in the Bible and simply saying the sinners prayer of salvation means nothing without a fundamental in a persons heart. Scripture proves that simply calling on the name of Jesus does nothing.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The Sinner's Prayer (also called the Consecration Prayer and Salvation Prayer) is an evangelical Christian term referring to any prayer of repentance, prayed by individuals who feel convicted of the presence of sin in their lives and have the desire to form or renew a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It is a popular phenomenon in evangelical circles. It is not intended as liturgical like a creed or a confiteor, but rather, is intended to be an act of initial conversion to Christianity. While some Christians see reciting the sinner's prayer as the moment defining one's salvation, others see it as a beginning step of one's lifelong faith journey.
The "Sinner’s Prayer" takes various forms, all of which have the same general thrust. Since it is considered a matter of one's personal will, it can be prayed silently, aloud, read from a suggested model, or repeated after someone modeling the prayer role. There is no formula of specific words considered essential, although it usually contains an admission of sin and a petition asking that Jesus enter into the person's heart (that is to say, the center of their life). The use of the sinner's prayer is common within some Protestant denominations, such as Baptist Churches and Methodist Churches, as well as in movements that span several denominations, including evangelical, fundamental, and charismatic Christianity. It has also been used, though not as widely, by some Anglicans, Lutherans, and Roman Catholics. It is sometimes uttered by Christians seeking redemption or reaffirming their faith in Christ during a crisis or disaster, when death may be imminent.
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The "Sinner’s Prayer" is not without its critics. Because no such prayer or conversion is found in the Bible, some biblical scholars have even labeled the sinner's prayer a "cataract of nonsense" and an "apostasy". David Platt has raised questions over the authenticity of the conversions of people using the sinner's prayer based on research by George Barna.
The only thing that matters in the eyes of Christ is the condition of the heart of those who earnestly ask for forgiveness for their sins and repent.
When Philip talked to the Ethiopian and the Ethiopian was baptized and saved Scripture does no record any kind of sinners prayer and in Acts 8:37 Philip ties being saved to the condition of the Ethiopian's heart before the Ethiopian could be baptized
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Personnally for me I said the sinners prayer because I was told those were the words I should speak before I could be saved. So I said the words, went down into the water and when I came up out of the water I was filled with the Holy Spirit and I loved everybody. But it was the condition of my heart that got me saved. Not the sinner's prayer.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The Sinner's Prayer (also called the Consecration Prayer and Salvation Prayer) is an evangelical Christian term referring to any prayer of repentance, prayed by individuals who feel convicted of the presence of sin in their lives and have the desire to form or renew a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It is a popular phenomenon in evangelical circles. It is not intended as liturgical like a creed or a confiteor, but rather, is intended to be an act of initial conversion to Christianity. While some Christians see reciting the sinner's prayer as the moment defining one's salvation, others see it as a beginning step of one's lifelong faith journey.
The "Sinner’s Prayer" takes various forms, all of which have the same general thrust. Since it is considered a matter of one's personal will, it can be prayed silently, aloud, read from a suggested model, or repeated after someone modeling the prayer role. There is no formula of specific words considered essential, although it usually contains an admission of sin and a petition asking that Jesus enter into the person's heart (that is to say, the center of their life). The use of the sinner's prayer is common within some Protestant denominations, such as Baptist Churches and Methodist Churches, as well as in movements that span several denominations, including evangelical, fundamental, and charismatic Christianity. It has also been used, though not as widely, by some Anglicans, Lutherans, and Roman Catholics. It is sometimes uttered by Christians seeking redemption or reaffirming their faith in Christ during a crisis or disaster, when death may be imminent.
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The "Sinner’s Prayer" is not without its critics. Because no such prayer or conversion is found in the Bible, some biblical scholars have even labeled the sinner's prayer a "cataract of nonsense" and an "apostasy". David Platt has raised questions over the authenticity of the conversions of people using the sinner's prayer based on research by George Barna.
The only thing that matters in the eyes of Christ is the condition of the heart of those who earnestly ask for forgiveness for their sins and repent.
When Philip talked to the Ethiopian and the Ethiopian was baptized and saved Scripture does no record any kind of sinners prayer and in Acts 8:37 Philip ties being saved to the condition of the Ethiopian's heart before the Ethiopian could be baptized
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Personnally for me I said the sinners prayer because I was told those were the words I should speak before I could be saved. So I said the words, went down into the water and when I came up out of the water I was filled with the Holy Spirit and I loved everybody. But it was the condition of my heart that got me saved. Not the sinner's prayer.
Yes. How can we hear Him not seen? He calls it "this manner ". Our unseen father in heaven. The manner that the Son of man, Jesus displayed to the world
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mathew 6: 9
He who sees our secrets moves us to the closet. . . we pray without ceasing .
In that way we do not bring Christ down to our level as if he was a man as us . He calls us up . Like Lazarus "rise" and instructs the believer to aid in removing the grave clothes which is loving our brothers and sisters as Jesus loved the father, eating the food of His will. . . . . . . strengthening feeble hearts to finish it.
It is one of those oral traditions that could be used safely and not quench the Holy Spirit . By not making it into a self edifying work.(a form of Paganism walking by sight.)
A tradition the congregation would be made aware of that it is not a sign to "themselves". . but to the world. Sort of like the water baptism today . If a person is being drawn by the father. God can sort that out the purpose of water baptism, a old testament foundation.Any time later . We are not saved by a work of self edification. We have the witness in us. Not of us. lest any man boast in false pride .
Need a salvation date .. create one . Just call it your birthday
A tradition the congregation would be made aware of that it is not a sign to "themselves". . but to the world. Sort of like the water baptism today . If a person is being drawn by the father. God can sort that out the purpose of water baptism, a old testament foundation.Any time later . We are not saved by a work of self edification. We have the witness in us. Not of us. lest any man boast in false pride .
Need a salvation date .. create one . Just call it your birthday
Remember Paul is addressing the Israelites here. His kinsmen. He's explaining to them that it's faith and not the working of the law. He is meticulously trying to fill old wineskins with new wine without destroying their belief totally. Israel are promised eternal life in the old testament. That still stands, and will continue to for God is not a liar. He is basically explaining the works of the spirit of God in man. Confessing with the mouth is not just a statement you voice for salvation, but a proclamation welling up from the spirit of truth that CHRIST IS KING! And we all know that only god can change the heart concerning belief. Paul is speaking post holy spirit intervention not pre. Go back to chapter 8 and read it slowly and see if you see what I see. I'm not being negative here so please don't think I am. God bless you.
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referring 2 rom 10:9-10 the jews in the roman church at that time were being persecuted by the romans and being forced 2 give up Christ and pledge allegiance 2 who ever was ruling rome at the time I think it was nero and if they didn't they would face imprisonment that's wat hes referring 2, to confess that jesus is lord and you shall be saved despite all the pressures!!